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[rodrigolfp]

no seething, I'm typing this out on a 3070 RTX laptop and when it comes to gaming, my PS5+55 Oled wins out every time, but when comparing the massive price differential between PC+Consoles, the difference in graphics are not 2 to 3x the leap they should be considering the price

Because the difference in gaming experiences are far from being only graphics.

 

[yamaci17]

It’s not the same thing. In the living room I have a comfy couch, big TV and projector, Atmos AVR. I don’t want to invest in all that for the PC. Plus, I honestly don’t want my noisy PC in the living room either, so consoles will stay winning for certain games for me. I’ve dabbled with in-house streaming and GFN as well, but… Nah.

you can always make your PC quieter by undervolting GPU+CPU and setting a less aggresive fan profile for your components. these components are hard wired to run at maximum voltages for maximum potential performance. my PC is practically at series x levels of quietness even in heavy games. that is achieveable, but you have to leave some performance at the table

tho you can simply say you dont want to bother with that stuff and i'd respect your choice. that's why I accept this reasoning as a valid fundamental reason for people choosing consoles over PCs. but yeah there are still solutions you can find if you want to go through a couple hoops

by sacrificing 200 mhz on my gpu and 300 mhz on my CPU, i managed to make my rocket of a PC to nearly dead silent. it just works tbh.

 

[Nemesisuuu]

Because the difference in gaming experiences are far from being only graphics.

Let's not forget all the things you can do on PC, while consoles, at the end of the day - are just toys.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

noisy PC

My PS5 is louder than my PC. Both devices are on my desk. Coil whine in the PS5 makes is audible.

My previous PC (pre-build) was so fucking loud it was driving me crazy.

Speaking of games that are much better on PC. Horizon Zero Dawn. You can get crazy frames at 4k with DLSS (which looks amazing in this game as well as in Death Stranding), higher FOV and additional graphical features. Plays crazy good.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Let's not forget all the things you can do on PC, while consoles, at the end of the day - are just toys.

I am even considering the value for gaming only. If we put value in non gaming stuff, consoles are overpriced AF or pc is cheap AF.

 

[Hugare]

with the ability to disable vsync completely and have a frame limit + VRR, most games will practically be smoother and snappier to play on PC

you might find it funny but... gta iv. it runs at 720p/60 fps on series x or 4k 30 fps (weird, right?). and have the weird old blur filter which rockstar used to hide jaggies at 720p resolution (even on the 4k enhanced mode). practically it looks very bad on xbox one x/series x. and if you want the 60 fps mode, you are tied to 720p resolution which is antique. draw distance is also limited just like xbox 360 version

on PC, you can use vulkan wrapper to make the game ultimately fine with alttabbing (dont alttab in cutscenes), have a seamless 120 fps (very rare compilation stutters and they go away after you play the game for a while), get 4k 60 fps with high draw distance.

i practically use VRR+4k/120 unlocked uncapped and remastered the GTA IV myself. this is simply not a thing that you can do on console

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sx is similar to 2080 which is not far from my rig (3070). im able to get 4k 100-130 fps depending on the scene with high details,

take a look at how sx runs this game:



now look at the beauty above...


if a proper effort was done: gta 4 would at least run at 1620p/60 fps with the blur filter off. the end result is just horrific.

I'm with you on this one. That's why I recommend this community patch that restores a lot of 360 effects. For me it's a must to enjoy GTA IV on PC.

http://[URL][URL][URL]https://www.definitive-edition-project.com/iv-de

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GTA IV is another amazing example of a game that offers a completely different experience on PC

I played it on the 360 and PS3 but never finished. It looked and ran like absolute ass.

Other Rockstar games during that generation werent as problematic: RDR ran poorly but was amazing looking, same with GTA V

Years later I bought it on PC, and as we all know, the port sucks. My PC Couldnt handle it.

Now that I have a better PC, I brute-forced it, and my God, it feels good to play it as it was intended by the devs

Didnt know about this Definitive Edition, MidGenRefresh . Thank you, will download it later today.

