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[cryptoadam]

WTF EA.

Look I don't care about SJW/Women/Bionic arms in my game. I actually really loved the first trailer (though not as good as the seven nation army BF 1 trailer). But EA is shooting DICE in the foot, legs, arms, and head.

BF V outside of being light on content(which will all be free anyways) is actually a kick ass game and a really good BF game. This will go down as one of the worse selling BF's for no reason outside of EA's stupid marketing.

If you actually play BF outside of one war story mission you don't notice any SJW or Mah Women stuff in the game. I can't even tell half the time who is a man or women in the game. And that one SP mission, lets be honest, most of BF players don't even touch the SP anyways.

EA made 2 mistakes with BF. The marketing and no BR on day 1, and both those mistakes are sinking a kick ass game.

 

[olimariOA]

How did you reach that conclusion?

We don't need scientific receipts for every post. Goodness.
JAREBEAR WHERE ARE YOU PEER REVIEWED DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES ON PEOPLE BEING FED UP?

 

[//DEVIL//]

These people will always blame other people for there own shit. Even if they get fired they will blame it on gamers being sexist / racist which result in them being axed. It never is there fault.

I said it before i hope dice is on the next chopping block, EA can also just go down the toilet for allowing this shit to happen.

Wasn't it the shithead CEO in the first place that told the gamers to fuck off and not buy the game or something in that context ?

They all need to be axed to be honest. A shitty company all around

 

[Cosmogony]

Tone-policing is your angle? Isn't that a logical fallacy?

It sure would be a fallacy to claim I said your argument was invalid because of its tone.

If you want to derail this thread further you can PM me

Thanks for the suggestion, even though it seems to me there's a "don't" missing.

otherwise you can go back, read the conversations and follow them to their natural conclusion rather than hand-wringing about my tone as some sort of gotcha.

You can re-read the post you are currently replying to and then, maybe, decide to reply to the very specific points I raised there.

 

[fantomena]

We don't need scientific receipts for every post. Goodness.
JAREBEAR WHERE ARE YOU PEER REVIEWED DOUBLE BLIND STUDIES ON PEOPLE BEING FED UP?

So instead we can just write shit without any data to support my claim? Cool.

 

[danielberg]

How did you reach that conclusion?

There was a study result recently that showed only 8% care about anything pc or sjw bullshit and the rest just want to be left alone from that bullshit, basically confirming that the far leftists and sjw mental cases are just a loud minority subverting everything, also worth mentioning that any company that got "sjw woke/new age racist" lost money over the last years.
So dumb ceos are basically jumping on a failing trend because the typical sjw idiots screams the loudest on social media lol

 

[olimariOA]

So instead we can just write shit without any data to support our claim? Cool.

Or we can accept that people have different experiences and are likely being earnest when they say stuff online.
Maybe he doesn't like to be lectured to and has noticed that others share his opinion. That's enough to say wha he said without needing to be published in a journal.

 

[dacuk]

Nobody is forcing you to buy it or play it, so... stop crying?

 

[danielberg]

I'm amazed at so-called gamers... I thought the game play was King .. everything else secondary.

I believe this is supposed to be an alternate timeline. Not a re-creation of the ACTUAL timeline.



Who cares if there's playable women characters? How does that hurt anyone?

Considering this rewriting of history and leftist new age racism is now happening on all levels of the media, schools and even news like bbc who now deliberately rewrites european history yeah its pretty obvious what far leftist mental cases are pushing because its basically happening on every front possible. Sorry some people just wont support this shit anymore.

Nobody is forcing you to buy it or play it, so... stop crying?

Yeah no this wont stop and i hope it will get louder all around the media and every soft power the sjw intersectual bullshit left has infiltrated and is now abusing, so one might say its not crying its just making people aware how this is now happening everywhere and assuring them no they are not crazy and just seeing things and they should vote with their wallets to bury this garbage and the garbage peddlers with made up intersectual thinking along with it.

