Senhua
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Maybe the more accurate question is "why do people want to ban sexy outfits if thats what the creator want?"
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Is There Any Fanservice In Western Games For Straight Men Anymore?
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Ulysses 31
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Good thing I’m no sjw who believes that white males are oppressors and responsible for the suffering of non-whites around the world. >.>
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Some video games attempt to and that's enough. It doesn't matter if they are successful as long as they are going for that serious tone some things are off limits.
If so, my apologies. It's becoming increasingly hard to caricature certain fringe positions because they themselves border on the caricature.
Sorry, mate. I didn't realize you were being sarcastic. A few posts on this very thread are virtually identical to yours, but sincere, so I couldn't tell.
The underlying point holds, though.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
The characters look better and the game becomes more fun.
Sqorin Hammerfarf
Banned
I don't even remember PN03 having a story...
Mahadev
Member
What kind of question is this? Why people want something that is visually appealing and interesting? You're asking as if sexy is something bad.
DunDunDunpachi
Banned
After all the "sex positivity" of the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, it's hilarious that we've returned to this point.
Even more hilarious that feminists and pearl-clutching "activists" are leading the charge. It's almost as if they wanted religious influence out of the way so that they could sit on that throne themselves...
Even more hilarious that feminists and pearl-clutching "activists" are leading the charge. It's almost as if they wanted religious influence out of the way so that they could sit on that throne themselves...
This question is exactly as daft as asking "why do people want video games, what's the importance?".
There is no "importance" beyond the fact that people like it. That's it.
Shit, it's not like when I sit down to play a videogame or watch a TV show I'm thinking "OK time to do my duty".
I suppose that might be the clash of worldviews.
You'll have a bunch of folk who are thinking "videogames can change the world" and it's companion "videogames need to grow up".
You'll have a bunch of folk who just want to have fun and play games. Perish the thought!
When these groups collide you have some kind of conflict over what a "videogame" is supposed to be.
When I see a question like yours I feel like people have forgotten that entertainment can be just plain and simple fun.
It doesn't have to always make some profound statement or be a catalyst for change in the world.
In the context of entertainment "why do people want sexy outfits" is just a dumb question.
Why do people want pineapple on their pizza?
Why do people want popcorn with their movie?
Why do people want to listen to catchy tunes?
What's the importance?
They want it because... they like it.
Nobody in here is stating that games MUST have sexy characters. Some are asking why western developers seem to be outright avoiding them. Some are asking why some sections of the community are dead set against sexy outfits.
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Cybrwzrd
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Sqorin Hammerfarf
Banned
It's not that I want sexy outfits (I do though), it's that I don't want other people telling me that I can't have them. The fact that people are okay allowing this oppression for sexy outfits when "diversity" is just as big a fetish is absurd. What if I told you that you couldn't have diversity in your games, huh? You wouldn't be very happy about that, I bet. So let's let the creators create it all, and let god sort them out.
Cybrwzrd
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You can still have serious tones and have sexy characters. Not all games need sexy characters, but they shouldn't be off limits if you want to include them.
Sqorin Hammerfarf
Banned
But one of the most perfect asses in gaming? I mean, it's not bad and all, but this is the media that brought you such greats as Cammy and Snake. The bar is high.Was talking about Nier: Automata
Cybrwzrd
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Sqorin Hammerfarf
Banned
Alright. I'll concede. Top 20 at least. But the important thing is that this discussion created the proper context in which to post that image, such that this discussion has been enriched by its presence. This argument could've gone on for days otherwise, and that's why we need fan service in our games. Because it enriches and solves problems.
strange headache
Banned
David Fincher is right...
...and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's human nature.
...and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's human nature.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
I said one of the best. Top 20 would fall well within that realm. We could continue to argue the semantics though, with more pictures, if you'd like.
strange headache
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Sqorin Hammerfarf
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I've already conceded the point, though there is certainly room in the discussion for ascertaining what those top 20 are. Obviously, at the top is PN03. It's a little dated as far as number of polygons go, but it gains extra points for gyrating for the entire game:
Xenon
Member
Im going to agree with this take. Fan service for Magna makes sense since that is actively has that sort of content, and is part of the draw to it. But western media has moved away from that for most of its films/shows. Cyberpunk 2077 has a good chance of giving you some of the sexiness. Also a game based on Frank Frazetta's art would work well.
