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PlayStation 5 more powerful than Xbox Scarlet, according to Game Informer editor
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Jigsaah
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Regardless. They said it, not me. What form that 120 fps comes in is up to the developers.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I doubt that is true. Most people I am pretty sure can tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps. Beyond 60, I can completely believe that it's difficult to see.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They can't. Trust me I'm with you on it.
It's like "how can you not see the difference"
But the blind fucks can't.
Now personally 30/60 doesn't matter to me as long as there is no horrible drops.
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Armorian
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ethomaz
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Basically nothing because MS confirmed using a normal CPU+GPU APU and not a chipset APU.
Just to be clear to everybody the board where you attach your CPU/GPU/APU are divided in parts (Northbridge, Southbridge) and a lot of functions are implemented in one of these parts in the for of chipset.... the chipset does a lot of general functions presentes in a motherboard and directly do the link with the CPU/GPU/APU.
What the tweet is saying that there is a project for a big APU that included CPU+GPU+Chipset in the same package... so you won't have a big motherboard because the chipset functions will be inside the APU silicon.
But that has nothing to do with Scarlett because it was confirmed yesterday to be a CPU+GPU APU and even showed a motherboard with chipset to attach that APU.
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Azurro
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I'd like Sony to not censor the anime games for perverts either, but come on, they are a niche of a niche of a niche, an inception niche if you will. They are irrelevant when it comes to sales figures.
I looked into the latest Compile Heart game that comes out tomorrow, Dragon Star Varnir. The so-called Sony censoring are of some loli's butt (thank you for covering that up Sony, I don't need to see that), and some steam in a bath. Yawn.
llien
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The part I understand is too vague to hint at "monster performance".
Chiplet design is AMD's approach of slapping multiple smaller chips into the same CPU (makes those chips cheaper to produce) and opens up major options.
From the fact there will be more than one chiplet he/she concludes that there will be some secratsauce chip that would do stuff like DXR etc. Uh. Well, ok.
Why MS would patent "HBM2 like" GPU design is... not something I understand. Looked to me like generic idea of having "something with logic" betwen RAM and GPU.
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Gamernyc78
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Bcus pc doesn't have (drumroll plz) some of the best exclusives "I like"
Uncharted
Astrobot
God of War
Horizon
Spiderman
Bloodborne
MLB the Show
Tlou
And others
You get my drift
Probably would once PC ports stop being terrible.
PerfectDark
Banned
Doesn't matter anymore. Both consoles will get upgrades throughout its life cycle. Only the games matter.
LostDonkey
Member
Bcus pc doesn't have (drumroll plz) some of the best exclusives "I like"
Uncharted
Astrobot
God of War
Horizon
Spiderman
Bloodborne
MLB the Show
Tlou
And others
You get my drift
Ahem.....
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McHuj
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alabtrosMyster
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While I mostly agree with you, it can depend how they implement their extra chips/features (how effective is their raytracing implementation is by example, or if MS starve their GPU with low ROPs and async compute units -- look at how the PS4 PRO somehow holds its own against the X, these are some of the details that aren't taken into account on a lot of comparison that will from time to time make the difference).
But in the end, they'll be in the same ball park, no matter which has the more raw power.
base
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Good HDR, better immersion.
Night.Ninja
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Gamernyc78
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Ahemmmm none of those recent exclusives are on there and ahem you can keep your bs streaming of uncharted 2 lolAhem.....
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Aceofspades
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I feel like "Chiplet design" will become the next gen "extra dGpu inside the power brick" meme
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If Microsoft is not going to release the most powerful console they are wasting their time. They are by far in the best position to deliver on that and if they do not then they are going to have alot of bad will from the players that prefer their console.
Microsoft is not going to win in sales so if that is their aim they are going to deliver an inferior product to come in at a lower cost and still be massively dissapointed when Sony and Nintendo outsell them.
Microsoft is not going to win in sales so if that is their aim they are going to deliver an inferior product to come in at a lower cost and still be massively dissapointed when Sony and Nintendo outsell them.
vpance
Member
That's why they have one foot in the xCloud door. This generation their priority is to get people on game pass, PC or console. Then they can dump Xbox anytime after and go full streaming boxes plus PC.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
Man this dick size contest has to stop... can we just wait for more details on both before believing in some pointless rumors?
CyberPanda
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PR from both companies are fucking liars. I don’t fucking trust any of them. They are snake oil salesmen.
Winter John
Member
I don't give much of a shit which one I get since there ain't gonna be much difference between them. It's going to come down to which one is cheapest.
No.
I do find it funny how many people are so butthurt that we're even talking about this. I mean, it's pretty newsworthy - the exec editor of a well-known popular gaming mag shares industry talk about the next generation. That's awesome!