What's the "vulkan wrapper", yamaci17 ?

 

[yamaci17]

Because the difference in gaming experiences are far from being only graphics.

this is a hard point to sell unless they're interested in those advantages PC supposed to bring. this is why these discussions are doomed forever to be never resolved. we're interested in those advantages, whereas they may be not.

at this point it is clearly understood that people want 2x time performance if they're going to pay 2x more money for a PC. that's why they should stick to consoles. that is not happening unless 4070 is not being sold for scalp prices. (but they also dismiss the point of 970. even 1.8 times more performance 7 years into the GPU's life is not good enough for them)

i could make a case that rtx 3070 at 4k with dlss quality provides %60-80 more performance over a PS5 game that runs at native 4k with similar image quality, but that's also a hard point to sell, since it is not possible to know which game gets DLSS or not

 

[Nemesisuuu]

I am even considering the value for gaming only. If we put value in non gaming stuff, consoles are overpriced AF or pc is cheap AF.

It just comes with the package. If you have good gaming PC, the sky is the limit with other stuff.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Unless the PORT is shitty then all of them. No exception.

 

[RJMacready73]

paying 2x price at this point is just a bare minimum. you either pay more, or don't get a PC at all.

example? series s is 300 bucks. and has 4 tflops. 500 bucks get you 12 tflops. do you think it is logical? it is. there's a huge base price for building a console as is.

you can find a 600 bucks laptop with a shitty integrated GPU. then you can find a laptop with a rtx 3060 in in t for 1000 bucks. for 400 bucks, you're gimping the laptop big time. its just the nature of PCs. consoles in the end will get your money regardless through:

- more expensive games (due to them having a single store for respective consoles)
- yearly subscriptions for online services

if you're gamer, you gotta spend some money on stuff regardless. that's simple.

you can say that it is uncomfortable to use PC on a couch living room setup, and I'd gladly agree with you. you can say you had bad experiences on PC launching games, stability issues, I would wholeheartedly say, you did the right thing by choosing console. you say you hate ue4 compilation stutters, i'd gladly give you %100 props for choosing console over PC. you simply say that console makes you more nostalgic and lets you enjoy video games more, then I can say, you did the best for yourself. you can say its a hassle to build a PC and make it come alive, i can agree. it is a research process to build a PC for some folks until you shell out huge money to prebuilt PCs which I'm completely against. you can say cooling and tweaking the system is a hassle, which I'd agree. making your own built PC more quiet like a console is also a hassle, I'd have to agree (it is possible to do, its just not readily doable like you get on consoles, you understand me?). i'm giving you lots of fair and reasonable points for choosing a console over PC

bringing price into the discussion? that's just coping at its best. it simply doesn't work. it simply cannot be a main deciding factor when you're deciding on a console or a PC if the gaming is your main hobby.

if anything, you will always get cheaper games on PC over a long period of time. this is just the nature of PC, with tons of stores and low player count, they have to incentivise players to get their games

Its not so much about the price, its the performance you're getting, IMO.. in my opinion! playing games the way i like to play games, i.e. she fucks off up to bed, i reach over from my comfy couch and grab the controller on the table beside me, press a button and everything switches on and i'm playing where i left off in mere seconds in comparison to getting the laptop out, plugging it into the tv and power socket, grabbing my 360 controller, waiting on booting it up (its fairly quick tbh) bla bla you know the drill.. its nowhere near the same convenience and the uptick in graphics and performance are simply not there to warrant the added hassle and cost (my laptop was over £2k) especially when it comes to playing controller type games IMO, this goes for even better systems, my mate is a PC nut and runs a 3090 on a lovely 4K ultrawide and shit just looks sharper and smoother in motion, don't get me wrong it looks great but he's spent a ton on his set up but Dev's are simply not taking advantage of all that horsepower in PC gaming imo, though RTGI on some games looks great, so for a system that was nearly 4-5 times the price of my PS5, his games dont look 4 times as good, hence going back to the ops original post, the PC version of Fallout whilst looking better doesn't look 2,3x better when factoring in cost of hardware.

