KingXtreme81
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What a mess, OP.
Embarrassing, really.
Yikes.
Embarrassing, really.
Yikes.
I think PC will be your best bet if you dont want streaming, only because the hardware is just as important to a lot of PC gamers as the games themselves, with whole benchmarking sub cultures on PC. Plus the likes of Nvidia, AMD, and Intel etc certainly wont be pushing for a streaming ONLY future on PC, as their whole business revolves around hardware.OH HECKS NAW! If 20 years from now everything will be streaming only, then I'm OUT! I'm okay with paying for a subscription, but at least give me a way to download the games. Geez.
They should be chasing both honestly. Add steam to the mix as well with its tons of indies. They need several more studios( at least a dozen of all sizes), they need better support for the UI, they need a streaming service to put eventually everywhere since I think eventually streaming will kill consoles. They just won't put down the money to get it done though. It makes certain sense why change things up this quickly when you are going to be making bank now and in the near future.Yes. They are trying to chase Microsoft and Stadia (services) while they should chase Nintendo (content), which they were mostly doing with success, that is, before Jim.
streaming will probably be more of a thing in the future as a way to combat piracy most likely. I think half the reason Nintendo hasn't gone into full steaming is because the majority of the world isn't ready for it. Consoles will go the way of blockbuster.Sometimes you have to evolve to keep with the times. Everything is going subscription service, its just thw way it is as high speed internet keeps getting better and more widespread.
Its like streaming. Probably 99% of us dont want it for gaming, but its inevitable that 20 years from now streaming will be gaming. Possibly not on PC, but there certainly wont be major consoles anmore, outside of niche retro style consoles.
You want it, go pay $20/mth. Where's all the graphic artists complaining?
Tell that to Amazon and all thier subscription products.lol the fuck? bitch I'm complaining RIGHT NOW lol jk
I still use PS6 and I'm NEVER updating to that new shit lol Look, I don't mind subscription for stuff like Netflix, Amazon Prime etc as I've had them to for a decade plus, but I'm not renting my games, I'm not paying per month for PS or illustrator etc. EVERYTHING doesn't need to be a subscription.
Be like "box subscription of Peanut Brittle" , some shit you don't NEED a subscription for.
But for combating piracy, cant companies still just do normal online like Diablo?They should be chasing both honestly. Add steam to the mix as well with its tons of indies. They need several more studios( at least a dozen of all sizes), they need better support for the UI, they need a streaming service to put eventually everywhere since I think eventually streaming will kill consoles. They just won't put down the money to get it done though. It makes certain sense why change things up this quickly when you are going to be making bank now and in the near future.
streaming will probably be more of a thing in the future as a way to combat piracy most likely. I think half the reason Nintendo hasn't gone into full steaming is because the majority of the world isn't ready for it. Consoles will go the way of blockbuster.
Ah good point, Xbox has a ton of great studios now with rumors of even more being added and it's driven by Game Pass. In the next year or 2 when they start hitting we Xbros/girls are going to be flooded with AAA exclusive games.You sure you've thought this through @ Bryank75 ? If there is one thing that necessitates the need for more studios and more content it is a subscription service. Just look what it has done to MS in regards to studio acquisition.
Well Nintendo kind of live in their own bubble, and do their own thing. I actually wouldnt be surprised if Nintendo still keep producing consoles 30 years rom now. I doubt that, but i wouldnt be surprised.They should be chasing both honestly. Add steam to the mix as well with its tons of indies. They need several more studios( at least a dozen of all sizes), they need better support for the UI, they need a streaming service to put eventually everywhere since I think eventually streaming will kill consoles. They just won't put down the money to get it done though. It makes certain sense why change things up this quickly when you are going to be making bank now and in the near future.
streaming will probably be more of a thing in the future as a way to combat piracy most likely. I think half the reason Nintendo hasn't gone into full steaming is because the majority of the world isn't ready for it. Consoles will go the way of blockbuster.
Thats probably the biggest insult you could say to Bryank. How could you?Thanks for the update Jim Ryan.
Well Nintendo kind of live in their own bubble, and do their own thing. I actually wouldnt be surprised if Nintendo still keep producing consoles 30 years rom now. I doubt that, but i wouldnt be surprised.
I think PC will be your best bet if you dont want streaming, only because the hardware is just as important to a lot of PC gamers as the games themselves, with whole benchmarking sub cultures on PC. Plus the likes of Nvidia, AMD, and Intel etc certainly wont be pushing for a streaming ONLY future on PC, as their whole business revolves around hardware.
On consoles though, i expect one more generation after current gen (and the end of that gen will be like 15 or 16 years from now). Possibly 2 more gens, but i'm certain 2 more gens is the absolute limit.
TV's are important though, its your entertainment hub. The reason why this idea of a box screen in you living room hasnt changed much in 80 years.I just don't see why Sony would NOT want hardware to be important to them (in the gaming space). It's literally what Sony is best at. From TVs and DVD players, to video game consoles\VR headsets, and mobile devices. They'd be throwing money away if they went away from hardware in the gaming space in 2035.
