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[Blue Spring]

what ever you say fanboy, I mean fanboys should be experts on low iq

Stop being toxic.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

What a strange stance to take, there is a single-player campaign in this as well, don't exclude things because it does not reflect to good on xbox's narrative. Besides sony's controller is for the whole generation, not just bits and pieces of it. It def stands and it's important, casuals adore the damn thing.

Let's weigh up the results and look at them.

The games are basically par with xbox putting all their chips into their system and reaching performance equality with the Ps5

When you consider the ps5 has a better controller and a faster ssd for loading times, and you can pick up the digital version of the console for 100 bucks less, this is yet another win for sony i am afraid.

Infact it's not even close. Xbox spent their cash on hardware and failing to beat sony while Sony has all the goodies, is not a good look,

why would you want the same version with fewer perks to play with?

Parity is not your friend if you are an xbox owner, i am sorry there is no way around it, you meant to be smoking these comparisons with your hardware that's in your system, you are not. If you want to play the game on whos won this, its another lose, play station once again is punching far above its weight.

its just the reality of it all,

Does this make xbox a bad system, no it's still good, but you're pulling a fast one over people by claiming you won?

The war continues but this battle is once again won by Sony, onto the next we go

I don't give a shit about Xbox. You are the fanboy here. I'm just pointing out all the dumb bullshit you both do. Acting like you better than anyone is pretty funny. At least the other Warrior bitches here have the decency to just post a dumb picture while you have the audacity to make me read several paragraphs of fanboy drivel.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Damn, another win for PS5. Based Cerny.

In your unfounded reality maybe

 

[Unknown?]

LMAO, even with toolkit issues XSX runs better with RT enabled than PS5. Guess when they finalized it, the true console war will start.

This shows there was no toolkit problem. Even Dirt 5 dev says so.

 

[01011001]

Stop being toxic.

take a deep breath!

 

[MasterCornholio]

This shows there was no toolkit problem. Even Dirt 5 dev says so.

Could be just an excuse if there are never any massive differences between the two systems. From what I've seen of the comparisons they seem on par with each other.

 

[Greggy]

I'm a software engineer with 20 years experience and a director at my work. I love the work they do but they are hardly "technically minded" in a true sense. I don't mean that with disrespect, but they are more akin to movie critics than engineers. Again, no disrespect. But doing the work is two orders of magnitude more difficult than knowing buzzwords and measuring frame rates.

That sounded way worse than I meant it.

I didn't call them engineers either so we agree on that. Technically minded I think they literally are.
They should be allowed to provide commentary that they judge objective on their own youtube channel without being called a disgrace to science.

 

[Blue Spring]

In your unfounded reality maybe

Unfounded? Based on VG tech statistics the PS5 stays at locked 120fps 2.25 percent points over Series X while Series X stays at locked 60fps only 0.03 percent points over the PS5. Thats a win for PS5 in itself but taking into account that the PS5 version can be played on a superior controller with unique features, missing graphical features (smoke from shooting a gun) on Series X the win gets only bigger.

Now go ahead and present your "reality".

 

[Chukhopops]

What I find interesting is that the VGTech excel file shows PS5 having a total of 9 frames at lower frame time in the entire test while DF has three separate occurrences of PS5 dropping frame rate for over 1 second if you look at the screenshots posted.

Either they tested different scenes entirely or something doesn’t add up between the two measurements - they cannot be showing the same situation.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The XSX runs better in the mode which 95%+ of gamers will use and it feels better in 120hz mode if you have VRR. Overall a slight win.

I gotta say I'm impressed with the devs here, such a gorgeous game and it runs almost flawlessly.

 

[jroc74]

This shows there was no toolkit problem. Even Dirt 5 dev says so.

Bingo.

 

[MasterCornholio]

What I find interesting is that the VGTech excel file shows PS5 having a total of 9 frames at lower frame time in the entire test while DF has three separate occurrences of PS5 dropping frame rate for over 1 second if you look at the screenshots posted.

Either they tested different scenes entirely or something doesn’t add up between the two measurements - they cannot be showing the same situation.

Either the data is fake or they are running a different version of the game.

I can't think of anything else to be honest.

 

[Halo is Back]

 

[nyr88nyg]

3-0 now?

 

[Legenscary]

take a deep breath!

Fixed:

 

[MrMephistoX]

Guys need to chill Microsoft just waiting for the tools. Xbox gamers were waiting for exclusives now they waiting for exclusives and tools. Everything is coming later.

It’s the new “ Wait for Spaceworld” isn’t it?

 

[Handy Fake]

Either the data is fake or they are running a different version of the game.

I can't think of anything else to be honest.