 

[olimariOA]

Considering this rewriting of history and leftist new age racism is now happening on all levels of the media, schools and even news like bbc who now deliberately rewrites european history yeah its pretty obvious what far leftist mental cases are pushing because its basically happening on every front possible. But of course you know this and thats why you defend it in a piece meal way as you usually do and have done already about other sjw crap infiltrating places before. Sorry some people just wont support this shit anymore.

I always wonder this about conservatives.
If you're worried about the corruption of social media and internet hosting...
And you're worried about the rewriting of history...

Why not combat that with your own platforms?
If you think Activision is botching history to promote an ideology then maybe the best recourse is to create something good that you think is correct. Lord knows conservatives have enough money if they could just figure out how to collaborate and prioritize.

It's always easier to change yourself than to convince others to change.

 

[PsyEd]

EA is like the most hated company out there and DICE is overloaded with soy products and broken games. Since they put it this way...I'll won't spend $10 on CuckFieldV which I planned for Black Friday 2019.

Funny Blops4 and Rdr2 has strong female characters but none of this bs.

 

[petran79]

Women, Queer and people of color fought during WW2, but they were a small minority and no, they didn't won the war alone, they still needed a majority of white, straight, non impaired men to win. Something that this game deliberately tries to cover, hide, deny and rewrite.

Queer people? At that time if you admitted being queer you'd go to jail. In fact queer people put to jail by the Nazis, continued serving their sentence during the Allied occupation.

 

[Afro Republican]

It took Battlefield quite some time to get COD level sales years ago and it's now going to throw that all the way with this.

Well maybe they can reboot Medal of Honor again. Or DICE can go back to making Pinball games, True Pinball was cool.

Also isn't that hashtag discriminatory? What about the Non-binaries that have no gender? Huh EA? DID YOU THINK OF THAT????

 

[Lastyou1]

Queer people? At that time if you admitted being queer you'd go to jail. In fact queer people put to jail by the Nazis, continued serving their sentence during the Allied occupation.

Queer as a simplified synonymous of homosexual. Yes, admitting it was a crime back then, but many didn't came out of the closet and were considered straight people.

Heck, back then a lot of queer people had a heterosexual marriage with children.

 

[Afro Republican]

So looking through this thread, the other site, and several other places here's the ticket.

People seem to forget that WW2 was primarily 90%+ a EUROPEAN WAR, which is why WHITE PEOPLE (mostly men) would make up 90%+ OF ALL the activity in the war. Only exceptions are Black volunteers from the USA and France, and some Blacks and Middle Easter ethics who fought on the south side but the other 90% of the African continent wasn't involved just like 90% of Asia wasn't involved. Outside of Japans antics of course.

If they wanted a diverse WW they could have easily chosen a more recent war, or went the fictional route like COD did with some of its games.

I also have concern that we are politicizing horrendous war. And downplaying what people had to go through and as a result stripping the game down to "oh yeah let's just add some unneeded diversity in it" which downplays the importance of the event. That's why I'm glad this is getting backlash because the one thing I don't want is it to become a popular trend to rewrite history for political purposes or selfish reasons.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

Imagine getting angry about video games on the Internet.

 

[Vtecomega]

Buddy. No. Read properly - "never more than". It implies 15s is the longest I've waited and that's been during off-peak times. I'm in central Europe and during peak times I usually get a match almost straight after I press the search button.

Besides, since when is 15s long? I routinely wait longer than 15s for Black Ops 4 or Fortnite. You want to tell me those are dead games too? How about Dota 2, where matchmaking can sometimes take minutes. Such a trashy dead game, that Dota 2.

LOL. Come on man. I get that this whole saga has really made your butt very sore, but resorting to lies? Anyway, I'm off to go play Battlefield 5, so cheers. Best Battlefield since BF3.

I can sense the soy just by reading your posts. I can almost guarantee you have a gold membership at Resetera.

 

[ShadyJ]

They said if you aren't happy don't buy it, looks like no one is buying it.

