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[Marvel]

Y'all need, Jesus.

 

[anthraticus]

However, since Im Norwegian, I found the Narvik missions "Nordlys" very interesting.

If you haven't already, check out a game called Hidden & Dangerous 2. Best WW2 campaign ever with some really good missions up in Norway.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Oh no! We’ve been invaded! Run! Please someone help us!

Spoiler

JK this happens at least 3 times a week. Stay awhile and look at the site it’s so new and awesome. Best Gaf replacement site right hurr!

 

[Dr. Claus]

Why did you only name 1 team/group?

There are two groups. There are the mods who were originally removed for silencing discussion, banning members they don't like, and closing down discussion that doesn't sit in-line with their own views (SJWs), and the sane who want to be able to discussion freely (PTFOHolland and Company).

 

[fantomena]

If you haven't already, check out a game called Hidden & Dangerous 2. Best WW2 campaign ever with some really good missions up in Norway.

Thx, gonna check it out. Always feel a joy when a game takes place in Norway or in Scandinavia for that matter.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Why?

Because they could've just said nothing and ignored my post, but instead he decided to attempt to sidetrack the discussion by asking a completely unrelated question to avoid answering. That's why it's rude.

I assume from your lack of response you have nothing further to add. So I'm lead to assume that yes, you die a little inside each time

That's rich coming from you, since you were the one who refused to respond to my question that actually related to what you were saying. Quite unlike your strawman here.

 

[Marvel]

I don't understand this facination some of you have with Soy related food products lol.

Must have missed some meme.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

Because they could've just said nothing and ignored my post, but instead he decided to attempt to sidetrack the discussion by asking a completely unrelated question to avoid answering. That's why it's rude.


That's rich coming from you, since you were the one who refused to respond to my question that actually related to what you were saying. Quite unlike your strawman here.

Okay, I'll bite.

Do you want to know who it harms the most?

White people mostly as lack of representation serves to further the lazy stereotype that gamers are just angry young white men with a thirst for bloodshed and violence that's seen in the tent pole AAA releases.

I'll grant you that forcing representation everywhere doesn't always work, but how harmful can it be to stick one woman or black dude in a game about a war which affected the world.

At the end of the day, its fucking video games. Why do we have to take it so seriously.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

I don't understand this facination some of you have with Soy related food products lol.

Must have missed some meme.

When you love estrogen, but hate women in media.

 

[Breakage]

I was watching television this evening and saw the UK Battlefield V advert.
I noticed it featured no women.

 

[TheWatcher]

You talk as if equality and bad pricing or MTX mechanics are mutually exclusive.

Delusional.

Video games are supposed to be for everyone. Why don't people understand that.

They are for everybody that can afford them. Video games are not a human right. You are delusional if you think that alienating the vast majority of paying customers will result in some sort of gaming utopia. Delusion is ignoring the financial ramifications of Dice's policy. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Okay, I'll bite.

Do you want to know who it harms the most?

White people mostly as lack of representation serves to further the lazy stereotype that gamers are just angry young white men with a thirst for bloodshed and violence that's seen in the tent pole AAA releases.

I'll grant you that forcing representation everywhere doesn't always work, but how harmful can it be to stick one woman or black dude in a game about a war which affected the world.

At the end of the day, its fucking video games. Why do we have to take it so seriously.

That's not what I asked though. I asked what video games have done in the past to push away people, and I guess I'll add: how is that fixed by what BFV has done?

Since you've been talking a lot about representation, and how it might kill me if minorities are represented, I assume you feel that is one of the major reasons people were pushed away from playing games. I feel that's not a very valid reason, as games depiciting minorities have existed for many years at this point. Pretending otherwise is just that: Pretending. Since we're on the topic of Battlefield, that game has had black people and women represented in both the campaign and multiplayer before. So... What exactly has Battlefield V done to improve the situation?

 

[remz]

imagine getting this shook at a dumb slogan like #everyonesbattlefield. if marketing for your "favourite hobby" upsets you this much you need to step away from forums and reassess yourself.

