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[onQ123]

You mean the locked console warrior thread with no link in the OP? Yes I read the link.

Microsoft themselves did not permanently drop the price to $400, some retailers did because they overshipped the One X for a time.

Because it was selling faster than the PS4 PRO, so they were expecting that momentum to continue. In The US it even ultimately outsold it.

Sadly, both PS4 PRO and One X didn't do to well overtime, which is also why I question those who think we will get refreshes again this gen.



Which was done to keep S sales strong, because the had nothing else left to sell. So in order to prevent a heavier decline, they cut the price to keep A sales as high as possible while they continued to fail to fix the X problem.



I didn't say anything...about Xbox out trending either on Google trends...



They don't for the most part, all those reports are accessible and free to view. The rest of your post is pointless.

We are continually having more and more analysts and retail connected companies saying the same thing over and over, your argument is flat out lazy and has no substance. It's 2023. You think these professionals and companies don't know you can eventually dig up an Xbox X online?

Have you even attempted to think about why we are continuously having reports still saying there's issues with finding stock, as recently as last week?

I've never seen so much evasion from just admitting the current problems are due to poor decision making and bad leadership.

Stop making excuses for Team Xbox, there is no magical 'other' thing to shift the blame to. It's not the S, it's not X demand, it's not them stifling retailers.

Mary , Joseph & the new born baby what is wrong with you? That's what a fire sale is lol Microsoft haven't officially cut the price of the Series S either but the retailers that got stuck with them after Christmas had to get rid of them the best way they could.

They cut the price to $399 in 2019 then cut it to $299 in 2020

 

[Topher]

They cut the price because they didn't have the X in a quantity to keep the brand sales up, you're being willfully obtuse at best. They did not have anything else to sell.

You dodged the fact we are continuing to see the same reports for a reason, because you don't have a valid answer for it.

Unless you think Matt from NPD is a moron and doesn't know you can dig up an X online?

I don't see Matt from NPD making hyperbolic statements that Microsoft doesn't "have anything else to sell". Probably because he isn't a moron and he knows that isn't the truth. The truth is XSX supply is still limited at retail, but it is there for anyone who wants to buy an X online. That's been the case for quite a while. How that equates to nothing to you, I have no idea.

I can't tell if it's just irrational bias against Xbox to push this lazy argument, or bias for it by trying to blame anything but the leadership team for the Xbox Series current problems.

Pointing to bias is in itself a lazy argument, but you do you.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Yeah xbox series x is easy to buy online. You probably won't find stacks in an actual store but what does that matter? It's 2023. Anyone who wants a series x can easily order one and have it within 3 days. It's not impossible to find like some are trying to make out. It just isn't selling well because the brand has been weakened from Microsofts incompetence. What reason is there for it to sell well? Harry Potter and call of duty? But you can get those on PS5 along with the likes of god of war ragnarok and that's exactly what is happening. People are choosing PS5 because it has a better library with major exclusive games.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Xbox has been sharing PC exclusives since the 360. I think Xbox One only had a few console exclusives until 2016.

No the day 1 everything releasing on PC as well is unique to the Series. XB1 only transitioned to that late in the gen it had its own exclusives for years until they changed it up.

I think that takes away a sizeable amount of buyers. And it'd do the same for PS5 is all their first party titles released alongside PC versions day 1.

 

[Poltz]

Halo 5 still is not on PC.

 

[John Wick]

Welfare is a Xbox fanboy that always have the perfect excuse why Xbox is not selling well in US. You can find Xbox hw everywhere but he is always ready with a new bs

There is a shortage of Series X in the UK. Every day I see multiple deals for PS5 on HotUKDeals. Yet haven't seen any Series ones for a while.

 

[drganon]

A quick look at Amazon has the x by itself invite only, but you can get the bundles without one.

 

[demigod]

Yes it did did you even check the thread I posted in 2019 which was only 2 years after it released it was selling for $400

No, it was less than a year that it dropped to $400 and even more in 2019.

 

[onQ123]

No, it was less than a year that it dropped to $400 and even more in 2019.

