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Jeff Grubb: Devs Fawning over PS5. Haven't heard the same praise for XSX, but heard nothing bad
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ToadMan
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Xbox series X Gameplay Reveal!
Except not running on Xbox lol.
And no gameplay!
Who is lying exactly?
The only thing it revealed is that MS is not ready for next gen. But here - have some BC so you can play the xb1 games no one wanted when they were released while you’re patiently waiting years for content.
What a strategy that is rofl
geordiemp
Member
Lets see when games comeout, I personally think XSX will be less than the on paper 15 % (PS5 faster clocks and more direct APIs) on current gen games (Jaguar and HDD targeted games). It will take DF zooming in at 4k at blades of grass so far off in distance nobody will care, but XSX will win these just maybe.
Most AA stuff will have variable resolutions and fixed clocks, Jumping around from 1440 to 1800 or at 4K or just below, it will be hard to see. But these games will look a tier below stuff made for next gen directly.
On high quality asset small triangle mega streaming, true next gen, EPIC I believe chose ps5 because its good at this is what I think and will have an advantage. Until we see XSX loading something faster (ANYTHING LOL), we have little idea but what has been show todate does not impress (YET)....I will wait and see.
I also think SOME Ps5 games (Decima engine and a couple others but not all) from Sony first party will leverage everything and be a step up, but you cant compare as its first party......Just oggle
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DynamiteCop!
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- Gameplay was shown on an Inside Xbox episode via confirmed overflow they wouldn't be able to get to during their July event. Not showing an arbitrary amount of gameplay doesn't mean not showing gameplay by the way.
- Them not launching the system with a game only for it doesn't mean there won't be dramatic differences between a Series X version and a One version. A game doesn't have to be exclusive, it has to be compelling for the platform in which it's assigned.
- That's a multiplatform tech demo and it's confirmed to run even better than the PlayStation 5 on PC hardware worse than the Series X
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geordiemp
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The fact is we have had 2 XSX hardware teardowns, 1 inside Xbox and lots of dev interviews, 2 demos of fast loading last month but not optimised apparently...
And we have yet to see anything using high quality assets gameplay or any fast loading yet. I am sure its possible to some better degree, but why nothing yet ?
ToadMan
Member
I must’ve blinked and missed the Xsex gameplay then - where was it?
Or are you saying because it’s a multiplat the UE 5 demo on PS5 was infact MS’s gameplay reveal lol
Or do we have to wait until 2022 or later to see something exclusive running on Xsex? Well something other than games everyone already ignored on xb1?
MS couldn’t show gameplay on their own choreographed gameplay reveal. But it’s people here who you accuse of lying....?
Double standards much?
ResilientBanana
Member
Slow streaming!? We’re going from 80mbps in current gen to 2.4 gbps (XSX) And 5.5 gbps (PS5), uncompressed of course. Then we have 12TF (XSX) vs 10.2 TF (PS5) again, neither is slouching.
My theory is, they may cancel each other out and bevery similar in the visual department.
MoreJRPG
Suffers from extreme PDS
Graphics can only go so far based on where we're at. You'll see more advancement in VR rather than traditional TV gaming in terms of tech. UE5 for example isn't that big of a leap from what we've seen from Decima.
LeVictorien
Banned
Did Epic choose PS5 or did both came up with a marketing plan?
If XSX advantages can be less apparent than what is known on paper, can PS5 advantage be also less apparent then on paper?
geordiemp
Member
Could be, but your SSD speeds assume there is no latency, there is more to real world performance than potential speed.
if that were the case a 5 GB game would load in 2 seconds on XSX. Hence my stance for now.
I think MS is working franticaly on their IO apis is my guess and they are not ready yet (or they would of shown faster loading during the fast loading and fast resume demos). Just a guess (logical) but without facts.
DynamiteCop!
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Isn't it obvious? Microsoft is not letting anything out of the box they don't want shown. They are waiting for their event to show off any and every capability of their system and the games that will matter, everything else has just been filler to pass the time and give people something.
Not even 80MB/s, it's 60MB/s lol.
They showed gameplay, there wasn't much of it but there was some mixed in there.
What don't you understand about Microsoft's "E3" isn't until July? Like why does this concept seem to elude you? Why are you not listening when people keep telling you that what they did show in that Inside Xbox episode was merely overflow that they can't fit into their July event?
Why do you not understand that the UE5 demo which was shown runs better than the PlayStation 5 on a PC which is worse than the Series X?
You're making this unnecessarily difficult.
geordiemp
Member
Take the below how you wish, founder of UE.
Yes Ps5 can also be less performant than on paper, but only one supplier has a history of abstract layer apis for backward compatability that was published last gen....
You cant have your cake and eat it. Some benefits have costs.
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M1chl
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Thirty7ven
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Why you making up bullshit though? It’s just like that? You can simply come here and lie your ass off?