 

[Fredrik]

you can always make your PC quieter by undervolting GPU+CPU and setting a less aggresive fan profile for your components. these components are hard wired to run at maximum voltages for maximum potential performance. my PC is practically at series x levels of quietness even in heavy games. that is achieveable, but you have to leave some performance at the table

tho you can simply say you dont want to bother with that stuff and i'd respect your choice. that's why I accept this reasoning as a valid fundamental reason for people choosing consoles over PCs. but yeah there are still solutions you can find if you want to go through a couple hoops

by sacrificing 200 mhz on my gpu and 300 mhz on my CPU, i managed to make my rocket of a PC to nearly dead silent. it just works tbh.

Already doing undervoltage clocking, but to gain performance. It’s just a noisy rig really. I used to have a water cooled thing but this one is more casual, wasn’t meant as a gaming rig tbh.

But I have no problem playing some games on console, I need consoles anyway as long as Sony and Nintendo aren’t playing nice with exclusives. It’s just a bummer when games I’d very much love to play in the living room have crap framerates on console.

 

[rodrigolfp]

this is a hard point to sell unless they're interested in those advantages PC supposed to bring. this is why these discussions are doomed forever to be never resolved. we're interested in those advantages, whereas they may be not.

at this point it is clearly understood that people want 2x time performance if they're going to pay 2x more money for a PC. that's why they should stick to consoles. that is not happening unless 4070 is not being sold for scalp prices. (but they also dismiss the point of 970. even 1.8 times more performance 7 years into the GPU's life is not good enough for them)

i could make a case that rtx 3070 at 4k with dlss quality provides %60-80 more performance over a PS5 game that runs at native 4k with similar image quality, but that's also a hard point to sell, since it is not possible to know which game gets DLSS or not

As I said several times before, their loss. The advantages are still there.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

For reference as I'm sure people have no idea what they're talking about... this is Fallout 4 on PC.

 

[yamaci17]

Its not so much about the price, its the performance you're getting, IMO.. in my opinion! playing games the way i like to play games, i.e. she fucks off up to bed, i reach over from my comfy couch and grab the controller on the table beside me, press a button and everything switches on and i'm playing where i left off in mere seconds in comparison to getting the laptop out, plugging it into the tv and power socket, grabbing my 360 controller, waiting on booting it up (its fairly quick tbh) bla bla you know the drill.. its nowhere near the same convenience and the uptick in graphics and performance are simply not there to warrant the added hassle and cost (my laptop was over £2k) especially when it comes to playing controller type games IMO, this goes for even better systems, my mate is a PC nut and runs a 3090 on a lovely 4K ultrawide and shit just looks sharper and smoother in motion, don't get me wrong it looks great but he's spent a ton on his set up but Dev's are simply not taking advantage of all that horsepower in PC gaming imo, though RTGI on some games looks great, so for a system that was nearly 4-5 times the price of my PS5, his games dont look 4 times as good, hence going back to the ops original post, the PC version of Fallout whilst looking better doesn't look 2,3x better when factoring in cost of hardware.

so you think that benefits that a more priced PC is better graphics? no other benefits that may warrant the higher cost, is that it?

if so, we have nothing to discuss anymore. it becomes a moot discussion, lol

to begin with, 2 times gtx 970 pc renders more than 2 times frames in fallout 4, while having better graphics. power already goes to framerates. if you don't enjoy or like having a higher framerate, just admit so. if you're okay with playing fallout 4 or witcher 3 at 30 fps, just have fun with your games. no one can stop you. gtx 970's power enables those games to run well above 60 frames with higher fidelity settings thanks to a better CPU you can fit right besides it at that "2 times more" price point.

if you want "2 times better looking graphics," set the game to 30 fps, increase the resolution by 2 times. i dont even understand your logic as to how do you calculate games looking "2 times better" or anything. it is a subjective thing that will differ from person to person.

