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Xbox Scarlett – why the next Xbox is going to be huge.
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autoduelist
Member
"It also makes it sound like Xbox is well ahead of PlayStation in the race to bring out its next console."
This sentence is so off putting. It is not a race to put out a console first. If it were, either company could easily could have put one out last year, let alone this year, let alone next year. It's not a race to be first. It's about being well timed. It's about picking a perfect point in time that takes into account consumer desire, consumer expectations, current sales, shifts in technology, the economy, cultural trends, seasonal sales, predicted actions of your competitors, and far more.
anyone who calls it a race and then predicts the winner based on internet rumors doesn't really know what they're talking about.
This sentence is so off putting. It is not a race to put out a console first. If it were, either company could easily could have put one out last year, let alone this year, let alone next year. It's not a race to be first. It's about being well timed. It's about picking a perfect point in time that takes into account consumer desire, consumer expectations, current sales, shifts in technology, the economy, cultural trends, seasonal sales, predicted actions of your competitors, and far more.
anyone who calls it a race and then predicts the winner based on internet rumors doesn't really know what they're talking about.
It's hilarious how you do this. Boost mode came out before the X1X was actually even a thing = 'took them ages'. PS3 had complete FULL PS2 and PS1 backwards compatibility compared to the hit and miss BC that was the 360 = 'that's the diiference between the companies'. What's the difference exactly?
You talk about 'proprietary nonsense' but the 360 was the one with proprietary nonsense. Proprietary HDD, proprietary Memory cards, proprietary wifi card. Proprietary wireless headsets.
What you call proprietary nonsense is probably referring to the CELL and that was just as proprietary as Xenon in the 360. In fact the money sony invested in IBM for Cell was helping develop Xenon at IBM. What you actually mean by 'proprietary nonsense' is I assume just 'ease in development'. Sonys mistakes during that gen was that they went for full parallelism in a world where that hadn't fully taken off yet in development. Now it has. The other mistake was that they had a split memory pool. What the 360 taught sony is that they should make it easier to port games to a console coming out a year later because that extra cost in development will make a lot of devs not bother or produce inferior ports for a smaller install base.
This is different to 'proprietary nonsense' because the consoles were both as proprietary as eachother and both proprietary to IBM/Sony/MS.
When you talk about actual proprietary nonsense you would see the PS3 was one of the most open platforms. Standard HDD, Bluetooth wireless headsets, USB or SD Card memory support.
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Gameboy? Nintendo DS?
what happened to gamecube, N64? This is some crazy revisionist history shit right here.
Lort
Banned
That is what wikipedia says. If your favourite console is not listed in the top few take it up with them i guess.
TLZ
Banned
That is not how that happened. As much as the 360 was cool, PS3 "suffered" because of its price. That is all. It paved the way for 360 to move in. Source, Xbox top execs at the time. Moore I think? It was a hallelujah moment to them once that price was announced.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
What's more hilarious, you being here defending Sony or you just being here in another Xbox topic?
Developers did not like working in the PS3, you don't understand the context? Shall we get into hardware and value and talk about the PS2 and its expensive hard drive just to play Final Fantasy or its added costs for memory cards or its 4 player support add on? The PS3 came out later so you excuse Sony's incompetent engineers for the PS4 Pro but don't see the PS3 coming out later and more expensive as the same? The original Xbox cost the same as a PS2 and had way more features. Do you honestly want to get into hardware value?
What I was saying is the PS4 is finally a system that yes, is easy to port and easy to work on. Thank the Xbox 360 for them finally making a system developers like and not a system designed to work on the hardware exclusively and hard to port.
Microsoft is preparing themselves nicely for next gen and yet you guys just stay in your comfort zone. So yes it is indeed hilarious.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
TLZ
Banned
I'm looking forward to the next gen announcements and how they pan out. I'm hoping both of them learned from their past blunders and never repeat it, so we get to see them going at it properly. No more price excuses, no more Kinect like stuff. None of that.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
People should not take it as a mission to police Xbox threads to look for positivity and quell it down... that would be bad and wrong, but they are public forums and saying inflammatory things on some and shitting on others... “shit product” “incompetent engineers” etc... not addressing points that the other poster has made and focused on this trove of posters on a mission to make Xbox look bad... well, that may bring discussion forth.