Must feel good to fuck off your core fanbase because you want to pander to blow ins that will play for a week then drop it or not even play at all

 

[Scopa]

That’s a top ten rant right there. Fucking amazing and 100% on the money.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

edit:

Nvm not worth it

 

[Dr. Claus]

Imagine getting angry about video games on the Internet.

Imagine coming back to a forum you left to mock its users.

 

[fantomena]

Imagine coming back to a forum you left to mock its users.

Imagine having an entire thread dedicated to mocking other users.

 

[EDMIX]

It's been pointed out earlier in this thread but: the slides you are quoting have nothing to do with dice. So if you boycott dice over that, might as well boycott, I don't know, maybe the US postal system, Mc Donald's, green day, Activision, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft, who have equally little to do with them?

At this point, I think this crowd might as well quit gaming as a whole. I'm pretty sure they can find any developer in the world that has some staff that have different views, so logic to them is to play nothing, watching nothing lol

Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Imagine having an entire thread dedicated to mocking other users.

Not hard to imagine considering almost every forum has one of those.

 

[anthraticus]

At least the games blow so it's not like they're f-ing up anything that's

anyway.

 

[fantomena]

At least the games blow so it's not like they're f-ing up anything that's

anyway.

The game is really fun and good, it just lacks content and some bug fixing.

Not hard to imagine considering almost every forum has one of those.

Well that just makes things sadder imo.

Ive always seen a forum where people gather to talk about different topics....just not other forums.

 

[dano1]

The game is not good. Compared to other battlefield games this is the worst. No team play, and shotting someone looks like dots in the distance. Apparently, you haven't played Battlefiled bad company 2 or Battlefield 3. Go watch some youtube videos to see the difference on shotting mechanics, guns, vehicle, maps and team play. There is nothing of that in this game.

I’ve bought every Battlefield game on launch day. Not sure what system and tv your playing on but My Sony 4K tv and ps4 pro looks better than any Battlefield ever made for console! I don’t need to watch videos I have the game.
Bad company 2 was great though

 

[PrintedCrayon]

Imagine coming back to a forum you left to mock its users.

Lol, did I hurt your feelings with that one?

Let's face it, who in their right mind is looking to the Battlefield series for historical realism? You'd have to be bordering on insincerety at best if you say yes to that.

This is a series that surrounds itself in the themes and situations of the time but is very much not a Sim style experience pushing for absolute realism. No matter what DICE or EA says.

If I want historical non fiction I open a textbook or Web page, I don't personally think video games are the right way to go about providing that serious context when they're supposed to be more about having fun. War is not fun.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So, the Battlefield Reddit has some... fun things happen over the past few hours. Apparently a few mods were pulling a play right out of the former Neogaf (and current Era) moderation team: randomly banning members, silencing speech they don't like, and making baseless accusations of alt-right. They have since been removed and things seem to be looking up:

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Gaming had a good run. Godspeed old friend.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Lol, did I hurt your feelings with that one?

Let's face it, who in their right mind is looking to the Battlefield series for historical realism? You'd have to be bordering on insincerety at best if you say yes to that.

This is a series that surrounds itself in the themes and situations of the time but is very much not a Sim style experience pushing for absolute realism. No matter what DICE or EA says.

If I want historical non fiction I open a textbook or Web page, I don't personally think video games are the right way to go about providing that serious context when they're supposed to be more about having fun. War is not fun.

There is a major difference between historical authenticity and having simple expectations that the developers would respectfully deal with the subject matter, not change what they like to push a socio-political agenda via historical revisionism. This is especially concerning when they literally stated: "We treat history with great respect, as we did before with Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 1. We have set out to make a game that is believable with a level of authenticity that ensures we're still delivering an enjoyable and engaging experience." As has been stated and shown with evidence (both in this thread and others on the subject), they did not do what they set out to.

Also no, you did not hurt my feelings. Just making a playful poke at the fact that you are just another Era member coming out to whine about the forum now that yours is down.

 

[Racer!]

At this point, I think this crowd might as well quit gaming as a whole. I'm pretty sure they can find any developer in the world that has some staff that have different views, so logic to them is to play nothing, watching nothing lol

Sounds pretty stupid if you ask me.