 

[captainraincoat]

To tell you the truth having women in the game (ignoring historic accuracy) really doesn't bother me ...at the end the day it is a game and needs to appeal to all markets and I think the more people overthink this ..they should probably go have a shower/drop the kids off/fresh air and come back...this goes for both sides as gaming should never be used as a platform for hardcore SJW or pushing extreme one way narrative agendas.

One thing I will say is they need to tone down the screaming and grunting by the female avatars ingame as is sounds like a childbirth centre in some conquest games

 

[Marvel]

When you love estrogen, but hate women in media.

I'm confused again.

Am I correct in assuming I'm Alpha AF for enjoying cow's milk, female playable characters in the games I play and watching a lot of SFM videogame porn?

Never tried soy, sounds fucking nasty.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Yeesh, the message of this panel.

So the police should exist to oppress legal, law abiding citizens rather than enforce the actual law?

(at least the fact that robots are part of the protest is kinda funny)

 

[PrintedCrayon]

They are for everybody that can afford them. Video games are not a human right. You are delusional if you think that alienating the vast majority of paying customers will result in some sort of gaming utopia. Delusion is ignoring the financial ramifications of Dice's policy. The numbers speak for themselves.

Ah, so we should exclude minorities based on the fact that lots of white people play video games.

Gotcha.

Where on earth do you get the impression I think gaming is a human right or that someone wants a gaming utopia.

You've lost me, my friend.

Surely you understand the sheer number of people who work in games are from all sorts of different backgrounds and cultures and therefore would like to see that better reflected in the games they work on.

I also cannot get over the fact that nobody seems to understand that EA's (and DICE's) responsibilities are to their shareholders, not you.

So they'll damn sure as shit make sure they cover all the bases to make others feel included.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Will someone please get their site back up

 

[EDMIX]

You seem biased, almost as if EA/DICE can do no wrong. Went out of your way to defend it before you even had a chance to play it. (If youre not an insider in some way)

If all you care about is playing fun games, why are you in every BFV controversy thread? If immersion matters to other players, who are you to tell them otherwise?

Not really, simply that the wrongs they do haven't change if a game is fun or not to me. When it does, I won't buy, but thats how I buy games now anyway so...


I own BFV day 1. My reason for defending playing a game for fun is simply that its my only real criteria with buying a game. Immersion matters to me too, simply not with this game series. It was never made for what is being argued about. I'm not telling anyone otherwise bud, if they want to not buy it for that reason, thats ok, but that would be logical for them to not even play most of the BF series in the first place.....

It never was made for those reasons. Its like arguing that Mario Kart isn't a sim and say "simulations matter to other plays, who are you to tell them otherwise?" when its actually not telling them that, its simply saying don't actually play Mario Kart for a concept it never was, just play GT or Forza.....

"If all you care about is playing fun games, why are you in every BFV controversy thread?" Cause I can be. Pretty sure i can care about playing games for fun and also post in the thread. You saying this thread isn't for folks who like games for fun or???

 

[PrintedCrayon]

That's not what I asked though. I asked what video games have done in the past to push away people, and I guess I'll add: how is that fixed by what BFV has done?

Since you've been talking a lot about representation, and how it might kill me if minorities are represented, I assume you feel that is one of the major reasons people were pushed away from playing games. I feel that's not a very valid reason, as games depiciting minorities have existed for many years at this point. Pretending otherwise is just that: Pretending. Since we're on the topic of Battlefield, that game has had black people and women represented in both the campaign and multiplayer before. So... What exactly has Battlefield V done to improve the situation?

Yes, I apologise for that. I should perhaps gone back and reread your post before responding again. However, you have pretty much summed up what I was getting at. I felt a lack of "front and centre" (you know, trailers and all that jazz) representation perhaps doesn't do enough to highlight all parties represented by the war and their efforts therein. For some, that's seemingly enough to push them away. I've had friends not purchase games over lesser things.


