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[Henry Panic]

How does that compare to what XBO did in the same timeframe?

Good question.

XBO Jan 15: >140k
XBO Feb 15: 276k
XBO Mar 15: 135k
XBO Apr 15: 187k
XBO May 15: 139k
XBO Jun 15: 197k
XBO Jul 15: 188k
XBO Aug 15: 202k
XBO Sept 15: 280k
XBO Oct 15: 303k
XBO Nov 15: 1.2M
LTD as of Nov-15: 3.24M

XS leak.

Jan-22: 307K
Feb-22: 261K
Mar-22: 489K
Apr-22: 267K
May-22: 177K
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
LTD as of Nov-22: 3.53M

It's possible Xbox One in NPD could have closed a 300k gap but considering that Xbox One walked into the grave after November I'm very doubtful.

It really depends on what XS did in December and they made the BF sales permanent, so I'm leaning toward no.

That's just for America.

 

[Varteras]

Good question.

XBO Jan 15: >140k
XBO Feb 15: 276k
XBO Mar 15: 135k
XBO Apr 15: 187k
XBO May 15: 139k
XBO Jun 15: 197k
XBO Jul 15: 188k
XBO Aug 15: 202k
XBO Sept 15: 280k
XBO Oct 15: 303k
XBO Nov 15: 1.2M
LTD as of Nov-15: 3.24M

XS leak.

Jan-22: 307K
Feb-22: 261K
Mar-22: 489K
Apr-22: 267K
May-22: 177K
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
LTD as of Nov-22: 3.53M

It's possible Xbox One in NPD could have closed a 300k gap but considering that Xbox One walked into the grave after November I'm very doubtful.

It really depends on what XS did in December and they made the BF sales permanent so I'm leaning toward no.

I'm going to assume these are all accurate numbers. Yeah, looking at how XBS did in Nov-22 versus how XBO did in Nov-15, I'm going to guess things didn't get much better in December. XBO did nearly twice what XBS did. If I had to guess, I'd say there's a pretty good chance that XBS fell behind during these recent holidays. If so, I do believe that would put it under 18 million by the EOY22. As XBO was about 18 million in Jan-16 if I recall correctly. With stock issues, I'm finding it very unlikely it went beyond 20 million at this point but I really can't be sure. I just think it's clear that XBS is struggling to stay ahead of XBO, for whatever those reasons are.

 

[Henry Panic]

I'm going to assume these are all accurate numbers. Yeah, looking at how XBS did in Nov-22 versus how XBO did in Nov-15, I'm going to guess things didn't get much better in December. XBO did nearly twice what XBS did. If I had to guess, I'd say there's a pretty good chance that XBS fell behind during these recent holidays. If so, I do believe that would put it under 18 million by the EOY22. As XBO was about 18 million in Jan-16. With stock issues, I'm finding it very unlikely it went beyond 20 million at this point but I really can't be sure. I just think it's clear that XBS is struggling to keep up with XBO, for whatever those reasons are.

Xbox One had huge drops from November to December, and Nov sales were extended into Dec for XS.

That's a very tight squeeze for the Xbox One to fill. Then it had a horrible January after and faltered the rest of the generation.

I will say it's close absolutely, but I am not seeing XS falling behind.

Looking at Xbox One in 2016, EEdar said Xbox One was at 20M by end of 2015: https://www.google.com/amp/s/gaming...0-million-according-to-eedar-study/amp?espv=1

with XS being likely an inch out in front (or behind) I can't see where you're getting 18M. It would have to be 20M or more lowest.

EEdar is NPD: https://www.corumgroup.com/transactions/npd-group-eedar#:~:text=EEDAR is a specialist market,game research and data services.

That's as Dec 2015.

 

[jm89]

Good question.

XBO Jan 15: >140k
XBO Feb 15: 276k
XBO Mar 15: 135k
XBO Apr 15: 187k
XBO May 15: 139k
XBO Jun 15: 197k
XBO Jul 15: 188k
XBO Aug 15: 202k
XBO Sept 15: 280k
XBO Oct 15: 303k
XBO Nov 15: 1.2M
LTD as of Nov-15: 3.24M

XS leak.