 

[TintoConCasera]

For reference as I'm sure people have no idea what they're talking about... this is Fallout 4 on PC.

Stop it Todd, or I might buy your game again!

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Stop it Todd, or I might buy your game again!

Me is not Todd

 

[yamaci17]

GTA IV is another amazing example of a game that offers a completely different experience on PC

I played it on the 360 and PS3 but never finished. It looked and ran like absolute ass.

Other Rockstar games during that generation werent as problematic: RDR ran poorly but was amazing looking, same with GTA V

Years later I bought it on PC, and as we all know, the port sucks. My PC Couldnt handle it.

Now that I have a better PC, I brute-forced it, and my God, it feels good to play it as it was intended by the devs

Didnt know about this Definitive Edition, MidGenRefresh . Thank you, will download it later today.

What's the "vulkan wrapper", yamaci17 ?

Release Version 1.10.1 · Sporif/dxvk-async

DXVK with Async patch

github.com

if you're severely CPU limited, it helps to reduce stutters and increases the CPU bound framerate. this stuff even works well with ac odyssey somehow

 

[Mufausa The 3rd]

Literally every fighting game that runs on Unreal Engine 4 plays x100 better on PC.

 

[Holammer]

Deus Ex 1

Unfortunately, the PS2 port is shitty.
I would soooo LOVE a remaster/remake on current gen!

Closest we'll get to that, unless they give the license to Nightdive Studios.

 

[N30RYU]

it's not even about graphics... mods... just mods makes any PC game better

 

[Mephisto40]

Hey GAF

Short story: Fallout 3 is one of my favorite games of all time, so I was obviously very much hyped when Fallout 4 was announced

Bought the game for my PS4 when it launched and when I booted it up, I almost barfed. It looked hideous.

Shadows being generated 2 meters in front of the player? Ridiculous. Ruined the experience for me.

Now I've bought the game on the Steam Summer Sale, and god damn it looks so much better on PC that it almost feels like it's from another generation

I mean, look at this comparison from Digital Foundry:

Spoiler: Comparison Pics

So I was wondering: what other games are much better experiences (graphically) on PC ?

Final Fantasy XV is also another candidate, I think. The Nvidia Gameworks stuff looks excellent.

You arent going to get me to buy another copy of Fallout 4 Todd, no matter how much you try

 

[Guilty_AI]

Cyberpunk 2077.

Its not even about ray tracing or graphics, there are loads of gameplay enhancements mods that can turn the game into a much better experience

AI Netrunners Enhanced (Not updated for 2.0)

Improves enemy netrunners by adding a bunch of hacks (most are restored cut content) they can use on the player, and fixing some CDPR bugs that stop netrunners from hacking you some of the time.

www.nexusmods.com

Lifepath Bonuses and Gang-Corp Traits

Modifies every part of the damage system and some other elements to give gangs and corps more flavour and uniqueness. Also get benefits and penalties against gangs/corps based on your lifepath. Highly

www.nexusmods.com

Vehicle Combat

Enables the player to use weapons while driving and overhauls the police system to create frequent vehicle chases and combat.

www.nexusmods.com

 

[yamaci17]

Literally every fighting game that runs on Unreal Engine 4 plays x100 better on PC.

being able to disable pesky weird post process effects most games are being bundled with is also a huge advantage tbh

disabling that hideous vomit inducing chromatic aberration in hellblade senua was a blessing. it literally made my stomach churn and i had headaches into the 30 minutes of gameplay. can't even imagine playing the game on consoles with forced effects

 

[Hugare]

http://[URL]https://github.com/Sporif/dxvk-async/releases/tag/1.10.1

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if you're severely CPU limited, it helps to reduce stutters and increases the CPU bound framerate. this stuff even works well with ac odyssey somehow

Wow.