Or it's unconnected to the hardware and is just a bug. Seems different folk are having different experiences and I wonder what would happen if DF ran the PS5 test again to see if the drops happen in the same places.

This is an odd one to me.

 

[jroc74]

3-0 now?

Not quite.

Fedex delivered the toolkit on time this time.

 

[RoadHazard]

Those drops down to around 40 on PS5 are not pretty! Sony needs to fix those tools ASAP...

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Proper analysis from VGTech with numbers so we don't have to rely on unusual drops and screenshots and....PS5 is identical to Series X in 60fps but slightly ahead in 120fps

@Riky condolences, take another L

Is that only 8 minutes of gameplay? I would want a lot more to actually consider it statistically correct to something as dynamic as a video game.

 

[huraga]

Unfounded? Based on VG tech statistics the PS5 stays at locked 120fps 2.25 percent points over Series X while Series X stays at locked 60fps only 0.03 percent points over the PS5. Thats a win for PS5 in itself but taking into account that the PS5 version can be played on a superior controller with unique features, missing graphical features (smoke from shooting a gun) on Series X the win gets only bigger.

Now go ahead and present your "reality".

The thing is, What matters more? 10 to 15 fps in 120 or 8-10 fps in 60. It´s obvious.

Also I think nobody in the world can notice the difference between 100 and 120 fps, human eye can´t do that. Even I think from 60 fps above it´s almost impossible to notice it.

120fps is marketing!

 

[ethomaz]

So one console is better in one mode and the other console is better in the other mode.

So its basically the same

Why does this thread have 9 pages lol?

Because it is somehow a Xbox win

 

[Blue Spring]

MDSLKTR You gonna make a case for your "reality" or can I take your laugh reaction to my post as a way to concede?

 

[DavidGzz]

Because it is somehow a Xbox win

The whole first page is full of people jumping all over the "PS wins" and "stop he's already dead" posts before anyone even watched the video so maybe acknowledge there is BS on both sides.

 

[thelastword]

So it seems Morgan can actually count rez in 120Hz mode and he was trying to teach his colleague, who shot him down....."It only works sometimes, it's hard"...


Anyways, PS5 seems to have better lighting and textures and IQ pops more, like the rez is more consistent there.....With these two improvements over Series X, I think it's quite impressive on PS5...Perhaps in cutscenes these better effects are taking point.....Look at the locker door in that one scene, the light there is more intense on the PS5 version, same can be seen in the indoor sections.....Look at all the neon in the bar, look how it pops more on PS5.....Also there's a video online where PS5 has smoke and effects from gunfire over Series X.....

 

[killatopak]

Series S continue to disappoint.

I expected at least 900p at 60fps with RT or 120fps without RT.

 

[Blond]

Bro y’all better hope the ones talking shit don’t have it backfire in their face when developers get hold on the system. Saying as PS5 owner, this doesn’t make sense.

 

[Blue Spring]

The thing is, What matters more? 10 to 15 fps in 120 or 8-10 fps in 60. It´s obvious.

Also I think nobody in the world can notice the difference between 100 and 120 fps, human eye can´t do that. Even I think from 60 fps above it´s almost impossible to notice it.

120fps is marketing!

In both scenarios framerate dips are not big enough that the vast majority of people will be able to pick up as long as the consoles are able to recover from it fast enough. What truly matters is how often the framerate drops and how long the framerate stays under the target framerate. Of course that excludes real heavy dips into the thirties or below but thats clearly not the case here.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

Either the data is fake or they are running a different version of the game.

I can't think of anything else to be honest.

Vgtech is only 8 minutes of data.
I think

 

[MasterCornholio]

Vgtech is only 8 minutes of data.
I think

That makes sense but then again Digital Foundry said it maintains a locked 60FPs 95% of the time. It wouldn't be odd if VGtechs numbers are similar to the rest of the game.

 

[skneogaf]

Another embarrassing defeat for xbx lol, whats the point of buying this again, plz dont talk about 60fps being a little better, its the 120fps that matters anyway as that is the mode that pushing the hardware. Xbox falls short again lol.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Another embarrassing defeat for xbx lol, whats the point of buying this again, plz dont talk about 60fps being a little better, its the 120fps that matters anyway as that is the mode that pushing the hardware. Xbox falls short again lol.

Is this real?

4K/60 WITH Ray Tracing doesn’t push the GPU?

cmon bro.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Thankfully it's pretty rare. Nothing I would call embarrassing.

 

[FairXchange]

Well, I have just watched the video and the performance on XSX is better. What happened with all the Cerny’s secret sauce?

The sauce tastes best at 120hz.

 

[MDSLKTR]

MDSLKTR You gonna make a case for your "reality" or can I take your laugh reaction to my post as a way to concede?