Jan-22: 307K
Feb-22: 261K
Mar-22: 489K
Apr-22: 267K
May-22: 177K
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
LTD as of Nov-22: 3.53M

It's possible Xbox One in NPD could have closed a 300k gap but considering that Xbox One walked into the grave after November I'm very doubtful.

It really depends on what XS did in December and they made the BF sales permanent, so I'm leaning toward no.

That's just for America.

December 2015 numbers for xone was just over 1.3m leaked here on gaf, making the LTD as of december 2015 just over 4.54m for the x one, assuming your LTD is correct.

Source: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-...er-2015-up1-super-mario-maker.1170761/page-21

X series would have to sell over 1 million to get there in its LTD as of december 22, nothing happened in december 22 to make the x series numbers suddenly get a huge boost from 730k in novomber 22. Discount of series s where running throughout november aswell.

With these number x one would be most likely tracking higher then series consoles.

 

[Varteras]

Xbox One had huge drops from November to December, and Nov sales were extended into Dec for XS.

That's a very tight squeeze for the Xbox One to fill. Then it had a horrible January after and faltered the rest of the generation.

I will say it's close absolutely, but I am not seeing XS falling behind.

Looking at Xbox One in 2016, EEdar said Xbox One was at 20M by end of 2015: https://www.google.com/amp/s/gaming...0-million-according-to-eedar-study/amp?espv=1

with XS being likely an inch out in front (or behind) I can't see where you're getting 18M. It would have to be 20M or more lowest.

EEdar is NPD: https://www.corumgroup.com/transactions/npd-group-eedar#:~:text=EEDAR is a specialist market,game research and data services.

That's as Dec 2015.

Oh I for sure don't think the gap either way is large. I just think things are trending in a lower direction for XBS at this point. If it is beyond 20 million at this point, I don't think it's likely to be much higher.

As far as the 18 million, that was just me remembering, possibly incorrectly, and doing a quick search where one of the first hits claimed 18 million XBO's "activated" by Jan 2016.

 

[Henry Panic]

Oh I for sure don't think the gap either way is large. I just think things are trending in a lower direction for XBS at this point. If it is beyond 20 million at this point, I don't think it's likely to be much higher.

As far as the 18 million, that was just me remembering, possibly incorrectly, and doing a quick search where one of the first hits claimed 18 million XBO's "activated" by Jan 2016.

It depends on what XS did in December. In 2021 XS has a much bigger holiday than XBO and now it's reversed.

But the other months are in favor of XS. Sadly XS December was the only month that did not leak.

It is a given that XS is doing better Jan-Mar 2023 than the Xbox One Jan-Mar 2016. Xbox One was really struggling until the slim released.

That makes it harder to place the XS below the One. But the gap is still less than a million, maybe even 600k.

I think what will make or break the XS is if these games finally launching this year, Redfall, Forza, and Starfield, actually sell hardware.

If you look at the 2022 leak XS started losing momentum after May which I believe was caused by a lack of game releases.

Notice however, that the XS is still keeping above 250k sales on average 2H, but not the XBO. I think that shows the damaged caused by 2022 is recoverable.

Only time will tell if that's true. If these new games underperform console sales, then the damage may not be recoverable after all.

 

[jm89]

Xbox One had huge drops from November to December

For 2015? If so it didn't, it had an increase.

 

[demigod]

For 2015? If so it didn't, it had an increase.

He is rewriting history.

 

[jm89]

He is rewriting history.

Seems so.

He went through the effort to find the npd numbers for every month for the x one in 2015, but sneakily didn't get the december 2015 numbers. Then claims sales must have had a drop off in december to support his narrative, probably hoping no one would check

 

[Woopah]

Xbox One had huge drops from November to December, and Nov sales were extended into Dec for XS.

That's a very tight squeeze for the Xbox One to fill. Then it had a horrible January after and faltered the rest of the generation.

That's not really true. Xbox One did around 1.373 million in December 2015

Then in the 2nd half of 2016, Xbox One outsold the PS4, thanks in part to the One S
https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016

 

[Henry Panic]

He is rewriting history.

Or you didn't read.

Seems so.

He went through the effort to find the npd numbers for every month for the x one in 2015, but sneakily didn't get the december 2015 numbers.

Probably because XS December numbers weren't leaked. Oh wait, I said that already, and also addressed it which you skipped over

I've never seen someone fail this hard pushing someone else's argument yet hasn't posted anything themselves.