That is also is a major possibility since they market mainly to kids. The reason I think that they might go the streaming route is cause Japan and mobile game domination over there. I could easily see younger developers try to push this at Nintendo.Well Nintendo kind of live in their own bubble, and do their own thing. I actually wouldnt be surprised if Nintendo still keep producing consoles 30 years rom now. I doubt that, but i wouldnt be surprised.
But why do that when you can pretty much control everything from their side without someone potentially stealing and modding a fix to your game.But for combating piracy, cant companies still just do normal online like Diablo?
Supposedly, D3 is hard to pirate because the server does the randomness and loot. It's not baked into offline code. So for the game to work properly, someone needs to be online.
Cant devs do some kind of mandatory part that requires the server to handle an important gameplay part, or else it doesn't work well offline?
TV's are important though, its your entertainment hub. The reason why this idea of a box screen in you living room hasnt changed much in 80 years.
A console isnt a must though. You can stream games to your TV hub. Its not what Sony wants, its what consumers want, and Consumers are lazy and want simplicity and ease of use, which subscriptions seervices, streaming services, offer.
It seems obvious that Sony are working on a competitor to Gamepass or a re-imagining of PSNow....
However, based on being a PlayStation fan for the longest time they are just terrible at services and it is not within their core competencies.
PS5 has been out months now and UI updates are few and far between, changing next to nothing.
Customer service is atrociously bad and is historically notorious among gamers, trying to get a refund is like trying to get blood out of a stone and they have run afoul of authorities several times for denying consumer rights.
When you try and raise concerns on twitter or there is some type of negative backlash, Sony executives and employees bury their heads in the sand and ignore it rather than engage and try and improve.
I could go on and on, we have all experienced how bad services are on PlayStation.
What PlayStation do well is mass produce hardware targeting prices and sku's and making them very desirable on a global scale. They also have traditionally managed creative initiatives like making games and films etc.
If PlayStation come out, thinking a new service like Gamepass is going to take-off, I think they are hugely mistaken.
No PS fans want a new service, we want new studios... we want more exclusives and we want them to be full exclusive.
The direction is all wrong and PS management doesn't listen or have a clue.
You said this in another thread about a gamepass competitor from Sony. So are you for it or against it?It should already be a thing, I really don't know what is slowing them down.
PSNow is also not in every region, so they need to sort that out first.
They are also one of the biggest music companies, so for 15 dollars, they could probably get a deal to roll Spotify in there too.
They really could have a huge monopoly on entertainment subscription services but they just seem to be content to sell their shows, music and films to other services.
Did you really have to change our nice little convo into a console war?. Consumers dictate at the end of the dya. If they dont want streams and services, we will see over the next 20 years or so. Consumers have all the power at the end of the day. They will have final say, but you only have to look at Music, TV, and Movies to see where gaming will be going.Do they though? Or are you afraid that's what consumers want? Because it's Playstation and Nintendo that's dominating the video games space worldwide. And they are doing it on the backs of physical consoles, physical media, and physical add-on hardware.
It comes off as if Sony themselves aren’t as hyped or excited as they were in the previous gems. Whereas MS come off as being the most excited and happiest they’ve ever been, even if they came out of a gen where they lost so much compared to the 360 era.Yea, I'll always be a Sony fanboy in a way just because of my love for the PSX, PS2, and PS3 but the PS4 never did much for me. Got into it late, didn't buy too many games. Just didn't grab me like their previous consoles did. Same with the PS5 so far. I'll definitely be getting one at some point but I feel like Sony is missing something that made them so exciting in previous generations. I am glad that they were able to get Insomniac though, very smart of them.
I find it bizarre. PlayStation is killing it atm. People are just knit-picking. OP prolly works in burger king yet thinks he can run PlayStation lmao get the fuck outta hereIt's weird how people hate Jim so much considering the record numbers Playstation is putting up now.
we want more exclusives and we want them to be full exclusive.
That’s the thing I don’t understand. Surely all these people complaining about Gamepass know by now that every other media has gone the subscription route. And surely they are also Spotify, Netflix, Prime, Audible etc etc customers. Even stuff like coffee and razor blades work with subscription models now.Yup.
Adobe hasn't sold Photoshop for $500-1000 for years. You want it, go pay $20/mth. Where's all the graphic artists complaining?
As for games, streaming and sub plans are options. Every game can still be bought on disc, digital, and for the bigger titles on console both. PC is different as there's almost no boxed copies left (maybe some for big name games but what you get in the box is probably still a digital code anyway).
Now if people want to complain later that games are being put behind a sub plan only brick wall then complain.
But then again, dont complain too much, because thats no different than NF, Spotify or your local cable TV. Those are sub plans too. Yet people have no problem paying those monthly fees instead of buying out content from Amazon or a digital download service for $20 per program.
That's a really good way of describing it.It comes off as if Sony themselves aren’t as hyped or excited as they were in the previous gems. Whereas MS come off as being the most excited and happiest they’ve ever been, even if they came out of a gen where they lost so much compared to the 360 era.