It is understandable that you like MS products, but sometimes this seems going overboard where one side did everything right and the other everything wrong and when something seems right is just thanks to the former... grasping at the FFXI game + HDD + Network Adapter kit to talk PS2 value down... well...
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Let me quote you:
Sure if PS2 was competing with gameboy then using a list like that would make sense but we all know PS1 was competing with N64, PS2 was competing with Gamecube, etc. Listing anything else is just being disingenuous at best.
I won't even bother replying to Louis because that always just leads me to him saying 'why are you even in the thread if you're not saying something nice about xbox' every single time.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
If you put any kind of stock into what this guy says:
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I have a PS3 and no Xbox. It is not a matter of preference but the continuous trolling is evident. I certainly don't hate Sony products since I have owned every one of their consoles aside from the PS4. It is their legion of fans that have a lot to be desired. Whom I might add constantly view Microsoft as their enemy because they both sell similar boxes.
As far as policing the forums tell me again who came running in to respond to what I said about Sony?
I already addressed his points by pointing out both companies have offered better hardware at various times but it is Sony who was always determined to engineer products that only benefit them. Developers had a tough time with the Emotion Engine and the Cell so porting was purposely made difficult.
Once the Xbox 360 dominated the USA market Sony took a backseat to lead development. That is why the PS4 was finally a breath of fresh air and Sony stopped the nonsense.
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Louis Cyphre
Banned
The day you say something positive is the day I will take you seriously in being interested in what they do. Instead you're just here to monitor making sure Sony is not being unfairly represented,all while being as pessimist as possible towards the Xbox.
Says the guy backseat modding xbox threads for positivity. The day you can argue a point is the day I might care if you take me seriously or not.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Says the guy coming into another Xbox thread to defend his favorite company. Says also the same guy backseat modding other threads as well like the PS4 Pro topic and going after anyone who criticizes it. Shall we go on?
The day you actually show interest in the Xbox is the day anyone will take you seriously.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'm not entirely sure that's the case. Simple reason is that none of the Xbox line has ever done that badly in its core NA market. Even the OG Xbox did reasonably well in the US, its the rest of the world where Sony really dominates.
The thing is, even with Japan's rapid decline as major market for console games (which is part of the reason why I prefer to treat handhelds and home-boxes as separate entities for discussion purposes), the global market is growing faster than the core Anglophone markets which are so important to Xbox.
Speak for yourself because you see yourself too highly. You are a previously banned and demoted member and where you think I can visit or what my interests are does not bother me one bit. You are not a mod. This is just more of your pathetic backseat modding again.
How exactly have I backseat modded the the Ps4 pro topic? Have I suggested that anyone who isn't interested in the Ps4 pro shouldn't be in a voting thread like you did in the polls and are doing yet again here? or that anyone who hasn't said anything positive should not be taken seriously? So yes do go on if you can actually argue a point beyond 'do you like xbox if not what are you doing here' like you always do.
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Louis Cyphre
Banned
Lol, you are policing that thread just like you are here. The only reason you started was because you didn't like my comments about the engineers at Sony. Just more proof you have no interest in Scarlett which is apparently what this topic is supposed to be about.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Microsoft is definitely getting in their bag for next gen. Of this much I'm sure.
I'm policing it am I? Sure I'll stoop to your pathetic level. The thread is called "how would you rate your PS4 pro". Can I kindly ask you not to visit that thread going by your stupid standard? Because not only do you not own a PS4 Pro so what are you doing in it but you have no interest in owning a PS4 Pro. Am I doing it right?
Get lost
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No matter how powerful Scarlett is with the best BC, Game Pass, EA Access etc...... I don't really see any PS or Xbox consoles really wowing gamers anymore. Ya games will look better and you'll get some new awesome IPs, but I don't see gaming changing that much in the past 10 years.
Now if the next PS or XBox can get Steam as part of the ecosystem and get lots of games being cross play and PS/Xbox compatible as devs put in the extra effort to work on consoles, now that would be bigger news than knowing if PS Pro 2 or Xbox Eight has an extra gig of ram or not.
Now if the next PS or XBox can get Steam as part of the ecosystem and get lots of games being cross play and PS/Xbox compatible as devs put in the extra effort to work on consoles, now that would be bigger news than knowing if PS Pro 2 or Xbox Eight has an extra gig of ram or not.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I totally agree how much more can next gen really impress the mass market?