Now with BFV it has put them front and centre which has seemingly riled some part of their fan base, understandable for those looking for that all out historical context but maybe they're playing the wrong game.

Now we can talk about nonsense like "SJW agendas" until we're blue in the face but there's only one agenda here and that's delivering profits to shareholders on EA's part.

 

[TheWatcher]

Ah, so we should exclude minorities based on the fact that lots of white people play video games.

Gotcha.

Where on earth do you get the impression I think gaming is a human right or that someone wants a gaming utopia.

You've lost me, my friend.

Surely you understand the sheer number of people who work in games are from all sorts of different backgrounds and cultures and therefore would like to see that better reflected in the games they work on.

I also cannot get over the fact that nobody seems to understand that EA's (and DICE's) responsibilities are to their shareholders, not you.

So they'll damn sure as shit make sure they cover all the bases to make others feel included.

Never said anything about exclusion. I play a lot of games where the default isn't CIS white males.

Everybody knows you cater to your most profitable audience. Thank you for making my point. It is going to be a glorious day when the shareholders hold these contemptible social engineers accountable for their poor financial decisions.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Put them front and centre which has seemingly riled some part of their fan base.

Please tell me you're not asking me to post those game covers again. Please.

 

[Marvel]

I just want to shoot players in the fucking face and blow up houses with a tank, Battlefield V covers that quite nicely.

Though 3 and 4 are still my favourite.

 

[PrintedCrayon]

Please tell me you're not asking me to post those game covers again. Please.

Haha, I mean you can do, but I'm not sure where it'd get us.

I expanded my answer a little for you.

 

[888]

When you love estrogen, but hate women in media.

Not sure that’s the point. Plenty of women in media are perfectly done and have become pillars to the gaming community and beyond.

It’s the pushing them into even loosely historic setting for virtue points. No one complains about the heavy inclusion of women and minorities in other games like OW, COD etc. because it isn’t a problem.

Personally I don’t care too much about females in BF. I care more about the aggressive response from the developers. I got the game for free, it plays ok but it’s a barebones title. I would consider buying. APC copy if they knock off this nonsense and just focus on the game. But they won’t.

 

[Racer!]

Not really, simply that the wrongs they do haven't change if a game is fun or not to me. When it does, I won't buy, but thats how I buy games now anyway so...


I own BFV day 1. My reason for defending playing a game for fun is simply that its my only real criteria with buying a game. Immersion matters to me too, simply not with this game series. It was never made for what is being argued about. I'm not telling anyone otherwise bud, if they want to not buy it for that reason, thats ok, but that would be logical for them to not even play most of the BF series in the first place.....

It never was made for those reasons. Its like arguing that Mario Kart isn't a sim and say "simulations matter to other plays, who are you to tell them otherwise?" when its actually not telling them that, its simply saying don't actually play Mario Kart for a concept it never was, just play GT or Forza.....

"If all you care about is playing fun games, why are you in every BFV controversy thread?" Cause I can be. Pretty sure i can care about playing games for fun and also post in the thread. You saying this thread isn't for folks who like games for fun or???

Just saying this thread is for folks who discuss the topic. We all know by now that you play game for fun, and those who dont are stupid. Think ive read it 20 times.

Its like arguing that Mario Kart isn't a sim and say "simulations matter to other plays, who are you to tell them otherwise?

Are you serious? Do you see this kind of controversy with Mario kart?

You can get a good feel for where the fanbase stands on this by looking at the launch trailer like/dislike ratio. Over 50% of the customerbase downvotes the direction DICE has taken with this. (the closest metrics we have) Its probably also pretty close to reported sales numbers. Should ring a bell that this is not just a vocal minority.

That said, its completely up to DICE to go in this direction.

And you play games for fun, we get it.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Haha, I mean you can do, but I'm not sure where it'd get us.

I expanded my answer a little for you.

Thank you.