Exactly this, people want options.That’s the thing I don’t understand. Surely all these people complaining about Gamepass know by now that every other media has gone the subscription route. And surely they are also Spotify, Netflix, Prime, Audible etc etc customers. Even stuff like coffee and razor blades work with subscription models now.
You can’t ask Sony to go full Blockbuster and just ignore the change in consumption models and just keep on doing the same things. That’s how companies once on top of the hill go bust.
You can stream games to your TV hub. Its not what Sony wants, its what consumers want
It’s just a dick measuring contest with full exclusives, plus people been laughing at Xbox saying they don’t have exclusives because they are on PC. Now Sony is doing it to they want to save face with all the trolling They did to Xbox fans. Company’s want to make money and will put games on pc if there is money in itWhy do some of you insist that having "full" exclusives is so important? Does it really matter if Sony decides to release Horizon/Ratchet or whatever on Steam a year or two after it comes out? At that point, people who are really interested in the game will buy a PS5 if need be and Sony will be getting some extra cash out of the PC crowd who will go nowhere near consoles anyway. It's a win-win for everybody; more people get to play the games and they get more revenue, which surely gives Sony incentive to develop bigger, better games in greater quantities or in shorter timespans.
This stubborn selfishness will never stop baffling me -- I don't see anything good coming out from wishing something like that so fervently that you have a proper go at someone online just because they say they'd love to play Bloodborne on PC.
I'm talking over the next 20 years or so, as everything starts moving over to subscriptions and streaming. Again look at whats happend with Music, TV, and Movies. There is no reason why it wont happen with gaming, especially as with gaming you have to spend a decent amount of time downloading a game, compared to say streaming where you will be playing instantly.? Sony made PS Now though....a streaming service for games. Clearly enough customers don't really want it considering how little actually use it. If soooooo many customers wanted this, what on earth happened with that Steam box thing?
Yup.Exactly this, people want options.
PSnow only has 2 million subscribers where as gamepass is well over 18 million. Microsoft doing those numbers with half the player base on console. Sony missing out on huge chunks of cash
It seems obvious that Sony are working on a competitor to Gamepass or a re-imagining of PSNow....
However, based on being a PlayStation fan for the longest time they are just terrible at services and it is not within their core competencies.
PS5 has been out months now and UI updates are few and far between, changing next to nothing.
Customer service is atrociously bad and is historically notorious among gamers, trying to get a refund is like trying to get blood out of a stone and they have run afoul of authorities several times for denying consumer rights.
When you try and raise concerns on twitter or there is some type of negative backlash, Sony executives and employees bury their heads in the sand and ignore it rather than engage and try and improve.
I could go on and on, we have all experienced how bad services are on PlayStation.
What PlayStation do well is mass produce hardware targeting prices and sku's and making them very desirable on a global scale. They also have traditionally managed creative initiatives like making games and films etc.
If PlayStation come out, thinking a new service like Gamepass is going to take-off, I think they are hugely mistaken.
No PS fans want a new service, we want new studios... we want more exclusives and we want them to be full exclusive.
The direction is all wrong and PS management doesn't listen or have a clue.
With streaming, what we lose out on is the ability to play content offline. This is why I don't think streaming will ever become the default way or the only option.Sometimes you have to evolve to keep with the times. Everything is going subscription service, its just thw way it is as high speed internet keeps getting better and more widespread.
Its like streaming. Probably 99% of us dont want it for gaming, but its inevitable that 20 years from now streaming will be gaming. Possibly not on PC, but there certainly wont be major consoles anmore, outside of niche retro style consoles.
Listen i dont want streaming either. Imo our only hope is that my '20 year' thought ends up being way wrong, and its more like 30-40 years, in whihc case i will be an old man by then lol.With streaming, what we lose out on is the ability to play content offline. This is why I don't think streaming will ever become the default way or the only option.
Streaming offers convenience and I understand that most of the time, convenience will always win out over other things but I don't think it will replace downloads 100%. There is a real possibility that it can and that is scary. I personally hope that it never comes to that.
Microsoft understood that (or how I took it), the reason why they introduced Game Pass with downloads and added streaming to it later compared to Sony who started with streaming and added downloads later.
Yup.
GP subs are growing so much it means people are sticking. Whether it's buying Gold and doing $1 top ups or paying reg price because they have no idea that $1 top works like that it doesn't matter.
GP subs are growing like crazy despite Xbox console sales being lousy last bunch of years.
And I don't want to hear any BS answers like it's the same people doing free trials who are making new Xbox profiles every month. There's only so many people in the world who go through that hassle. That's like saying there's nobody paying for Netflix because everyone is making new profiles with a new gmail account for their free introductory month.
Just googled it. The free month in USA/Canada ended last fall.I've never even hear of that Netflix trick. Yeah, on the 1$ deal everyone mentions it when it comes to profits but like you said folks are eventually just going to be lazy and just pay the regular gamepass price one day.