 

[Henry Panic]

That's not really true. Xbox One did around 1.373 million in December 2015

Then in the 2nd half of 2016, Xbox One outsold the PS4, thanks in part to the One S
https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016

You bolded me talking about January.

I also said above Xbox One was struggling in 2016 before the slim.

It is a given that XS is doing better Jan-Mar 2023 than the Xbox One Jan-Mar 2016. Xbox One was really struggling until the slim released.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Good question.

XBO Jan 15: >140k
XBO Feb 15: 276k
XBO Mar 15: 135k
XBO Apr 15: 187k
XBO May 15: 139k
XBO Jun 15: 197k
XBO Jul 15: 188k
XBO Aug 15: 202k
XBO Sept 15: 280k
XBO Oct 15: 303k
XBO Nov 15: 1.2M
LTD as of Nov-15: 3.24M

XS leak.

Jan-22: 307K
Feb-22: 261K
Mar-22: 489K
Apr-22: 267K
May-22: 177K
Jun-22: 260K
Jul-22: 247K
Aug-22: 251K
Sep-22: 288K
Oct-22: 261K
Nov-22: 730K
LTD as of Nov-22: 3.53M

It's possible Xbox One in NPD could have closed a 300k gap but considering that Xbox One walked into the grave after November I'm very doubtful.

It really depends on what XS did in December and they made the BF sales permanent, so I'm leaning toward no.

That's just for America.

Was there a big holiday game for xbox one in holiday 2015? Looks like there must be something driving those sales?

Would be great to have series dales numbers. I'm deffo in the camp that's it's over 20 mill.

 

[jm89]

Probably because XS December numbers weren't leaked. Oh wait, I said that already, and also addressed it which you skipped over

I've never seen someone fail this hard pushing someone else's argument yet hasn't posted anything themselves.

I wasn't talking about the XS in december 2022, i was talking about your lies about the x one in december 2015, and this is what you said about x one.

Xbox One had huge drops from November to December

but considering that Xbox One walked into the grave after November I'm very doubtful.

All proven incorrect if we look at the december numbers.

 

[Henry Panic]

Was there a big holiday game for xbox one in holiday 2015? Looks like there must be something driving those sales?

Would be great to have series dales numbers. I'm deffo in the camp that's it's over 20 mill.

Halo 5, Gears Ultimate, Forza 6, and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

It was Microsoft's best November ever at the time. Not surprising given the lineup.

 

[Woopah]

You bolded me talking about January.

I also said above Xbox One was struggling in 2016 before the slim.

The point I wanted to make is that:

1. XB1 did not have huge drops from November to December 2015.
2. XB1 did decline until the slim, but it was wrong to say it "faltered the rest of generation".

 

[Henry Panic]

XB1 did decline until the slim, but it was wrong to say it "faltered the rest of generation".

No it's not, Eedar said 20M Xbox Ones sold as of Dec 2015.

This means that the XBO 50M lifetime estimate spreads 30M the next 5 years. That's 6M per year avg. That's when XBO drifted miles behind the 360.

Ended up selling only double the original Xbox in the end.

 

[onQ123]

Halo 5, Gears Ultimate, Forza 6, and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

It was Microsoft's best November ever at the time. Not surprising given the lineup.

wrong again

1.7 million November 2011

1.37 million November 2010

https://www.engadget.com/2011-12-09...ord-with-xbox-360-joined-by-mw3-and-skyr.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.xbox.com/en-us/2010/12/09/november-2010-npd-highlights/amp/

 

[Venom Snake]

They should call on their congress shills to investigate.

 

[Woopah]

No it's not, Eedar said 20M Xbox Ones sold as of Dec 2015.

This means that the XBO 50M lifetime estimate spreads 30M the next 5 years. That's 6M per year avg. That's when XBO drifted miles behind the 360.

Ended up selling only double the original Xbox in the end.

XBO fell behind the 360 because the 360 got a huge late life boost from Kinect. Whereas Xbox One saw a more traditional sales curve where it peaked and declined. It did well in the 2nd half of 2016, and then again did well end of 2017 and first half of 2018 thanks to the X.

 

[onQ123]

XBO fell behind the 360 because the 360 got a huge late life boost from Kinect. Whereas Xbox One saw a more traditional sales curve where it peaked and declined. It did well in the 2nd half of 2016, and then again did well end of 2017 and first half of 2018 thanks to the X.