Work for EA?

 

[anthraticus]

The game is really fun and good, it just lacks content and some bug fixing.

Meh, sp looks like the same linear, overly scripted 4-6 hour popamole Hollywood bullshit and mp period got played out for me years & years ago.

 

[fantomena]

Meh, sp looks like the same linear, overly scripted 4-6 hour popamole Hollywood bullshit and mp period got played out for me years & years ago.

I agreed. SP is boring and it's just as boring as BF1s SP. However, since Im Norwegian, I found the Narvik missions "Nordlys" very interesting.

MP is great fun, it just lacks content and some bux fixing.

The last SP mission is coming dec 6th if I recall correctly, hope that one better, but DICEs history with SP tells me no.

MP mode "Tides of War" is coming dec 4th so hopefully that brings some new stuff with it.

 

[EDMIX]

Work for EA?

Nope. Just play games for fun. I'm not sure why that is such a strange concept.
I criticize lots of publishers and developers, but my criteria for playing a game is still based on if its fun. Hard to believe , but people actually do play games based on fun vs twitter comments...

 

[PrintedCrayon]

There is a major difference between historical authenticity and having simple expectations that the developers would respectfully deal with the subject matter, not change what they like to push a socio-political agenda via historical revisionism. This is especially concerning when they literally stated: "We treat history with great respect, as we did before with Battlefield 1942 and Battlefield 1. We have set out to make a game that is believable with a level of authenticity that ensures we're still delivering an enjoyable and engaging experience." As has been stated and shown with evidence (both in this thread and others on the subject), they did not do what they set out to.

Also no, you did not hurt my feelings. Just making a playful poke at the fact that you are just another Era member coming out to whine about the forum now that yours is down.

I'm not trying to be dismissive of your entire point because you actually make a good one, but why would you ever listen to what a corporate entity like EA would have to say about anything like historical accuracy when they are looking at making the game as attractive to as wide a demographic as possible.

Surely no game that contains equippable custom coloured grips and reticules is looking to accurately represent the period they have chosen to do so? No matter what the mouthpieces at DICE or EA tell you.


Personally I don't view it as revisionism as I don't look to games for that sort of historical context/accuracy thing. Isn't it meant to be about fun and not sweating over the smallest details? I'd be more pissed if certain factions were missing entirely such as the situation was with BF1.

As for only posting here due to Era being down, I've just stopped posting here as I find the attitude toward certain topics doesn't align with my own. I still lurk, but I don't need to justify that to you, stranger on the Internet

 

[fantomena]

Nope. Just play games for fun. I'm not sure why that is such a strange concept.
I criticize lots of publishers and developers, but my criteria for playing a game is still based on if its fun. Hard to believe , but people actually do play games based on fun vs twitter comments...

Fun? What the hell are you thinking? There were real people that died in this war and you want that war to be fun for you? Was it fun for them? I don't think so.

Spoiler

/s

 

[TheWatcher]

If the so called privileged that are oppressed because of 'equality' financially withdrew from this hobby these losers would cease to exist. I find it ironic we live in a society now where it is offensive to dress up like a Native Indian during Halloween, but European history can be black or brown washed without a single criticism. It is just a game, they scream, as they take over and implode very successful mediums.

We live in a truly strange time. Video game developers espousing Marxism and inclusivity as they rip off gamers with tiered games, worthless and over priced trinkets, DLC, and overall buggy mechanics.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

If the so called privileged that are oppressed because of 'equality' financially withdrew from this hobby these losers would cease to exist. I find it ironic we live in a society now where it is offensive to dress up like a Native Indian during Halloween, but European history can be black or brown washed without a single criticism. It is just a game, they scream, as they take over and implode very successful mediums.

We live in a truly strange time. Video game developers espousing Marxism and inclusivity as they rip off gamers with tiered games, worthless and over priced trinkets, DLC, and overall buggy mechanics.

You talk as if equality and bad pricing or MTX mechanics are mutually exclusive.

Delusional.