Im not a big fan since it just comes off a bit cringy
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autoduelist
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The politics of the regressive left -are- bad. Terrible, even. Identity-based group politics is the antithesis of freedom. It leads to tyranny, which is why you already see them coming after stuff that you like. Your individuality means nothing, just your group status. That is why they try to shut down people based on their race gender and orientation.
Here's the thing though. I am staunchly for freedom of speech. I am staunchly against censorship. The politics of the regressive left are trying to shut people up. They're using outrage as a weapon. They are redefining words like racism.
They think they're doing this in the name of justice but they are actually misguided. It is against the individual, against freedom of speech, against you. You're right in that the person saying it may be a good person. But what they're saying is not.
so no, I do not think we need to play nice with them. I think most of them are very good people that are very misguided. I think they believe they are defending the disenfranchised and do not realize the ramifications of their politics. I think it should be pointed out. Old Gaffers that left were not the good guys, they were the bad guys.
Was I harsh? Sure. But if someone is advocating some people should have no voice, or is anti- freedom of speech slash Pro censorship, I'm going to call them out on it..
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JordanN
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You know, it's true that it benefits straight males, but women also enjoy looking at other women.
it's actually the number 1 result in erotic search engines.
It makes the feminist argument look even more bizarre. Did they forget lesbians exist?
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Sqorin Hammerfarf
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If cringy is your criteria, have you seen the diversity movement?
Senhua
Member
yup, thank god for the modding communities to banish that El Goblina
The Chairman
Member
Lol even God Eater 3 (PS4 exclusive) now pandering to straight female / gay male as they have male party member who constantly flirt with you (no matter what gender of your MC)
Software Sales
[PS4] God Eater 3 (Limited Edition Included) (Bandai Namco, 12/13/18) – 150,523 (New)
Read more at https://gematsu.com/2018/12/media-create-sales-12-10-18-12-16-18#5IlJlSLJbzy5iaWh.99
God Eater 3 declined from previous releases (Famitsu numbers)
God Eater - 276.104 617.828 Bandai Namco 04/02/2010
God Eater 2 - 266,326 on PS Vita, 112,024 on PSP
https://gematsu.com/2013/11...
Not a smart move.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
Lol even God Eater 3 (PS4 exclusive) now pandering to straight female / gay male as they have male party member who constantly flirt with you (no matter what gender of your MC)
There is so much Fujoshi bait in gaming, but people seem to completely ignore that because "BOOBS BAD" takes precedence.
DeepEnigma
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But that is the right kind of "sexual exploitation" in the land of #woke.
At some point they used the bathroom too, doesn't mean we need to see that kind of stuff.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Then don't look. Simple.
I don't, however, over representing something so base weakens writing and the overall quality of games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You never mentioned anything about it being "overrepresented in a medium".
You said: "Why do people want sexy outfits? What's the importance?"
People want it because they like it. End of.
Not at all! Being sexy is great but I can't put it in a position of so much importance when playing a game. At least for me, this is not something that concerns me every time a play a game.
Someone above answered me saying this is a dumb question because "people just like it, as they enjoy pizzas with pineapple", but I think that this answer is, in fact, a dumb comparison. Sexuality involves so much more than that.
As a man, I really like seeing Chun-Li's muscled legs, or Cammy almost naked in every game (and like it or not, it became classic so changing it may sound strange for some old folks like me), but I've always tried to think by someone else's mind and I completely understand that this 'sexualization' of a character may sound a little too much for some people (specially women).
You know, everybody got wet when first saw "Bearded Ryu" and it turn out fine because it didn't bother enough people. I think it's all a matter of how much it will affect other players experience.
Put some clothes on a videogame character it will never turn the game less entertainment. It will please people who may feel uncomfortable and it won't change your experience. At least it shouldn't.
DeepEnigma
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What I find fascinating, just a hair over a decade ago when MMOs were massive (as in the in thing at the time), our guild/clan all used to play and use Teamspeak/Ventrilo. When some games were troubled, and the guild discussed moving over to another game, one of the main concerns for the female gamers was if the character creator allowed them to look pretty and/or sexy.