I've seen far more people complaining about phantom dick measuring than I've seen actual dick measuring. We get it - you don't want to hear about speculation here. You don't have to click the thread link either, though.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's time for some people to check out of this thread. If you don't want to discuss power between Snek and PS5 then I don't know what to say.
Ar¢tos
Member
You're right, I want to see some actual dicks being measured!
Trogdor1123
Member
Serious question, does it really matter anymore? It seems like deminishing returns would be really kicking in. I suspect they will be pretty close to one another regardless.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Member
stream = higher latency though.Ahem.....
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Ar¢tos
Member
Yes and no. As far as "normal" games go, a difference of 1-2tf will be minimal, probably only noticeable in Screenshots. But for VR games, every Tf helps, since the console has to render 2 images instead of one and at much higher Framerate.
Iced Arcade
Member
I don't think anyone knows even half of the details yet but I got a feeling these 2 systems are going to be the most similar consoles ever made.
Dabaus
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Slings and Arrows
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Ol'Scratch
Member
Part of me hopes that this is true just to see all of the Xbox One X zealots back peddle and fall all over themselves but it is far too early and there will be many tweaks and adjustments right up until launch on all sides.
ABrokenToy
Member
I just got off the phone with MisterXMedia. The Anacondain't is more powerful.
ethomaz
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PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 stream data like a local server... you don't need anything between them and the client.
What Xbox One family and the future Scarlet will do is exactly like PS3 and PS4 do.
XCloud will do the same as Now.
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Journey
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Actually it was not. The GPU in the PS3 (RSX) was inferior to Xenos by a significant margin. 192 GFLOPS vs 240 GFLOPS. In order to make up for it, developers had to program CELL (which was a nightmare at the time) and use techniques like SPU deferred shading just to make up for the lack in RSX ALU power.
See developer notes on the use of SPU deffered shading for CELL processor for Battlefield 3 and their equivalent on Xenos, the slide claims that although there is no DirectCompute or SPUs on 360, Xenos, unlike RSX, has enough power to crunch ALU.
See slide 70 of Siggraph 2011
So all this nightmare programming was just to make things equal, not necessarily surpass 360. In real world scenarios, multiplatform games on 360 generally outperformed the PS3 counterpart.
So what was the result of all the work put into programming cell? Did it really mean that SPU deferred shading for BF3 would make it superior to the 360 version? or was it simply a necessity given the inferior GPU?
You be the judge with these BF3 comparisons below:
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shenmue mugen
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I really want Sony and MS to develop the most powerful consoles they can afford.
CyberPanda
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I see the slight differences, but to the average gamer playing on his wal mart tv, they won’t care. Over the years I’ve noticed these comparisons are only popular on gaming forums, but when you talk to people in reality, they don’t care at all if one game has more pubic hair on a 3D model than the same game on a competitive platform. They just get the system that has their favourite games and whichever their friends are playing.Actually it was not. The GPU in the PS3 (RSX) was inferior to Xenos by a significant margin. 192 GFLOPS vs 240 GFLOPS. In order to make up for it, developers had to program CELL (which was a nightmare at the time) and use techniques like SPU deferred shading just to make up for the lack in RSX ALU power.
See developer notes on the use of SPU deffered shading for CELL processor for Battlefield 3 and their equivalent on Xenos, the slide claims that although there is no DirectCompute or SPUs on 360, Xenos, unlike RSX, has enough power to crunch ALU.
See slide 70 of Siggraph 2011
So all this nightmare programming was just to make things equal, not necessarily surpass 360. In real world scenarios, multiplatform games on 360 generally outperformed the PS3 counterpart.
So what was the result of all the work put into programming cell? Did it really mean that SPU deferred shading for BF3 would make it superior to the 360 version? or was it simply a necessity given the inferior GPU?
You be the judge with these BF3 comparisons below:
Riven326
Banned
That and 8k is just marketing bullshit. Console gamers eat that shit up because they don't know any better. Except for you fine people, of course.
CyberPanda
Banned
Ya, it’s all PR to make people foam from the mouth. Tread softly gamers, and don’t fall for the PR crap from any of these corporations.That and 8k is just marketing bullshit. Console gamers eat that shit up because they don't know any better. Except for you fine people, of course.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You vastly underestimate the folks who buy a Playstation console for these odd japanese games.
Phil-NeoGAF
Member
I don't care which one is more powerful. I want them both, unless they're priced beyond what I'm willing to pay. Until then I'm going to enjoy reading through these threads.
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pawel86ck
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With fps interpolation in Samsung HDTV it's hard to tell a difference between 30 upscaled to 60 and real 60 fps, but controls are more responsive at 60fps (that I can tell).
I think we will still see 30fps as a standard on xbox scarlett and ps5 simply because there isnt such a thing like enough performance. Developers will always aim for the best possible graphics. If games on scarlett would run at 4K 60 fps, then there will be very little GPU power left for improving graphics fidelity, and especially if they will use RT in games.
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