From what I'm understanding, it's compatible with many games? Will try to find a place with some kind of list of games that are improved with it

I see myself losing hours testing it with my whole library

I game on a notebook, so my CPU performance is limited most of the time. GPU is fine ( RTX 2060 with 6 gb)

For reference as I'm sure people have no idea what they're talking about... this is Fallout 4 on PC.

I was seriously blown away by Fallout 4 at Ultra settings

The volumetric lighting specificaly looks awesome (specially for an open world game in 2015), and the art style trully shines at high resolutions + good AA

Sadly, my problems with the game goes beyond graphics. I find the story to be stupid and the whole base building aspect to not be my thing.

I much preffer Fallout 3

Cyberpunk 2077.

Its not even about ray tracing or graphics, there are loads of gameplay enhancements mods that can turn the game into a much better experience

http://[URL]https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/2468

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http://[URL]https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/2217

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http://[URL]https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/3815

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And have you seen the flying vehicles mod?

The mod scene for Cyberpunk is making wonderful stuff, and they dont even have mod tools available

Hopefuly CDPR will give Red kit for the community anytime soon

 

[yamaci17]

Release Version 1.10.1 · Sporif/dxvk-async

DXVK with Async patch

github.com

if you're severely CPU limited, it helps to reduce stutters and increases the CPU bound framerate. this stuff even works well with ac odyssey somehow

this is what it looks btw. practically, xbox sx equivalent 60 fps smoothness with higher draw distance, higher settings, at 4k, with full vrr and no vsync

Releases · Sporif/dxvk-async

Contribute to Sporif/dxvk-async development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

so you just put x32 DLL files into the game folder and it does its magic, turning dx9 calls into vulkan. it leads to fewer and softer stutters which are still noticeable but much better than the old dx9 version

i use these commandline parameters to remove VRAM limitations

-width 3840
-height 2160
-refreshrate 144
-availablevidmem 4096
-nomemrestrict
-norestriction
-frameLimit 1
-noprecache
-novblank
-windowed

the other patch is good for bringing back music etc. i already have my own original gta iv copy that is only have 1.0.7.0 patch installed which has all the musics that existed pre-1.0.8.0

 

[Guilty_AI]

And have you seen the flying vehicles mod?

The mod scene for Cyberpunk is making wonderful stuff, and they dont even have mod tools available

Hopefuly CDPR will give Red kit for the community anytime soon

They do have some degree of mod support,

Home of the Cyberpunk 2077 universe — games, anime & more

Enter the world of Cyberpunk 2077 — a storydriven, open world RPG of the dark future from CD PROJEKT RED, creators of The Witcher series of games.

www.cyberpunk.net

but as i'm not a modder myself i don't know how useful what they're giving actually is.

 

[yamaci17]

Wow.

From what I'm understanding, it's compatible with many games? Will try to find a place with some kind of list of games that are improved with it

I see myself losing hours testing it with my whole library

I game on a notebook, so my CPU performance is limited most of the time. GPU is fine ( RTX 2060 with 6 gb)

its compatible with some of the dx11 games. i cannot vouch for a wide compability. it also works good for some games, and not work good for others. i know that it reduces the drawcall overhead in gta 4. that's my only experience with it, tbh (and that's how I heard about it)

 

[rodrigolfp]

Obligatory for the thread:

 

[Josemayuste]

For reference as I'm sure people have no idea what they're talking about... this is Fallout 4 on PC.

I LOVED that game, and its art style.

 

[TintoConCasera]

I LOVED that game, and its art style.

yeah, story and rpg things might be a bit lacking, but the exploration and immersion are peak Bethesda.

 

[Josemayuste]

yeah, story and rpg things might be a bit lacking, but the exploration and immersion are peak Bethesda.

Exactly, that was what kept me playing,
they nailed environmental storytelling also, that survival mode update only raised the bar, I think that I have invested more than 400 hr. or more in total.