WTF happened the past 4-5 years? Is it that an extreme group just overpowers those other female gamers in the noise ratio to make it seem they "all" have issue with this?
The male gamers did not give a shit one way or the other at the time, but a lot of couples played together so it was of course taken into consideration. Ironic to say the least.
WTF happened the past 4-5 years? Is it that an extreme group just overpowers those other female gamers in the noise ratio to make it seem they "all" have issue with this?
The male gamers did not give a shit one way or the other at the time, but a lot of couples played together so it was of course taken into consideration. Ironic to say the least.
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It was a pretty clear response.
Grinchy
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It always cracks me up how sexualized male designs aren't a problem because it's just a "male power fantasy." It's such a silly notion that all men want to be those designs because they're all cavemen deep inside. But of course women are too smart and evolved to want to be their sexualized designs, and if one does, they're victims of patriarchy and have internalized misogyny.
News flash: Many women want to be sexy and attractive. Many men want to be strong and attractive. The vast majority of us are hard-wired to have desires that all lead to fucking and pooping out offspring. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here.
News flash: Many women want to be sexy and attractive. Many men want to be strong and attractive. The vast majority of us are hard-wired to have desires that all lead to fucking and pooping out offspring. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here.
I didn't, what I said was "The less incidents for male gaze the better." I feel that video games relying on such low hanging fruit as breasty women weakens the genre.
InterMusketeer
Gold Member
The genre of video games?
lock2k
Banned
What is an "incident for male gaze".... like... wtf is this? Do you want a sharia type of society? Should we all put videogame characters in burqas? Men are hardwired to find pleasure on looking at women. It's not rocket science. Get over it.
Also... what is wrong with big breasts? Should devs only create characters with small breasts? This is nonsense.
Urantian
Neo Member
Personally I am not a fan of "sexy" out of context.
Have no issues with nudity or sexuality in a game, as long as it fits.
Having a warrior woman wear armor that looks sexy but would offer no protection feels like an immature move, and doesn't work for me.
Devs should be allowed to do what they want, but if the point of adding "sexy" is just for the "Ooooh, BOOBIES!", it more then likely won't appeal to me or my wallet
Have no issues with nudity or sexuality in a game, as long as it fits.
Having a warrior woman wear armor that looks sexy but would offer no protection feels like an immature move, and doesn't work for me.
Devs should be allowed to do what they want, but if the point of adding "sexy" is just for the "Ooooh, BOOBIES!", it more then likely won't appeal to me or my wallet
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The genre of art. Video games as a medium are sometimes limited by juvenile tropes.
Of course not, doesn't mean they have place in everything. They are over exposed in video games. In a world where porn is accessible from our phones 24/7, do we really need cleavage and scantily clad warriors taking us out of the narrative?
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
Some media implies family members in some U.S. families can be taking a shower, behind curtains, while others use the toilet. Just like that wouldn't force you to look, some media portraying even bathroom visits does not mean you're forced to watch it.
Sqorin Hammerfarf
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Works for me. It's like half the reason I play Monster Hunter. What's the point of murdering three story tall dragons with a sword the size of a tree trunk and turning their entrails into protective equipment if you can't look sexy while doing it?
It must be nice, thinking you are better than the rest of us.
underberg
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After all the "sex positivity" of the 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, it's hilarious that we've returned to this point.
Even more hilarious that feminists and pearl-clutching "activists" are leading the charge. It's almost as if they wanted religious influence out of the way so that they could sit on that throne themselves...
Sex positivity doesn't have anything to do with sexual exploitation of bodies.
You can have an open and thriving sexual life and be attracted by sex and bodies without necessarily asking for naked bodies everywhere.
lock2k
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I don't think they are over exposed in games.
Not even in the old days. The 90's had a lot of anthropomorphic mascots full of 'tude and stuff like that. Games with spaceships, guns, cars, puzzles, you had everything. Only a small portion of gaming was of the sexy kind and even today it is like that.
DunDunDunpachi
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But there aren't naked bodies everywhere, so what is the issue that needs to be solved?