Minorities and women have already been put front and centre before in Battlefield (BF1 had both a black soldier and a female soldier on the cover, the statue for the collector's edition depicted a black man, the tutorial featured the Harlem Hellfighters and one of the other missions featured a Bedouin woman fighting the Ottomans, all of this was heavily marketed) and they were in Battlefield games before then as well, so I just don't think that's really true. I actually hope you're wrong on what minorities want, because that would mean the only way to attract them to your game would be by screaming "YOUR RACE/GENDER/SEXUALITY IS IN THIS GAME TOO!!!" in their faces. It would also result in tokenism, with every game having "the women mission" and "the black people operation" and "this is the mission where one or more characters are gay."

Another thing I want to point out about BF1, is that the backlash (if you can even call it that) to that game with its minority representation was far less severe than what we're seeing here with BFV. Did it make sense to represent WW1 with a black soldier on the cover? Well, not really. The vast majority of the men who fought were white, but the Harlem Hellfighters actually existed, and their sacrifice and courage does deserve to be honored. Did it make sense that all the Russian snipers were women? Hell no, but again, at least they were based on the women's battalions that Russia did send out to fight, so that was justified. People spoke up about that and may have had different opinions from DICE, but it didn't affect the game that much and fans generally accepted it without issue.

And all of this comes full circle when I repeat what people have been saying multiple times now in this thread: It's fine to include minorities and women in a Battlefield game, even a WW2 setting, and we'll tolerate their overrepresentation within the conflict (from a historical perspective) for the sake of diversity but... there is a limit. And that limit is their representation being boring and unjustified, not supported by the facts, with the CEO calling gamers uneducated when they point out how absurd it is, and him even doubling down by claiming it's a 'plausible' scenario, with the studio then going one step beyond by using dumb quotes to pretend they're fighting the good fight against sexists and racists. The very people who have been playing their games, which already included both racial minorities AND women, before. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

 

[EDMIX]

Just saying this thread is for folks who discuss the topic. We all know by now that you play game for fun, and those who dont are stupid. Think ive read it 20 times.



Are you serious? Do you see this kind of controversy with Mario kart?

You can get a good feel for where the fanbase stands on this by looking at the launch trailer like/dislike ratio. Over 50% of the customerbase downvotes the direction DICE has taken with this. (the closest metrics we have) Its probably also pretty close to reported sales numbers. Should ring a bell that this is not just a vocal minority.

That said, its completely up to DICE to go in this direction.

And you play games for fun, we get it.

Thats nice.

I don't play games based on trailer likes on Youtube. Trying to force this narrative that its this "controversy" that is resulting in those sales is like a SJW trying to say Titanfall 2 failed because the "fanbase" got tired of white males in the game and the alt right agenda failed and the fans had "enough".

Its a baseless claim that ignores everything else to argue over something.

 

[egocrata]

I only see a bunch of little men here scared that somebody might ruin their pew pew fantasies by playing as someone that has a vagina.
Good. Fucking. Lord. It is a video game. Who cares about accuracy.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I only see a bunch of little men here scared that somebody might ruin their pew pew fantasies by playing as someone that has a vagina.
Good. Fucking. Lord. It is a video game. Who cares about accuracy.

Decent troll post. I give it a 5/10. Could use some work to make it stand out more.

 

[Omoiyari]

the multiplayer customization feature has been a problem ever since the first black ops came around, which I believe introduced animated weapon skins like these:

I fucking hate them, they break immersion by making guns look like kids toys corrupted by black magic.
The gender choice customization in historical multiplayer games is no different in my eyes, it's purely visual customization with no benefit to gameplay that break immersion significantly by fundamentally altering historical authenticity.

Now to be clear, I understand that some people actually prefer to have those weapon skins showing and the gender choice available because to them it makes for a more enjoyable gaming experience.

What I am upset about is the devs not giving us the option to turn off all that customization crap in order to restore as much visual authenticity as possible, (I feel that something like that is especially important in a game about a real war).

