Phoenix RISING
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[Up] James Gunn fired for racism, jokes about rape and pedophilia
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In this post: teenagers are like 30 year olds.
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
What theatrics? Isn't that exactly what happened?
I think Disney went too far, but it's Disney.
If he goes to DC, it might actually work out for the best. He could definitely turn the DCU around.
Airola
Member
It can be both though. Even if he was a pedophile and a child molester and his jokes would be a reflection of that, it's not the jokes that would be the crime there. The jokes would still be jokes. No court would use the jokes to put more years to the jail time.
If you are a murderer and you write jokes about death and murder, they would still be jokes and not crimes.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
Pizzagater, huh? You a Sandy Hook Hoaxer, too?
KevinKeene
Banned
Ted Cruz just tweet Gunn's deleted Tweet.
Gunn career is done.
This is what fascism looks like. A government member publically suspecting someone of child rape AND accusing him also of 'unacceptable' humor, as if that was a thing.
Fuck this.
Someone needs to ask Ted Cruz *now* if he'll support the ban of South Park. If not, he supports child rape, anti-semitism, racism, sexism, etc.. Because that's how it works, huh?
:/
Airola
Member
I'm afraid the bitter people on the right want to continue having a revenge in the form of "look what you did to us, now we're gonna do that to you, how does that feel you leftist shit!"
I mean, I also think this HAS to be the straw, but as long as people on right want to teach a lesson to the left by using the same tactics the left has used, the camel will continue walking with a strong back.
Teletraan1
Banned
Perhaps Mr Gunn should have read 12 Rules for Life. Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world. Pretty apt and ironic with how him going after Peterson's bud Ben Shapiro got the ball rolling on this shitshow.
BraveOne
Member
Ted Cruz just tweet Gunn's deleted Tweet.
Gunn career is done.
When Ted Cruz calls you out of all people you done fucked up
The same Ted Cruz who endorsed accused pedophile Roy Moore?
It's Jeff
Banned
Sometimes better. When I was teaching in my 20's, wordplay and witty observations were the gold standard of comedy. Put 22 English teachers in an office together - it's to be expected.
I'm in my 30's now and work for middle aged millionaires who make dick and fart jokes all day. Gay as a pejorative? Every day and twice on Sunday. Ethnic slurs? You bet! And the dehumanizing jokes about women? Yeah, that too.
Turns out people develop differently, at different ages, based mostly the company they keep.
Yeah, 30 year olds are teenagers sometimes. Sometimes teenagers are adults. A high school student once tried to stump me by asking my favorite Shakespeare critic. This 17 year old girl toting an illegal handgun because of her fears from working at the pizzeria has a sophisticated sense of humor beyond most educated people twice her age.
Is it odd to me that Gunn was trying for egdy, offensive comedy in his thirties? Not really. Seen it. Seen worse from men in their 50's earlier this morning. They're just adolescents with more important jobs. Looks like Gunn owned it and grew up. I think it's admirable, really.
DESTROYA
Member
I’m pretty sure Disney new about his history and he apologized for them from years back. The jokes were in poor taste and often not funny.
But today it’s not OK after even after Gunn made a shitload of money for them?
What a bunch of hypocrites Disney is.
Just shows me another reason why I really hate social media as a whole.
But today it’s not OK after even after Gunn made a shitload of money for them?
What a bunch of hypocrites Disney is.
Just shows me another reason why I really hate social media as a whole.
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Cybrwzrd
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I hope by the 2020's the moralizing rod people have rammed up their ass this decade can finally be extracted, it is in so deep that not only are people tasting their own shit but it is affecting their brains now.
What is going to get someone fired next, dead baby jokes?
How do you stop a baby from crawling around in circles?
Nail it’s other hand to the floor
What is going to get someone fired next, dead baby jokes?
How do you stop a baby from crawling around in circles?
Nail it’s other hand to the floor
Fine, call me a hypocrite.
This logic that conservatives need to allow liberals to fucking do whatever, and never fight back is just bizaare. Conservatives didn't make these rules. Liberals, like James Gunn, did.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You sir, are not on "The Right Side of History™", duh!
Makariel
Member
There is also another saying, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
What a fucking idiot.
Pumpkin Seeds
Member
As to the tactics of war debate going on here:
I think what you're dealing with is the behavior that was common among women in high school. It's the tactics of female bullying. It's based on social outcasting, isolating and gossip. There was never a response developed for this and it's easy as hell to do online due to the nature of social media. So we get rampant female bullying tactics being used by all sorts of people.
"We're going to do it, too." is a response based out of exhaustion and the idea there is no alternative. We don't know how to curtail these tactics.
Theoretically, since these tactics all rely on social capital, then you take away the offending party's social capital. I guess people don't see that or don't see how to rob the people of social capital.
I think what you're dealing with is the behavior that was common among women in high school. It's the tactics of female bullying. It's based on social outcasting, isolating and gossip. There was never a response developed for this and it's easy as hell to do online due to the nature of social media. So we get rampant female bullying tactics being used by all sorts of people.