Since by far the majority still play on 1080p displays what more can next gen do to offer those playing on non 4k displays?
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Diminishing returns, I believe, has been a term thrown around by both sides of fanboy arguments. However, next gen, I think, it will be true no matter what system is prefered, whether Xbox, Playstation, or PC. There's only so many polys, shading, effects, and lighting you can throw at something until it basically comes down to art direction. I think the biggest leap will be in non-visuals like AI and frame rates. Even with the Ray Tracing that gives better reflections is nice, but it doesn't really advance the look of the game as a whole. I think we'll be seeing a generation where the GPU will rarely get pushed to it's full potential. Unless they decide to try and push 8k, which would be a complete waste. 4k should be the end all resolution for quite a while.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good luck with AI.
I've been waiting for better AI from enemies, NPC and bosses like everyone else for 30+ years of gaming.
I don't think the typical non-player character has improved in AI since the 90s. As crazy as it sounds I think the best improvements in AI have come from sports and shooters. Who fucking knew better AI (IMO) would come from annualized games milking gamer dollars to the bone.
99% of extra cpu and gpu power seems to go straight to the graphics department where they can use the latest Turbo Charged Ryzan CPU with 1024 hexagonal quasar cooled pipleline so those 3 graphic artists can render snot with the greenest slime and nostril lighting.
Thanks devs for the great use of computing power which is probably 1,000x more powerful than a Pentium 50 hz with a voodoo 3 card, but it goes to resolution and hair effects.
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Kerotan
Member
PS NOW brings in way more revenue then gamepass. Check out the latest financials. And that's without Sony heavily pushing it or launching it in many countries where playstation is strong. They also haven't got many games on it yet from the ps4 or that you can download. Mega potential for the service that already dwarfs gamepass.
They don't do BC now because it isn't easy with the ps3. Ps5 will most likely be fully ps4 BC and that will be a big PR move for Sony.
PS4 is dominating xbox so much now WW it's crazy. The gap between the 2 brands is going to widen even more in 2019 and 2020. If Sony play their ps5 cards right they will dominate next gen too.
Ultimately games win the consumers and this year and next Sony have the exclusives.
Kerotan
Member
Yeah when 4k 120fps is the console standard they should go for 8k. But until then no more.
BANGS
Banned
I never said exclusives are the singular one and only factor in a console's success, I'm just saying it's a much bigger factor than some here would like to downplay...
I agree with you. Nowadays it is not so popular and as you mantioned Playstation covered all requests.
Thiagosc777
Member
It's the reality, and not downplaying. The only people who care about "exclusives" are fanboys, not the average gamer.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Spiderman proves you dead wrong.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Pretty easy to see why that fails to rebutt my point.
1. How much can you really tell from a top 10 list from a single territory (NBA sales outside NA are tiny, Conversely FIFA sales are huge elsewhere) especially when most of the listed titles are drawn from the same franchises? Very little, truthfully. Lets see a top 30, or better 50 by way of comparison with actual unit figures.
2. The only salient thing on the list is GOW which manages to hit #7 despite only 6 months on the market, indicating its a remarkably successful exclusive. By comparison Halo 5 only made 8 on the Xbox list after 3 years.
3. Specifically relating to Spiderman, after no more than a month on sale, and with holiday sales/bundles uncounted, no surprise its not yet on the list. (Mat Piscatella I believe commented it barely missed as it stands) but I'd suspect it'll comfortably outsell GoW in time. Particularly globally.
Thiagosc777
Member
That's the reality.
Spider-Man sells because it is a popular Marvel franchise tied to The Avengers and many sucessful movies. Not because it is exclusive. If it were on Xbox or Nintendo, it'd sell just as well.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
You aren't proving anything!
First of all whether the IP is owned by the platform holder or not, its all about the product and its effect as an exclusive offering on the platform in question.
This is partly why some of us are luke-warm on MS recent acquisitions as sales boosters; they are buying talent but not blue-chip IP.
Secondly, and this is far and away the most important aspect: If a platform has no major third-party support then obviously its highly DEPENDANT on its exclusive IP if it wishes to succeed. This has been Nintendo's position historically, and guess what... its worked out well for them.
However if a platform does have its share of market leading third-party product, then the effect of exclusives is ADDITIVE , which covers an untold number of sales for software, services, and hardware.