 

[BennyBlanco]

The GOAT

 

[MidGenRefresh]

The GOAT

Oh hell yeah. OpenMW is amazing.

 

[supernova8]

Basically any game that runs like shit on console (especially true during last gen and the one before). I personally found BF4 on PS4 to be fine since it was already running at 60fps (or close enough), whereas something like Witcher 3 just made me feel sick because of the shit frame rate.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Oh hell yeah. OpenMW is amazing.

Yea I’ve been dicking around with it on steam deck and it’s still such a great game. Todd is too much a coward to give us levitation spells now.

Also incredibly easy to get OpenMW working on steam deck.

 

[rofif]

Let's not forget all the things you can do on PC, while consoles, at the end of the day - are just toys.

We are not forgetting about ALL THE THINGS you can do on pc... like crashing, overheating, driver bugs, nothing working when you need it, expensive pc parts and so many previous things.
Fuck right off with that TOYS bs.

Computer for me is as much a toy as a console is. I don't work on my gaming pc

 

[alabtrosMyster]

yeah lemmie see fallout running on a similarly specc'd & priced PC from that era..

The thing is that any PC with any decent graphics card can run old games at better everything, even matching and surpassing the PS4 (PRO) doesn't cost that much... depending how much you invest in RGB obviously.

You can get an old ish CPU with 16gb of RAM, a decent 1TB SSD and a video card (the prices are re-adjusting) ... That will outclass the consoles up to the PS4 PRO in every possible manner (except user friendliness, but the next version of Steam OS may very well fix that). The PS5/series X are something else, but that machine will beat or match them at some things depending on the CPU you end up getting.

Plus the PC is more "backwards compatible" than any consoles. My living room PC has 4 xbox one controllers with retro arch, Steam and Epic on it... I have literally thousands of games at my fingertip, old new, enhanced or not.

Obviously, the PS5 is more plug and play, so it still gets tons or use.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Rofif after 45 mins of not shitposting in a PC thread

 

[MidGenRefresh]

We are not forgetting about ALL THE THINGS you can do on pc... like crashing, overheating, driver bugs, nothing working when you need it, expensive pc parts and so many previous things.

You should seriously consider letting someone with basic skills build and configure your next PC.

 

[STARSBarry]

no seething, I'm typing this out on a 3070 RTX laptop and when it comes to gaming, my PS5+55 Oled wins out every time, but when comparing the massive price differential between PC+Consoles, the difference in graphics are not 2 to 3x the leap they should be considering the price

To be fair your using a GPU that's as powerful as the 2 generation old desktop hardware.

UserBenchmark: Nvidia GTX 1080-Ti vs RTX 3070 (Laptop)

Which is about a console cycle behind since the 1080 Ti was 2017... yes it's current gen for laptops but that's a laptop... you lose alot so that it can squeeze in that portability, you should be comparing it to the switch really, it fills the same role.

But yeah your not going to be getting dramatic graphics boosts on every title... but you do get the frames, and that makes all the diffrence. It's nice playing something at 120FPS or above, there are very few titles my PS5 or Series X can hit that on, but my PC not only can hit that with ease, but look better while doing it, and that frame rate is one of the reasons I use it.

Also depending on laptop your screen could be pretty shitty too, alot of "gaming models" put solid panels on there top end units (so would be rocking a 3080) but then some cheaper screen on the lower/mid end in the hopes to confuse consumers, asus are pretty fucking terrible for this but I know other brands do it to... so vs an OLED what do you think is going to happen?

 

[Rykan]

PC builder simulator.

 

[rofif]

You should seriously consider letting someone with basic skills build and configure your next PC.

excuse me?
There is nobody with better pc skills than me.
if you think these issues are caused by bad pc building... you dont know anything about pc gaming

 

[Graciaus]

You should seriously consider letting someone with basic skills build and configure your next PC.

Or just stick to consoles and save us all the crying.