"We're going to do it, too." is a response based out of exhaustion and the idea there is no alternative. We don't know how to curtail these tactics.
Theoretically, since these tactics all rely on social capital, then you take away the offending party's social capital. I guess people don't see that or don't see how to rob the people of social capital.
Cybrwzrd
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The deepest of irony comes with that tweet. Any of you so called "progressives" who are happy that he was fired for stupid 10 year old tweets are either right wing trolls or so far up your own asses that you see out your bellybutton.
The right is going to utilize your outrage culture and tear you apart, they are better at moralizing than you, and they have a lot more experience with witch hunts.
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AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I hate the fact that social media is used to carry out witch hunts and get people fired. People should just not post anything because when the zeitgeist moves you will be judged by your past and crucified. Shame on Disney for bending to right wing faux outrage. They knew about these things when they hired him.
Helios
Member
Now you've done it, the mouse's coming for you.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
What's the worst thing about locking your keys in your car in front of an abortion clinic?
Having to go in to ask for a coat hanger.
Sakura Doritos
Member
Is this revisionist history? Cruz pulled his support based on the allegation.
Phoenix RISING
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I spent 10 years of my life in academia hanging around English departments around everywhere but the flyover states and never encountered one that that you describe.
Cybrwzrd
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You must have never been invited to the parties. Teachers are some of the darkest humored and most debauched alcoholics on the planet, right behind flight attendants and food service workers.
Panda1
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Call him a Nazi too , that will teach him to have a different opinion!! Maybe Islamophobia too- go for the combo
Phoenix RISING
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Social gatherings to discuss how intellectually inferior everyone else is was practically the only time any of us emerged from our libraries to socalize.
Alcoholic, yes. Dark humor? Not really. Condescending? I learned from the best of them.
The fact that they caught a ban is an indictment both upon them and you defending what they had to say.
Keep it up and you won't be long, either.
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Cybrwzrd
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I see so you were the life of the party, cause talking about how much smarter you are then everyone else is such an admirable trait.
I dunno, where I come from those people are called douchebags and are the ones left in the library while everyone else is doing shots out of stripper's bellybuttons.
DeepEnigma
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Moderator 10
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Moderation: People, SERIOUSLY, please let's not start with the personal attacks. Let's just limit to present our positions in regards to the topic.
Again, please remain civil and let's get this thing on course.
Let's not read too much into it. Sadly, Enygger_Tzu said, had to get a temporary ban because we don't think any of the users here is defending pedophilia. It was rather unfair on this user's part to even imply that.
Again, please remain civil and let's get this thing on course.
Phoenix RISING
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For those concerned about guardians:
guggnichso
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Dude, the link he shared had „pizzagate“ right in the url, the „article“ had #pizzagate and #Qanon as hashtags. At least TRY to be less obvious.
Panda1
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I see so you were the life of the party, cause talking about how much smarter you are then everyone else is such an admirable trait.
I dunno, where I come from those people are called douchebags and are the ones left in the library while everyone else is doing shots out of stripper's bellybuttons.
there is a VAST middle in between your extreme views
Taika has a lot of projects on his plate, so if he was gonna do Guardians 3, it wouldnt' happen until in a few years.
guggnichso
Banned
Listen to all these horrible things Gunn says during the opening to "Tales of the Crapper". He discusses how he sacrificed a child to Satan to become successful and how he passes his secretary around. He's clearly not making jokes here.
Yep. People should google „Troma“ once in a while and discover a shitload of movies for themselves
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
First of all, if you're a public figure, if you want to have a Twitter account, then don't post dumb shit. And if you have a Twitter account before you become popular, and then become a public figure, then go and delete your dumb tweets before you do. It should be known there are nutjobs who will comb through your history looking for dumb stuff you said to try to destroy you because they have no life. How the hell hasn't anyone caught onto this yet? Especially if you're rich. Just hire someone to do it for you.
I don't think any of these people should lose their jobs for things they said many years ago, but if their companies think it'll be bad for business, then I guess they feel they need to do it. Me personally, I think most of these situations would be forgotten about in a week when the outrage police move on to the next thing they are pissed off about. The best way to handle these things IMO is to not address it at all. Don't do anything. The longer you keep it in the news, the longer it's a story. Just bunker down and wait it out. People will forget about it. They always do.
But I think it's funny how we judge people today. I think nuance is lost on how we judge other humans. We hold them up to a ridiculous standard. Everyone has skeletons in the closet. Everyone has said things in their past others may find rude or offensive or mean. Everyone has beliefs or opinions that some people would find inappropriate or offensive or wrong. And if you say you don't, you're full of shit. I love how when people try to defend a person, the mob always goes "But this person said this one time and another time they said that, and another time they said this!" That doesn't make one a "bad person." I feel as long as you do more good than bad and contribute more good to society and to your fellow man than you do otherwise makes you a good person. Now that doesn't mean you deserve some nobility award or are the ultimate role model, but you can still be a good person.