Video games are supposed to be for everyone. Why don't people understand that.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Video games are supposed to be for everyone. Why don't people understand that.

How have video games, and Battlefield in particular, pushed people away from playing in the past?

I'm dying to find out.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

How have video games, and Battlefield in particular, pushed people away from playing in the past?

I'm dying to find out.

Does it actually hurt you physically when a women or person of colour are put into a game?

No?

So why does the inclusion bother you.

Sometimes people like to feel included. But sure let's bemoan equality in the name of "historical realism"

 

[fantomena]

How have video games, and Battlefield in particular, pushed people away from playing in the past?

I'm dying to find out.

By playing online and not have people muted.

You talk as if equality and bad pricing or MTX mechanics are mutually exclusive.

Delusional.

Video games are supposed to be for everyone. Why don't people understand that.

Everyone? Who do you think you are you soyboy beta cuck SJW NPC snowflake?

 

[Dr. Claus]

So, the Battlefield Reddit has some... fun things happen over the past few hours. Apparently a few mods were pulling a play right out of the former Neogaf (and current Era) moderation team: randomly banning members, silencing speech they don't like, and making baseless accusations of alt-right. They have since been removed and things seem to be looking up:

Nevermind. Apparently a war is ongoing with the community. Many want the removal of those poor moderators, but they are reinstated and PTFOHolland's posts are being deleted. We shall see who wins: The SJWs or the sane.

 

[Racer!]

Nope. Just play games for fun. I'm not sure why that is such a strange concept.
I criticize lots of publishers and developers, but my criteria for playing a game is still based on if its fun. Hard to believe , but people actually do play games based on fun vs twitter comments...

You seem biased, almost as if EA/DICE can do no wrong. Went out of your way to defend it before you even had a chance to play it. (If youre not an insider in some way)

If all you care about is playing fun games, why are you in every BFV controversy thread? If immersion matters to other players, who are you to tell them otherwise?

 

[fantomena]

Nevermind. Apparently a war is ongoing with the community. Many want the removal of those poor moderators, but they are reinstated and PTFOHolland's posts are being deleted. We shall see who wins: The SJWs or the sane.

Why did you only name 1 team/group?

 

[InterMusketeer]

Does it actually hurt you physically when a women or person of colour are put into a game?

I asked you a question. It's rude to answer with a question of your own.

By playing online and not have people muted.

I assume players are smart enough to engage the mute-button.

 

[fantomena]

I asked you a question. It's rude to answer with a question of your own.

Why?

 

[PrintedCrayon]

I asked you a question. It's rude to answer with a question of your own.

Lol mate, take a day off.

I assume from your lack of response you have nothing further to add. So I'm lead to assume that yes, you die a little inside each time

 

[Dacon]

Regardless of where you stand on this issue, I think some of you are getting way too personal and borderline insulting each other needlessly. There's nothing wrong with wanting authenticity in a game based off of one of the most important conflicts in human history, some people take the entire subject very seriously, and demand the proper respect and gravitas when approaching it in any medium. Battlefield V takes a lot of liberties with the great war and I can understand being annoyed by that.

I also understand it not being a big deal for some people. Some folks just want to shoot people and care little for anything else, and I get that. I feel largely the same most of the time. I don't much care for politics of any kind, and I generally don't like them being interjected into one of my longtime fav FPS series. So I find myself a bit annoyed by their appearance in BFV, however admittedly the thing keeping me from this iteration is a lack of any hardware capable of running the game at 60 fps at the very least.

What I don't understand about this whole situation, is the need to browbeat and demean people for caring. It seems silly and juvenile to me.
I believe many would have been less annoyed however, if it wasn't for the flippant, dismissive, and downright insulting commentary by representatives of the game. It boggles my mind that someone selling a multi million dollar product would tell people to not buy their game for whatever reason. Their behavior is why so many have made the assumption that this is some sort of SJWish invasion of their favorite franchise which only escalated people's grievances further.

 

[Shifty]

#EveryonesBattlefield, because everyone will be able to afford it following the deep post-flop discounts.