Yeah I was about to post about it having a price drop 7 months after release but I let it go lol

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah I was about to post about it having a price drop 7 months after release but I let it go lol

Wow!

 

[elcapitano]

Some German charts for Feb. Hogwarts Top as expected. TLOU Part 2 also charting.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

There is a shortage of Series X in the UK. Every day I see multiple deals for PS5 on HotUKDeals. Yet haven't seen any Series ones for a while.

This is not reflected on eBay UK.

Check PS5 console and 'ending soonest' and the cheapest is £350 and likely £400 by the time the auction finishes. Do the same for Series X and the price is £238 plus add £50 by the time the auction ends. If there was a shortage there wouldn't be such a shocking gap in what people are willing to pay for each console.

For used models people here pay about £100 more for PS5 which is crazy.

 

[John Wick]

This is not reflected on eBay UK.

Check PS5 console and 'ending soonest' and the cheapest is £350 and likely £400 by the time the auction finishes. Do the same for Series X and the price is £238 plus add £50 by the time the auction ends. If there was a shortage there wouldn't be such a shocking gap in what people are willing to pay for each console.

For used models people here pay about £100 more for PS5 which is crazy.

If we went by ebay the PS5 was never out of stock.

 

[Henry Panic]

No the day 1 everything releasing on PC as well is unique to the Series. XB1 only transitioned to that late in the gen it had its own exclusives for years until they changed it up.

I think that takes away a sizeable amount of buyers. And it'd do the same for PS5 is all their first party titles released alongside PC versions day 1.

Most Xbox One exclusives after 2014 were on PC outside of Halo 5 and Halo MCC. Until they finally released the latter years later.

It's really not much different.

I don't see Matt from NPD making hyperbolic statements that Microsoft doesn't "have anything else to sell".

Only your are desperately trying to make the statement seem hyperbolic because you can't actually answer what I said.

You clearly must think Matt and many others are slow and don't know people can eventually dig up Xs online. If not, then you have no leg to stand on using the lazy online excuse.

All these people and companies know with some looking you could find an X online. Most people who buy consoles don't have that option, don't consider it, or shop retail. Which is why everyone including Matt, keeps brining it up. Sorry.

 

[Topher]

H Henry Panic

Not even reading it. That convo was over days ago. Get over it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

keeps brining it up

Hmm let's see what that is.

 

[TheGodfather07]

How the hell are Microsoft more behind then they were during ps4/xbox one gen? They made like 20 acquisitions. They have a cheap system with series s and they have gamepass. It just seems like nobody gives a shit. I feel like throwing money at it is their last attempt before they finally give up.

 

[Henry Panic]

Xbox has shared exclusives with PC most of it's existence.

How the hell are Microsoft more behind then they were during ps4/xbox one gen? They made like 20 acquisitions. They have a cheap system with series s and they have gamepass. It just seems like nobody gives a shit. I feel like throwing money at it is their last attempt before they finally give up.

They aren't more behind, where are you getting this from?

It's not even 2:1 and that's using the worst estimates that aren't verified.

 

[Luigi Mario]

It's not even 2:1 and that's using the worst estimates that aren't verified.

I'm pretty sure they are, unless you got more accurate numbers.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I'm pretty sure they are, unless you got more accurate numbers.

Not in the US. But world wide the gap is much larger.

To he honest I haven't really seen anyone claim the world wide numbers are extremely close.

 

[Henry Panic]

I'm pretty sure they are, unless you got more accurate numbers.

32M PS5 had Xbox at 20M which was the lowest most questionable estimate, and that still wasn't 2:1.

What numbers are you looking at where PS5 is 2:1 globally?

 

[Fafalada]

They aren't more behind, where are you getting this from?

Well they are behind X1, so the only reason they're not further, is because PS5 is itself behind PS4 at the moment.
But the latter has been reversing that trend this year - so it would only be a matter of time before the gap is larger than last gen if things don't change later in the year.

 

[TheGodfather07]

In the US, the gap is larger in the same point in time than it was last gen. Only slightly but still..