 

[rofif]

Or just stick to consoles and save us all the crying.

save all the crying?
By never critiquing the thing you like, it will never get better.
Blind pc fanboys really can't see past their own pc

 

[MidGenRefresh]

if you think these issues are caused by bad pc building... you dont know anything about pc gaming

I know enough to build and configure a PC that's stable, cool and reliable, Mr. Expert.

 

[rofif]

Rofif after 45 mins of not shitposting in a PC thread

What % of my pc posts are shitting on it? I didn't shit for a long time.
And what I am doing now is not shitting on pc. It's facts and experience.
Someone has to go against the grain of all the blind pc people.
They are ruining the PC gaming and pc experience

 

[MidGenRefresh]

PC builder simulator.

Your avatar reminded me. Prince of Persia is MUCH better on PC. Cell shading aged very well and it looks sexy in 4k. Runs crazy good as well.

 

[yamaci17]

Rofif after 45 mins of not shitposting in a PC thread

i was surprised he was calm and sane as he was in his initial post

i guess he simply couldn't contained himself

 

[rodrigolfp]

save all the crying?
By never critiquing the thing you like, it will never get better.
Blind pc fanboys really can't see past their own pc

You are critiquing the thing YOU (don't) like (your pc), because my pc very rarely crashes or have driver bugs, and none EVER overheated.

 

[rofif]

I know enough to build and configure a PC that's stable, cool and reliable, Mr. Expert.

You are critiquing the thing YOU (don't) like, because my pc very rarely crashes or have driver bugs, and none EVER overheated.

Oh yeah mr fancypants?
What is not stable in my pc?
My pc never overheated too. It's silent and quiet.
Did I said I have this issues with my current pc?
Look at the pcgamingwiki or steam forums... pc gaming was always full of troubleshooting. You might not even notice it. It's easy for you and me but it is there.

Oh and btw. I built this pc in 2019. x570+3700x launch. It was one of the worst launches I've experienced. It's all good now but I had to switch motherboard and troubleshoot.
B450 verified with "zen2 compatible" bios which I had to install prior, only launched 10% of the times. I had to replace the board so I went gigabyte x570 aorus elite. paying customer, new tech and parts. 2 weeks fucking around relacing perfectly fine new parts. Thanks AMD. That piece of shit had noisy fan(gigabyte replaced), 1 min long boot (csm off or on) and terrible spiking default fan curves.... and a problem booting after setting xmp.
But oh so fun!!! new bios every week for few months and it did end up with 0 issues and booting in 20 seconds + custom fan curves.
You are all fools thinking this is what customers should do. I am a pc gamer since 1997 and I would really hope things just work better this time around.
Other parts are 3200mhz hyperx ram, 3080fe, phatneks p600s case and be quiet fans.
The only problem I have left is either of front fans seizing up once a month or so. Pretty strange. Maybe p600s header is to blame but I am to lazy to open it up and connect fans directly.
That's not mentioning windows crap and game by game crap. There is always something with every game. This game you want vsync, this game it breaks things, this game that, this that. always.

Or my buddy who built x570, 5800x pc over year ago... He had to replace one of his nvme drives because it was disappearing. He still cannot force xmp to work. His water cooling is loud (thermaltake and pump is shit). His rgb is wonkyt and don't cooperate. He had AMD usb problems for a long time. Now he got new monitors and gsync works in window but not full screen. There is always some small stuff.

You are either blind or not knowledgeable enough to not notice anything but good for you. Ignorance is bliss.

I have a very good, and VERY WELL built gaming pc which I built myself as well as building my friends and coworkers computers. They are all perfectly happy.
There really is NO WAY to fuck things up. It's not user fault for the most part. It's easier than fucking lego.
But you know? you don't know that. You built your computers and you guys think you did something amazing and are so skilled! bravo to you.
Only I have the balls to see things for what they are. There is nothing wrong with admiring simplicity of a console. There is even less wrong in noticing that pc gaming is not problems free. Problems that should be much much less for the price you pay