What’s the thinking there?You believe you have the mind power to change reality or something?
You’re embarrassing yourself and coming across as a liar. Why the account suicide?
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DynamiteCop!
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This aged well.
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Thirty7ven
Banned
This aged well.
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fpswww.pcgamer.com
But that’s a lie. So the lie isn’t yours, but you don’t mind spreading it, is that it?
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
This again ? You know that Tim Sweeney confirmed at least TWO TIMES it was fake?This aged well.
Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo runs happily on current-gen graphics cards and SSDs
An engineer from Epic China has confirmed performance on a current-gen laptop that seems higher than the PS5's 30fps
Or you think he is lying.
But now for something completely different You and Thirty7even are derailing the thread about jeff grubb and what developers have told him if you want to argue or spread FUD at least do it in the speculation thread where it is supposed to be.
DynamiteCop!
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No it's not.
No he didn't, he said he didn't even understand what they were saying. The reality is it was unsanctioned talk that wasn't approved, but it happened regardless.
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MasterCornholio
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I bought the trilogy on a sale off steam and I'm enjoying it alot.
bitbydeath
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DynamiteCop!
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See you think you've got a grip on this but you don't, they didn't say they were running it on that laptop. They were talking about it while the video of the PS5 footage was playing on the laptop.
They were having a discussion, not showcasing it on the laptop. You guys are really behind on all of this.
geordiemp
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bitbydeath
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So what was your point then?
DynamiteCop!
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This has literally nothing to do with what I just said or what we're talking about.
geordiemp
Member
Yes it is, we have already been through the china translations weeks ago, the mis translation FUD, the crap and then the above final clarification.
Just bring you up to speed.
Yawn this has been done to death.
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Thirty7ven
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Is this another one of your mind over body tricks?
Sorry bub, that don’t work in the real world.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
The point is, this UE5 engine demo is being used as some kind of bastion for the PS5 against the Series X when these engineers from Epic have flagrantly discussed that weaker PC hardware than the Series X is doing exactly what it is without dynamic resolution at 1440p and with a better framerate.
So obviously that leads to the induction in logic that it would be better on the Series X, obviously. I mean does this really need explanation?
There's no mistranslation, multiple people went through all of it, translated it and cross referenced . You're just outright lying because what was said doesn't land in your favor.
You guys from the second this has been shown have been acting like Unreal Engine 5 is PlayStation exclusive, it's embarrassing.
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Kazekage1981
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DynamiteCop!
check your pm
Thirty7ven
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DynamiteCop!
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"with the PS5 managing 30fps at 1440p while the laptop hit 40fps at the same resolution from within the editor itself. "
"The laptop in question is no slouch mind, featuring Nvidia RTX 2080 graphics and a 970 Evo Plus. Epic's CTO, Kim Libreri, has already confirmed to us that you'll get "pretty good" performance with UE5 running on something like an RTX 2070 Super,"
If you say so.
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LeVictorien
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That reply doesn't say much... what is he saying no to?Take the below how you wish, founder of UE.
Yes Ps5 can also be less performant than on paper, but only one supplier has a history of abstract layer apis for backward compatability that was published last gen....
You cant have your cake and eat it. Some benefits have costs.
We don't know if BC will affect next gen performance though...
Tulipanzo
Member
Wow, you speak Chinese now?
I was about to believe the creator of Unreal Engine and CEO of Epic, but clearly we should be looking at Neogaf randos for the truth.
Thirty7ven
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bitbydeath
Member
That’s incorrect and this conversation has been done to death already.
The real answers are in this article.
PS5 SSD Is 'Far Ahead' of High-End PCs, Epic Games CEO Says - IGN
The PlayStation 5 breakthroughs on SSD and storage are ahead of any PC alternatives.
This tweet too.
93xfan
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i don’t think ps5 will be CPU bottlenecked at all. But CPU demanding games will mean lower clocks for the GPU.
XSX also has its own dedicated audio chip too, and the decompression uses 1/10 of a single core.
There are still many unknowns, but that’s my understanding so far.
l3lacklvlagic
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We have been hearing these rumors for months now about how devs are loving the ps5 and from really credible sources yet ppl just want to believe that all of them are lying. Will be pretty funny to look back on this thread in a year.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Alright you will need to listen with open ears I have a good memory of what happened and talk about it with xdefense force or whatever his name was until he changed the goalpoast let's see if you are capable of humility and understand when you are wrong about a simple fact.
Tim Sweeney did say he didn't understand chineese you are right but he did also sais that this was just a video and not running on said laptop you can even check the screen where the video has a .mp4 name as well as media player buttons.
He also tweeted that it wasn't running on a laptop and even said that that fidelity was only possible thanks to the breakthroughs sony did
Read it here
Here Tim explains it is a video
And here explains they showed it on ps5 because it was the best at demonstrating it.