 

[Poltz]

32M PS5 had Xbox at 20M which was the lowest most questionable estimate, and that still wasn't 2:1.

What numbers are you looking at where PS5 is 2:1 globally?

Xbox under 10m in the US up to November 2022. 20m worldwide is laughable.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Xbox under 10m in the US up to November 2022. 20m worldwide is laughable.

I don't know if this has been posted yet but here are leaked numbers for PS5 and XBS from June to November by Aquamarine on Installbase. Lifetime by the end of November 2022 was 10.59 million for PS5 and 8.74 million for XBS, so a lead of 1.85 million for PS5. The December numbers haven't been leaked yet.

PS5 US NPD HW:
Jun-22: 277K
Jul-22: 301K
Aug-22: 341K
Sep-22: 494K
Oct-22: 456K
Nov-22: 1328K
LTD as of Nov-22: 10592K

XBX US NPD HW:
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
LTD as of Nov-22: 8736K

December estimate from the current data by User Astral_lion02 on InstallBase

December 2022 estimate:

NSW - 1,5M
PS5 - 1,4M
XBS - 0,9M

YTD 2022 estimate:

NSW - 5,8M <36%>
PS5 - 5,7M <36%>
XBS - 4,4M <28%>
PS4 - 0,1M <0%>

ALL - 16M <100%>

LTD as December 2022 estimate:

NSW - 39,4M
PS5 - 11,9M
XBS - 9,6M

Yep, -44% worse performance by XSX|S than Xbox One.

Xbox series is probably around 18m tops right now. Likely lower. 20m is not even possible. Doing Worse than xbox one in both US and UK.

 

[Henry Panic]

Xbox under 10m in the US up to November 2022. 20m worldwide is laughable.

Which is the lowest most unreliable estimate, and it's still not 2:1 as it's over 20M to 32M early this year.

The more credible put it around 22-23M.

Ironically, worldwide is what's holding Xbox up right now.

 

[jm89]

The more credible put it around 22-23M.

Ironically, worldwide is what's holding Xbox up right now.

Who is the more credible?

And can we see the receipt worldwide is holding up xbox?

 

[Poltz]

Which is the lowest most unreliable estimate, and it's still not 2:1 as it's over 20M to 32M early this year.

The more credible put it around 22-23M.

Ironically, worldwide is what's holding Xbox up right now.

Who is more credible? Xbox Series have not passed 2m in the UK yet. If we want be generous was can say Xbox Series maybe 10m in the US to the end of 2022. We know Xbox has not won an NPD Jan-March. 23m is very high for a console that sells the majority of its consoles in the US and UK. We know mainland Europe and Japan are a wash for Xbox,.

 

[Henry Panic]

Who is more credible? Xbox Series have not passed 2m in the UK yet.

UK wasn't mentioned so not sure why you're bringing it up.

23m is very high for a console that sells the majority of its consoles in the US and UK.

Removing your bias from the facts, Xbox was trending as the best selling Xbox because of internationally, not the US and UK.

It fell behind Xbox One in US some time ago. UK also, LAST YEAR.

 

[Heisenberg007]

UK wasn't mentioned so not sure why you're bringing it up.



Removing your bias from the facts, Xbox was trending as the best selling Xbox because of internationally, not the US and UK.

It fell behind Xbox One in US some time ago. UK also, LAST YEAR.

UK figures give us context. Xbox One hit 2 million units in the UK in 104 weeks. Xbox Series X|S hasn't hit 2 million in UK in over 125 weeks.

XBS also lost grounds to PS5 in the US, which sold less than PS4. That means XBS also sold less than Xbox One in the US.

That means XBS has sold worse in the two regions that constitute ~75% of Xbox's global share. It is definitely tracking behind Xbox One, which puts it hardly at 20 million. 22-23 million is out of the equation.

 

[MasterCornholio]

UK figures give us context. Xbox One hit 2 million units in the UK in 104 weeks. Xbox Series X|S hasn't hit 2 million in UK in over 125 weeks.