Thiagosc777
Member
Most people don't care about this nonsense. All they want play is COD, Fifa, GTA, etc.
AlexxKidd
Member
Lol poor Louis. Hoisted with his own petard.
BANGS
Banned
Aaaaaand we've come full circle, I'm not going to re-explain why you're so wrong...
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Explain Wii to me then.
Thiagosc777
Member
Wii was a system sold on a gimmick for people who don't know anything about games. Not comparable. The PS4 sold well years before it got good exclusives, not because of them.
Kenpachii
Member
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1) gamepass is on pc
2) scarlet exclusives, pretty sure they release everything on PC now also, so no exclusives there.
3) My pc is already here, so no first to market.
4) Pretty sure PC is more accessable then a xbox
5) BC pc is king of BC.
Pretty sure people will just opt for playstation as it has exclusives that you can't get on PC, or go PC route or both.
The only way people will move to microsoft console is if it offers a lot more bank for value then the competition.
1) gamepass is on pc
2) scarlet exclusives, pretty sure they release everything on PC now also, so no exclusives there.
3) My pc is already here, so no first to market.
4) Pretty sure PC is more accessable then a xbox
5) BC pc is king of BC.
Pretty sure people will just opt for playstation as it has exclusives that you can't get on PC, or go PC route or both.
The only way people will move to microsoft console is if it offers a lot more bank for value then the competition.
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Thiagosc777
Member
Console gamers don't want to play on the PC. That's not an option.
Afro Republican
Banned
It wasn't just the price, Xbox got those PC devs from the first Xbox to release exclusives full or timed on the Xbox 360 for 1-3 years before they ended up on the PS3, if at all. This gave Xbox 360 the better library and led to it outselling the PS3 in 2007.
What's more is if it wasn't for Kinect PS3 may have been about 5-8 million units ahead. Because in 2011 the 360 outsold the PS3 as well.
Afro Republican
Banned
It's been years since the 360 came out and people still think the PC market overlaps the Xbox market?
MS certainly has a chance at making their next system the leader in market share, but right now is not a good time to be making such predictions. Sony is crushing it this past 7-8 days and has been vastly outselling Xbox all generation. With that backdrop this seems more like marketing than realistic predicting. And some of the arguments are almost silly at this juncture. For example - MS has been buying up developers recently, but haven't they always been doing this kind of thing (and/or getting exclusive deals) with very little to show to date? From my vantage point MS seems to know who to target, but then gets the ball and practically scores in their opponents goal with what they green light for these new companies to make. Sorry, not sorry, but Fable, Crackdown, Sea of Thieves, etc., etc., do not hold a candle to games like Spiderman and Last of Us.
Two things mentioned do have water though. First to market will be a strong card for either system if the launches are split into before and after a holiday season. I temper this a bit by Sony's current sold out everywhere status for bundles, because a lot of people will be set for a couple years now I bet. And backwards compatibility with current generation will also be a possible game changer if only one does it. If MS has it, Sony doesn't, and MS launches first, I think that will be MS best chance. Early adopters can set things in motion for a new generation and I think if both of those things are true the early adopter crowd will be on board.
Two things mentioned do have water though. First to market will be a strong card for either system if the launches are split into before and after a holiday season. I temper this a bit by Sony's current sold out everywhere status for bundles, because a lot of people will be set for a couple years now I bet. And backwards compatibility with current generation will also be a possible game changer if only one does it. If MS has it, Sony doesn't, and MS launches first, I think that will be MS best chance. Early adopters can set things in motion for a new generation and I think if both of those things are true the early adopter crowd will be on board.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
God of War is one of the top selling games this year.
Horizon Zero Dawn was one of the top 10 selling games last year at some point.
I don't know why people try to say, "All they want to play is COD, FIFA etc" when numbers show differently. You guys are acting like CoD is selling 20-30 million copies on a single platform.
Thiagosc777
Member
https://wccftech.com/npd-top-10-games-sold-ps4-xb1/
No, the numbers show exactly that people couldn't care less about exclusives.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It doesn't. You're only pointing out a few games. Numbers show that they care and only a few franchises sell better than the top PS4 exclusives. Naming off a few big titles doesn't negate that. that's like saying more people play Fortnite and GTA and no one cares about Call of Duty.
You're most a goalpost and making your own cutoff point in an attempt to downplay the impact of exclusives.
Thiagosc777
Member
You are all delusional.