Now be nice, stop spreading bullshitting articles about mistranslation and unless that you have someone with more credibility about an epic created engine Than the CEO of Epic feel free to tell us otherwise let's just end this and move on to a subject in relation to the thread.
Note that I'm not saying the ps5 is better it was just more suited for what they wanted to demonstrate.
I'm looking at facts and am not a fanboy of anything but too much bullshit has been spread here so let's end some of them at least for this thread.
PS5 is RDNA2
Higher clock won't make it surpass the xbox GPU but will slightly lower the difference in some areas.
Xbox SSD is half the speed of Ps5's but is still a great SSD.
That inside Xbox was a reveal of the series X gameplay for some and not other however labled it was at this point it is just personal interpretations.Both arguments are valid.
It's not because it is a published article that it is true.
None of this should've been brought up if we had talked about in the speculation thread where it belongs.
You seem to obtuse to be honest and at this point are closed to be ignored simply because to show that you are honest you need to make concessions sometimes it at least show that you are open minded and worth having a discussions with. Rehearsing same point to hear the same points again is tiring accept that you won't change your mind neither change other people's opinion.
I'm not a mod or anything and understand if a mod want to warn or ban me if I overstepped my rights but you guys are tiring arguing the same thing over and over in every thread.
You. know. where. to. do. it.
DynamiteCop!
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Tim Sweeney is not an engineer on the engine by the way, just figured you should know that much at least.
But it's not, there's already SSD's available TODAY that nearly match it. In a matter of months there will be some which eclipse it by 3GB/s or more.That’s incorrect and this conversation has been done to death already.
The real answers are in this article.
PS5 SSD Is 'Far Ahead' of High-End PCs, Epic Games CEO Says - IGN
The PlayStation 5 breakthroughs on SSD and storage are ahead of any PC alternatives.www.ign.com
This tweet too.
You can buy this right now, you're getting too caught up in this marketing.
bitbydeath
Member
Tim Sweeney is not an engineer on the engine by the way, just figured you should know that much at least.
But it's not, there's already SSD's available TODAY that nearly match it. In a matter of months there will be some which eclipse it by 3GB/s or more.
You can buy this right now, you're getting too caught up in this marketing.
SSD’s aren’t the full picture with the PS5. Also Tim directly cited whole system performance.
Trueblakjedi
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XBox has developers... who helped develop the XSX.... just not a single notable focal point like Cerny.
SleepDoctor
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LeVictorien
Banned
The way Sweeny talks screams "I'm on a marketing deal preventing me from saying things like XSX can or cannot run that demo as well as on PS5"... why so evasive?
Tulipanzo
Member
So that's a no on speaking Chinese.
But sure, what does a veteran engineer with decades of experience know about the engine his company is making and he presented.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Tim Sweeney is not an engineer on the engine by the way, just figured you should know that much at least.
But it's not, there's already SSD's available TODAY that nearly match it. In a matter of months there will be some which eclipse it by 3GB/s or more.
You can buy this right now, you're getting too caught up in this marketing.
I've noticed a lot of console people have never heard on NVMe PCIe SSDs and think it's some kind of magic that is made up just for the new systems.
93xfan
Banned
Did you watch the UE5 demo and the culling / PRT/ partial vertex geometry ?
You think thats being quiet lol. That demo did everything in 1 showing.
You dont need to use lots of terms like VRS, mesh shading, just show it working, MS love taking standard features and giving them their own term for DX12.
Show dont talk.
By the way, VRR is a feature of HDMI 2.1
meant VRS (variable rate shading), not VRR. Sorry.
Also VRR is supported with 2.1, but not every 2.1 device will have it. I expect the PS5 will have VRR though.
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DynamiteCop!
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That's not what he said. He said and I quote.
"Sony’s storage architecture is far ahead of “the best SSD solution you can buy on PC today."
This is true, but just barely, and in a matter of months it won't be true whatsoever. I mean is no one going to address the reality that Sony's SSD can just be removed from the system and replaced with a PC M.2 drive? I mean you're removing this crazy custom SSD that only Sony could ever dream of creating and replacing with an off the shelf part, and it will work just fine replacing it entirely, and I'm supposed to take all this off the wall PR seriously?
Come on guys...
He's even said that he doesn't understand most of what his engineers are capable of doing, and that they're wizards. He's a pretty humble guy who obviously transitioned from developer to owner and didn't stay in the trenches.
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godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
The PS5 dev kits went out earlier for third parties. These people live from the attention, there is nothing here to argue about. How I miss the days when we wouldn’t make threads over random tweets that told us nothing.
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jimbojim
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But it is. "NEARLY match it" isn't enough for PS5. Last year, Cerny said there is no SSD available on the market right now. And till this date, he is still right. Btw., that Sabren SSD won't work in PS5 because it's still slow. Maybe Samsumg 980 Pro will get the certificate for PS5
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