XBS also lost grounds to PS5 in the US, which sold less than PS4. That means XBS also sold less than Xbox One in the US.

That means XBS has sold worse in the two regions that constitute ~75% of Xbox's global share. It is definitely tracking behind Xbox One, which puts it hardly at 20 million. 22-23 million is out of the equation.

Around 18 million? Of course it's just an estimate.

 

[jm89]

UK wasn't mentioned so not sure why you're bringing it up.



Removing your bias from the facts, Xbox was trending as the best selling Xbox because of internationally, not the US and UK.

It fell behind Xbox One in US some time ago. UK also, LAST YEAR.

"was trending" isn't proof of your claim of 22-23M

 

[Henry Panic]

UK figures give us context.

Gives us zero context. You have to give UK way more weight than it actually has and pretend there aren't sales outside of it. Xbox isn't 90% US&UK earlier in the gen. That's never been the case.

If Xbox is still ahead of previous consoles that means that formula is worthless because that fact indicates that sales elsewhere are high enough to keep Series ahead, despite it falling behind Xbox One in it's two strongest markets even now. There's no other actual explanation when you think logically because where else would the sales come from? Leprechauns?

"Trending" isn't proof of your claim of 22-23M

Which isn't what you quoted so you're right. You took two different statements and pretended they were one.

 

[jm89]

Which isn't what you quoted so you're right. You took two different statements and pretended they were one.

You replied to a comment about 23m so it's a fair assumption that's what you where referring to.

I'm still waiting on your credible source of 22-23m.

Or are we using guesstimators from other forums as "The more credible"?

And still waiting on the proof of "worldwide is what's holding Xbox up right now". Hopefully this holding isn't for some brief period.

 

[Fake]

Some German charts for Feb. Hogwarts Top as expected. TLOU Part 2 also charting.

You forgot to mention NFS: Hot Pursuit Remastered, Monopoly, Civilization, Nintendo Switch Sports are also charting... funny you missed that.

 

[Poltz]

UK wasn't mentioned so not sure why you're bringing it up.



Removing your bias from the facts, Xbox was trending as the best selling Xbox because of internationally, not the US and UK.

It fell behind Xbox One in US some time ago. UK also, LAST YEAR.

It’s ok to say you made 23m up you know. Like I said, who is more credible? The UK is added to try get to this 23m number. You need to find 10m console sales world wide.

 

[Henry Panic]

I'm still waiting on your credible source of 22-23m.

Not my fault you only read the threads that support your personal preferences.

It’s ok to say you made 23m up you know. Like I said, who is more credible?

I didn't make up anything. You're rants about the UK have no impact on European sales and you're failing to use it as a be all end all indicator.

Xbox Series being the best selling Xbox compared to the previous is a fact. The fact it fell behind the Xbox One in UK and US is also a fact.

Therefore to still be in front sales have to come from elsewhere.

You find these three facts inconvenient. So you keep bringing up the UK randomly despite it being accounted for.

Even using the 20M estimate that still has Xbox Series sales coming from elsewhere.

You're only bringing up the UK out of a poor attempt to act like it's the only place Xbox is selling outside the US.

https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...1-xbox-series-x-s-up-yoy-games-down-7-1.1307/

Most growth in Europe didn't come from the UK. The country as you correctly stated hadn't touched 2M yet. Working against your own argument.

 

[onQ123]

On a different note Zelda & Switch is going to set next month numbers on fire

 

[Heisenberg007]

Gives us zero context. You have to give UK way more weight than it actually has and pretend there aren't sales outside of it. Xbox isn't 90% US&UK earlier in the gen. That's never been the case.

If Xbox is still ahead of previous consoles that means that formula is worthless because that fact indicates that sales elsewhere are high enough to keep Series ahead, despite it falling behind Xbox One in it's two strongest markets even now. There's no other actual explanation when you think logically because where else would the sales come from? Leprechauns?



Which isn't what you quoted so you're right. You took two different statements and pretended they were one.

It does give us context. US and UK are 75% of the Xbox market, and if Xbox is tracking behind Xbox One in both 75% market, what makes you think it is doing so much better in the 25% ROTW that it eclipses the decrease in 75% of the market.