I see in which thread you hang out but I'll bite junior. Pay attention to the first pages:

Also I'll bet my left nut you don't have a 120hz display and/or don't know wtf VRR is because you sound ridiculous, and triggers are cute but turned off in mp where 95% of playing time is done in a cod

 

[Halo is Back]

*Xbox runs marginally better at 60fps with RT

*PS5 runs marginally better at 120fps no RT.


Playstation and Xbox fans right now...

 

[THE DUCK]

Since 99% of people who own these machines don't have a 120hz display, this is a clear victory for series x. I guess we can throw out all the garbage from that other thread now, right?
I mean some people were ready to declare the ps5 a winner based on 2 crappy ports, what not declare absolute and final victory here for series X, only seems fair.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

MDSLKTR You gonna make a case for your "reality" or can I take your laugh reaction to my post as a way to concede?

Your reality relies on seven and a half minutes of captured footage, none of which include the deep FPS drops DF have found in their going through the entirety of the game on each console. Laughing at you is letting you off nicely.

 

[NullZ3r0]

How come? Do we have any evidence?

Yeah, the Xbox Series X is more powerful than the PS5. That should be enough evidence unless you believe in black magic or you're a frothing at the mouth fanboy.

 

[Redlancet]

Because it is somehow a Xbox win

nah dualsense in this game makes xbox version a inferior one

Yeah, the Xbox Series X is more powerful than the PS5. That should be enough evidence unless you believe in black magic or you're a frothing at the mouth fanboy.

well,we have evidence on a lot of third party games being better on ps5,so tell us

 

[skneogaf]

Thankfully it's pretty rare. Nothing I would call embarrassing.

I absolutely agree, I just enjoy going against ps fanatics.

I play 90 percent on pc.

 

[huraga]

So it seems Morgan can actually count rez in 120Hz mode and he was trying to teach his colleague, who shot him down....."It only works sometimes, it's hard"...


Anyways, PS5 seems to have better lighting and textures and IQ pops more, like the rez is more consistent there.....With these two improvements over Series X, I think it's quite impressive on PS5...Perhaps in cutscenes these better effects are taking point.....Look at the locker door in that one scene, the light there is more intense on the PS5 version, same can be seen in the indoor sections.....Look at all the neon in the bar, look how it pops more on PS5.....Also there's a video online where PS5 has smoke and effects from gunfire over Series X.....

What are you smoking? please give some of that, it´s so good!

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

So, I looked at the vgtech comparison - in around 12 scenes, the PS5 version didn’t drop any frame at 60fps/RT. Looks like Digital Foundry can only claim bug when it’s the XSX version that flounders.

 

[OverHeat]

Play on the platform that your friends games on and be happy. Solid port on both consoles.

 

[longdi]

Ouch. Cod and dmc5 seems to show a glimpse of what SX can deliver over time. At best graphics settings, we are seeing a small but consistent win on SX.

It also seems 120hz on SX may need more mature dev/profiling tools. Normally, you win max settings, you win high fps too. It's unlikely a cpu bottleneck for SX.

Can't wait for wave2 of next gen games, devs will get more time they need to utilize MS GDK.

 

[huraga]

nah dualsense in this game makes xbox version a inferior one



well,we have evidence on a lot of third party games being better on ps5,so tell us

I can say the same about dualsense, it has the sticks in the bottom and it´s a big issue to play in competitive games, also this gamepad is very heavy and big.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I absolutely agree, I just enjoy going against ps fanatics.

I play 90 percent on pc.

I had to watch the video myself because from the comments I thought it was the average performance of the PS5 version. It's not the first time I was filled by pictures of advantages on either platform.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

If the analysis from DF is correct, it seems to me like the cu count of the series X will have an impact on raytracing performance.

Because AMD’s raytracing solution is using RT acceleration on a per CU level it totally makes sense. I can imagine this will be the use trend this generation. Its just so awesome that we get these RDNA2 level gpu’ s in our next gen consoles and while ray tracing performance is probably not going to be out of this world I’m all for only having ray traced GI and shadows over crazy reflections full ray tracing. I feel like Ray Traced GI and shadows is so much more important to the overall image than ssao although devs are getting pretty good at faking things these days so I dunno. It will all come down to a per game basis. I can’t wait to see what some of the Sony first parties do with this tech.

 

[Redlancet]

no dualsense support =peasant version

 

[FrankWza]

Why does this thread have 9 pages lol?

15 or so posters were “on vacation /busy/away for thanksgiving/taking a break/busy with so/rearranging their sock drawers/family time/spending me time/holiday shopping “ for a week, now they’re back, ALL at ONCE miraculously.