You like the option of playing as a woman in WWII? fine, everyone is free to like what they like and it's great that you now have the option do to so, but locking every single player in a fixed multiplayer fantasy feels unnecessary when there is a very easy solution to the problem.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I suggest you look on Youtube for the "AmericanKrogan Battlefield V: Historical Revisionism" and watch the video. He will explain it better and in shorter time than I have now. Suffice it to say, they rewrote history (putting literal convicts in the boat service, changing the brave norwegian and british men during multiple covert operations into a teenage girl and mother, and pushed a overly dramaticized version of how the Senegalese (SP?) were treated by french soldiers).

Hey Claus,

I watched the video. I'm no historian as my knowledge about world wars is basically what movies and black and white tv clips show, so good to hear some historical stories from the YT person.

As for all the BF5 issues with rewriting stories, I'm going to be Devil's Advocate for everyone........

Why BF5 should be more accurate
- More realistic
- Respects and pay homage to real life soldiers and missions
- Cuts out all the SJW BS that seems to be going wild the last 5 years
- The first bit in the YT video about a mom and 12 year old daughter being able to Rambo their way through soldiers is absurd (including the teen getting dunked over a bridge into freezing water)

Why BF5 shouldn't care about accuracy
- EA/DICE has never said their BF games are historically accurate
- Gamers are outraged at unrealistic storylines, yet have no problem with unrealistic gameplay
- All forms of media fudge the facts to make things different (even documentaries with an agenda mess around with clips)
- Does it really matter? It's entertainment and a game

 

[Racer!]

Thats nice.

I don't play games based on trailer likes on Youtube. Trying to force this narrative that its this "controversy" that is resulting in those sales is like a SJW trying to say Titanfall 2 failed because the "fanbase" got tired of white males in the game and the alt right agenda failed and the fans had "enough".

Its a baseless claim that ignores everything else to argue over something.

Why would anybody care about why you play games? You keep bringing this up man Why do you think BFV is selling bad? You already said DICE outdid themselves on this, and the game is wonderful.

 

[EDMIX]

Why would anybody care about why you play games? You keep bringing this up man Why do you think BFV is selling bad? You already said DICE outdid themselves on this, and the game is wonderful.

"Why would anybody care about why you play games?" Don't know, why would anyone care why you play games? Can't have it both ways man, can't have all theses reasons on why some of you play or don't play, then start question others when their reasons don't match your own.

BFV is likely selling bad as its put up against a Call Of Duty, Assassins Creed and Red Dead. Add in BR crazy with Fortnight, PUBG and not launching with one and you have lots of reasons for folks not to pick it up and to play the BR mode in COD.

Titanfall 2 was a wonderful game too and legit one of ReSpawn's best games....doesn't mean a alt right agenda is why the game failed though. Put against BF1 and COD will result in lower sales, with Battlefield being put against something like Red Dead 2 moving like 17 million units, its likely to result in less sales.

 

[EDMIX]

Hey Claus,

I watched the video. I'm no historian as my knowledge about world wars is basically what movies and black and white tv clips show, so good to hear some historical stories from the YT person.

As for all the BF5 issues with rewriting stories, I'm going to be Devil's Advocate for everyone........

Why BF5 should be more accurate
- More realistic
- Respects and pay homage to real life soldiers and missions
- Cuts out all the SJW BS that seems to be going wild the last 5 years
- The first bit in the YT video about a mom and 12 year old daughter being able to Rambo their way through soldiers is absurd (including the teen getting dunked over a bridge into freezing water)

Why BF5 shouldn't care about accuracy
- EA/DICE has never said their BF games are historically accurate
- Gamers are outraged at unrealistic storylines, yet have no problem with unrealistic gameplay
- All forms of media fudge the facts to make things different (even documentaries with an agenda mess around with clips)
- Does it really matter? It's entertainment and a game

Good points. Pretty much sums up this whole thing tbh.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

I only see a bunch of little men here scared that somebody might ruin their pew pew fantasies by playing as someone that has a vagina.
Good. Fucking. Lord. It is a video game. Who cares about accuracy.