There is literally no evidence to back that theory up. We have data from Spain and Japan, for example, and XBS is not doing well in those markets either.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Around 18 million? Of course it's just an estimate.

Yes, according to Ampere it was 18.5 million by EOY 2022. It was ~1 million higher than my own estimate.

But even we assume Ampere's analysis 100% correct, it puts XBS at 20.6 million as of March 31, 2023 on the same pace (ignoring the recent shortages and decrease in YoY sales).

There's no evidence for 22-23 million yet.

 

[Poltz]

So basically just make numbers up for Xbox world wide sales. H Henry Panic Xbox does not operate in the same amount of countries as PlayStation. If you try to say they did 10m between mainland Europe, Asia, South America and Africa I will laugh.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Even on InstallBase forums the Xbox fanboys are not saying over 18.5m for Series worldwide sold through.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Yes, according to Ampere it was 18.5 million by EOY 2022. It was ~1 million higher than my own estimate.

But even we assume Ampere's analysis 100% correct, it puts XBS at 20.6 million as of March 31, 2023 on the same pace (ignoring the recent shortages and decrease in YoY sales).

There's no evidence for 22-23 million yet.

even 18.5m seems like an overestimation if XBS was at approximately 9.6m in the US at the end of 2022. where is the other 9m coming from? UK was less than 2m aswell and XBS has barely sold in places like japan, france, spain, italy, germany. 16m-17m is more accurate. its probably at 18.5m right now. not at the end of 2022.

 

[jm89]

Not my fault you only read the threads that support your personal preferences.



I didn't make up anything. You're rants about the UK have no impact on European sales and you're failing to use it as a be all end all indicator.

Xbox Series being the best selling Xbox compared to the previous is a fact. The fact it fell behind the Xbox One in UK and US is also a fact.

Therefore to still be in front sales have to come from elsewhere.

You find these three facts inconvenient. So you keep bringing up the UK randomly despite it being accounted for.

Even using the 20M estimate that still has Xbox Series sales coming from elsewhere.

You're only bringing up the UK out of a poor attempt to act like it's the only place Xbox is selling outside the US.

https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...1-xbox-series-x-s-up-yoy-games-down-7-1.1307/

Most growth in Europe didn't come from the UK. The country as you correctly stated hadn't touched 2M yet. Working against your own argument.

Still waiting on your credible source for 23m.......

 

[DForce]

You forgot to mention NFS: Hot Pursuit Remastered, Monopoly, Civilization, Nintendo Switch Sports are also charting... funny you missed that.

Wait.
You often show up in sales threads just to take a shot at the TLOU 2, but now you have an issue with someone pointing out the fact that it charted?

Now that's funny.

 

[azertydu91]

Still waiting on your credible source for 23m.......

You are gonna wait for it a long time, it is by someone that thinks the Xbox sold more outside of US/UK ....As the history showed,

 

[TheGodfather07]

You are gonna wait for it a long time, it is by someone that thinks the Xbox sold more outside of US/UK ....As the history showed,

i dont think he understands that UK and US is like 75% of where xbox sales come from. thats why its easy to get an accurate estimation of where its at right now.

 

[azertydu91]

i dont think he understands that UK and US is like 75% of where xbox sales come from. thats why its easy to get an accurate estimation of where its at right now.

Maybe he does but doesn't want to.

 

[MasterCornholio]

i dont think he understands that UK and US is like 75% of where xbox sales come from. thats why its easy to get an accurate estimation of where its at right now.

Yes it's Xboxs largest markets. And they are both way larger than anywhere else the systems are sold in. If it does poorly in those two regions chances are numbers are a lot smaller everywhere else. Heck just look at this chart for example.

The UK and the US are a lot closer for Xbox.

 

[Horseganador]

In Spain, for example (to give an example outside the UK and USA) so far in 2023 they have been sold (PS5 86K, Switch 67K and Xbox 11K) in fact almost the same PSVR2s have been sold as Xbox.