If you know a person who donates regularly to charity, and is always there for anyone who needs his help, is kind to people, a genuine caring person, say they yearly help out the homeless and deliver them food as a good gesture.... BUT they believe being transgender is wrong and unnatural. They do a ton of great stuff, contribute to society in a positive way, but have this one belief... does that make them a bad person? I don't think so. It makes them an imperfect person. It makes them a flawed person. But I think the overall "package" you get with that person makes them generally good and positive influence on society. However, in 2018, the mob will try to paint that person as some awful man regardless of the other positive things he's done. They expect you to have no skeletons, be totally perfect, and your biggest flaw to be a parking ticket. You can't have any biases(now or in the past) you can't have any questions about controversial topics or you're some "EVIL" man. I hear the word evil thrown around a lot today over people who are the farthest thing from "evil." John Wayne Gacy was evil. Get some perspective.
I think if we start holding people to realistic standards, stop expecting people to have no biases, and understand all people are flawed, we wouldn't paint people into these weird categories of being "good" and "bad" and the people wouldn't be vilified at the rate they are now.
I don't think any of these people should lose their jobs for things they said many years ago, but if their companies think it'll be bad for business, then I guess they feel they need to do it. Me personally, I think most of these situations would be forgotten about in a week when the outrage police move on to the next thing they are pissed off about. The best way to handle these things IMO is to not address it at all. Don't do anything. The longer you keep it in the news, the longer it's a story. Just bunker down and wait it out. People will forget about it. They always do.
But I think it's funny how we judge people today. I think nuance is lost on how we judge other humans. We hold them up to a ridiculous standard. Everyone has skeletons in the closet. Everyone has said things in their past others may find rude or offensive or mean. Everyone has beliefs or opinions that some people would find inappropriate or offensive or wrong. And if you say you don't, you're full of shit. I love how when people try to defend a person, the mob always goes "But this person said this one time and another time they said that, and another time they said this!" That doesn't make one a "bad person." I feel as long as you do more good than bad and contribute more good to society and to your fellow man than you do otherwise makes you a good person. Now that doesn't mean you deserve some nobility award or are the ultimate role model, but you can still be a good person.
If you know a person who donates regularly to charity, and is always there for anyone who needs his help, is kind to people, a genuine caring person, say they yearly help out the homeless and deliver them food as a good gesture.... BUT they believe being transgender is wrong and unnatural. They do a ton of great stuff, contribute to society in a positive way, but have this one belief... does that make them a bad person? I don't think so. It makes them an imperfect person. It makes them a flawed person. But I think the overall "package" you get with that person makes them generally good and positive influence on society. However, in 2018, the mob will try to paint that person as some awful man regardless of the other positive things he's done. They expect you to have no skeletons, be totally perfect, and your biggest flaw to be a parking ticket. You can't have any biases(now or in the past) you can't have any questions about controversial topics or you're some "EVIL" man. I hear the word evil thrown around a lot today over people who are the farthest thing from "evil." John Wayne Gacy was evil. Get some perspective.
I think if we start holding people to realistic standards, stop expecting people to have no biases, and understand all people are flawed, we wouldn't paint people into these weird categories of being "good" and "bad" and the people wouldn't be vilified at the rate they are now.
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pramod
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This "both sides" thing you are describing is a pretty recent development. The fact is, the left has been using "mob outrage" tactics against Conservative politicians for decades or more. It's only just recently due to the internet and Twitter that the right finally has the ability to use these weapons against the left as well. So it's the left that has started this and it's up to them to fix the mess they've created.
Cybrwzrd
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Looks like they are now going after Patton Oswalt and Johnny Depp
The right goes for Patton Oswalt
the left for Depp.
Oh man this will be a slaughterfield in the next few weeks.
The only ones standing will be Tom Hanks, Keanu Reeves, Steve Buscemi and Oprah when the dust could fades.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Don't think they'll get a result there. This one only worked because it was Disney.
guggnichso
Banned
Well, Depp has some chance to work, as it’s also Disney, however he‘s to drunk to use Twitter and has always a life support line with Tim Burton.
It’s a shitshow all around. The world would be a vastly better place all around if someone just nuked Twitter.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I think the fact that there are "sides" to begin with is part of the problem. We are all the same at our core. We all want a good job, make good money, start a family, find someone to love and care for, have some fun on the weekends, enjoy a good vacation once in a while, get a decent home and a decent car. We all play for the same team, this tribalism we've evolved into is just so asinine. Everyone taking sides and hating the people on the other team. One day we're gonna look back on it and realize how stupid it was just like the 2pac and Biggie(West vs East coast) bullshit from years ago.
Just look at people fairly, realistically, and treat people well and most of these problems would go away. But that's too much to ask right now. Everyone looks for the bad in another instead of good. Everyone is looking to "own" another instead of understand or forgive.
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Airola
Member
So burning houses is awful and it's the fault of [insert a group here] but you don't mind watching more houses burn as long as it hurts [insert the previous group here]?
If you were against the idiocy that is now happening it's also up to you to stay consistent and defend even those you don't like if they get affected by the things you have been against.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
True but afaik Depp hasn't been caught making jokes about fucking kids. I think the pedo stuff is specifically the thing that made them act.