Some of my favorite first person shooters of all time are the two No One Lives Forever games, where you play as someone that has a vagina.

In fact I relish the chance to play as a female character in a game because it's something different, I do not at all mind it with one exception and that is depending on one word....

Context, context, context.

In the context of a WW2 game like Battlefield V, for them to present female characters in a way that bends historical accuracy is a problem for me because I care about accuracy in a game based on real life history.

Some might care about accuracy, some might not, it's a matter of taste, for those that do care though it's a legitimate gripe and not just someone "scared that somebody might ruin their pew pew fantasies by playing as someone that has a vagina"

 

[ancelotti]

I feel like you need to get your head examined if you don't have a problem with women screaming in a war simulator like it's a Backstreet Boys concert. The fact no one had a problem with women in the previous game, nor its main competitor, proves the whole "thay heteZ wimmen!" brigade is a bunch of trolling nonsense from people who don't even play the game.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

the multiplayer customization feature has been a problem ever since the first black ops came around, which I believe introduced animated weapon skins like these:

I fucking hate them, they break immersion by making guns look like kids toys corrupted by black magic.
The gender choice customization in historical multiplayer games is no different in my eyes, it's purely visual customization with no benefit to gameplay that break immersion significantly by fundamentally altering historical authenticity.

Now to be clear, I understand that some people actually prefer to have those weapon skins showing and the gender choice available because to them it makes for a more enjoyable gaming experience.

What I am upset about is the devs not giving us the option to turn off all that customization crap in order to restore as much visual authenticity as possible, (I feel that something like that is especially important in a game about a real war).

You like the option of playing as a woman in WWII? fine, everyone is free to like what they like and it's great that you now have the option do to so, but locking every single player in a fixed multiplayer fantasy feels unnecessary when there is a very easy solution to the problem.

Simply making customizations optional would be a perfect middle ground for this issue.

But we don't live in logical times, could you imagine if a game actually had a "turn diversity off" option? The outrage that would come from that?

Because this isn't about making a more user friendly experience, this is all political agenda motivated stuff, that's why they're gonna force it down your throats rather than simply make it optional which would make everyone happy, but the goal isn't to make everyone happy, it's to make a certain demographic angry for political reasons.

 

[Papa]

I only see a bunch of little men here scared that somebody might ruin their pew pew fantasies by playing as someone that has a vagina.
Good. Fucking. Lord. It is a video game. Who cares about accuracy.

Can I make a game about the suffragettes and replace Emmeline Pankhurst with a white male?

 

[Mooreberg]

Cannot be panning out well if the price dropped 50% for a week so fast after release. After watching the Clean Prince videos about this game, I can't believe it was shipped with so many modes missing. I don't know if this or Fallout 76 is the worse example of "$60 Early Access" hubris.

Well, technically $30 or $35 Early Access. :-/

 

[Racer!]

"Why would anybody care about why you play games?" Don't know, why would anyone care why you play games? Can't have it both ways man, can't have all theses reasons on why some of you play or don't play, then start question others when their reasons don't match your own.

BFV is likely selling bad as its put up against a Call Of Duty, Assassins Creed and Red Dead. Add in BR crazy with Fortnight, PUBG and not launching with one and you have lots of reasons for folks not to pick it up and to play the BR mode in COD.

Titanfall 2 was a wonderful game too and legit one of ReSpawn's best games....doesn't mean a alt right agenda is why the game failed though. Put against BF1 and COD will result in lower sales, with Battlefield being put against something like Red Dead 2 moving like 17 million units, its likely to result in less sales.

Nobody cares why I play games, thats why I dont keep telling you. But for some reason you think its relevant. You need to wake up to the real world.

 

[EDMIX]

Nobody cares why I play games, thats why I dont keep telling you. But for some reason you think its relevant. You need to wake up to the real world.

Sure bud. Real world is some people play games for fun. That shouldn't be something that puzzles you tbh. The fact that you even trolled asking if I worked for EA simply because I played a game shows maybe you don't get its actually possible for someone to actually play a game for the purpose of actual gameplay and fun.

 

[Elcid]

It’s not just the videogame industry this is happening in. It’s happening in movies and TV shows.

This guy gets it. It's happening everywhere. Just do what I do and avoid titles like this. Support shit like Dark Souls that has no agenda other than being an amazing game.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This guy gets it. It's happening everywhere. Just do what I do and avoid titles like this. Support shit like Dark Souls that has no agenda other than being an amazing game.

Don't be surprised if news comes out later BF5 wins awards for diversity in a storyline or whatever.

Corporations eat up feel-good news, awards and PR. In this day of being social-friendly, don't be surprised if there are goals at EA to strive for this. And if they achieve pats on the back, the objective is met.

For example, at many large corporations, the high level execs can have objectives that have nothing to do with the core business. It can involve things like raising money for charity. I've seen it.

For all you guys who work at big companies (like me), now you know why they sometimes force feed you charity drives, or asking for auto-donations taken off your pay stub.

 

[Racer!]

Sure bud. Real world is some people play games for fun. That shouldn't be something that puzzles you tbh. The fact that you even trolled asking if I worked for EA simply because I played a game shows maybe you don't get its actually possible for someone to actually play a game for the purpose of actual gameplay and fun.

I asked if you work for EA beause you come off as someone who has a horse in this race. Let me repeat, nobody is interested in why you play games. Get some real arguments or go play fun games.

About BFV going up against RDR2, well it doesnt look like COD had any problems with it. BFV controversy probably fueled other games.

 

[EDMIX]

This guy gets it. It's happening everywhere. Just do what I do and avoid titles like this. Support shit like Dark Souls that has no agenda other than being an amazing game.

How do you know? For all you know the developer is a sjw and the whole game is some symbolic thing about communism lol

When he starts tweeting about his real "agenda", you going to stop playing it or ?

This is just too much of a unknown and pretty much irrelevant. People I disagree with on politics, religion etc have made games, films, shows I like etc, that doesn't change the fact if I think a game they make is fun. So if a "sjw" can have a agenda, any group can and likely has been putting their um "agenda" in their work.

You really want to go down a road where this is your reasons for watching, playing, reading or enjoying anything?

 

[Barakov]

So they're doubling down on it? That's one way to go about this. The ironic part of all this is this probably the best mp BF has had in awhile but people are going to avoid this because of all the negativity around it.

 

[AmericanPixel]

I refuse to believe that this game has bombed hard because of EA's progressive stance representation in the game independent of whether it's accurate or not.

There's a variety of factors that could have led to this game bombing as it has. Releasing AFTER RDR2 and BOPS IIII did not bolster it's chances this I guarantee. Returning to WW2 after last year's CoD doesn't feel novel anymore and EA's brand has never been this toxic with core gamers.

I absolutely detest identity politics but I don't get why EA was as forceful in its response to not changing characters but on the flip side I don't get why so many gamers were outraged. When I play BFV my avatar will always be a male, but what is it to me if my friend or teammate chooses a female avatar?

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

The fact that having the ability to choose a woman or customize their completely fictional character in a 99% fictional universe to look more like them has caused this kind of uproar is downright crazy and embarrassing.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I refuse to believe that this game has bombed hard because of EA's progressive stance representation in the game independent of whether it's accurate or not.

There's a variety of factors that could have led to this game bombing as it has. Releasing AFTER RDR2 and BOPS IIII did not bolster it's chances this I guarantee. Returning to WW2 after last year's CoD doesn't feel novel anymore and EA's brand has never been this toxic with core gamers.

I absolutely detest identity politics but I don't get why EA was as forceful in its response to not changing characters but on the flip side I don't get why so many gamers were outraged. When I play BFV my avatar will always be a male, but what is it to me if my friend or teammate chooses a female avatar?

Good points.

I'm thinking the release date hurt it the most.

No wonder in the past, EA was so hard on ensuring BF released before CoD.