Yep & people act like Kinect was the downfall when Kinect is the reason 360 sold so much in the end.

 

[demigod]

Halo 5, Gears Ultimate, Forza 6, and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

It was Microsoft's best November ever at the time. Not surprising given the lineup.

wrong again

1.7 million November 2011

1.37 million November 2010

https://www.engadget.com/2011-12-09...ord-with-xbox-360-joined-by-mw3-and-skyr.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.xbox.com/en-us/2010/12/09/november-2010-npd-highlights/amp/

I can’t read huh. Looks to me you are rewriting history again. Still waiting on that 23m source broski.

 

[onQ123]

I can’t read huh. Looks to me you are rewriting history again. Still waiting on that 23m source broski.

Lol at this point he has to be trolling because he just saying random stuff just to argue

 

[onQ123]

No it's not, Eedar said 20M Xbox Ones sold as of Dec 2015.

This means that the XBO 50M lifetime estimate spreads 30M the next 5 years. That's 6M per year avg. That's when XBO drifted miles behind the 360.

Ended up selling only double the original Xbox in the end.

So by your own words you recognize that Xbox consoles are front loaded besides when something like Kinect happens?

I'm not sure how things will go next year but for this year it looks like they don't even plan to put up a fight .

 

[Henry Panic]

wrong again

I can’t read huh.

Glad you both admit it since I was talking about Xbox One and your trolling doesn't change the topic: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-...-combined-hardware-for-ps4-xb1-wii-u.1154795/

"Best November Ever"

 

[onQ123]

Glad you both admit it since I was talking about Xbox One and your trolling doesn't change the topic: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-...-combined-hardware-for-ps4-xb1-wii-u.1154795/

"Best November Ever"

Stop it you're making a fool of yourself you said Microsoft's best November ever not Xbox One best November ever lol

 

[Henry Panic]

XBO fell behind the 360 because the 360 got a huge late life boost from Kinect. Whereas Xbox One saw a more traditional sales curve where it peaked and declined. It did well in the 2nd half of 2016, and then again did well end of 2017 and first half of 2018 thanks to the X.

Xbox One fell behind the 360 way earlier in 2015.

There wasn't a Kinect in 2007 or 2008.

I have no idea why you think One didn't fall behind 360 until Kinect. Xbox One was buried before Kinect was ever a factor.

So by your own words you recognize that Xbox consoles are front loaded besides when something like Kinect happens?

I'm not sure how things will go next year but for this year it looks like they don't even plan to put up a fight .

360 wasn't front loaded but otherwise yes.
.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox One fell behind the 360 way earlier in 2015.

There wasn't a Kinect in 2007 or 2008.

I have no idea why you think One didn't fall behind 360 until Kinect. Xbox One was buried before Kinect was ever a factor.



360 wasn't front loaded but otherwise yes.
.

Play dumb with someone else I didn't say Xbox One fell behind because of Kinect

 

[Henry Panic]

Play dumb with someone else I didn't say Xbox fail behind because of Kinect

Lol I didn't even quote you for that part, I quoted Woopah.

 

[Woopah]

Xbox One fell behind the 360 way earlier in 2015.

There wasn't a Kinect in 2007 or 2008.

I have no idea why you think One didn't fall behind 360 until Kinect. Xbox One was buried before Kinect was ever a factor.



360 wasn't front loaded but otherwise yes.
.

Yes you're right, I should have been more specific. Kinect was the reason Xbox One drifted "miles behind" the 360, not the reason it went behind in the first place.

 

[demigod]

Glad you both admit it since I was talking about Xbox One and your trolling doesn't change the topic: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-...-combined-hardware-for-ps4-xb1-wii-u.1154795/

"Best November Ever"

You might want to edit your previous post from Microsoft to xbox, unless you can’t read.

 

[Varteras]

Pour one out for our homie

 

[onQ123]

Pour one out for our homie

Must have been the random thread about Carmack's old game

 

[onQ123]

I don't understand why Microsoft don't have a Minecraft Legends Xbox Series S bundle right now it ( I know it's digital only but the visual of Minecraft Legends on the box would be good for marketing )

 

[Woopah]

I don't understand why Microsoft don't have a Minecraft Legends Xbox Series S bundle right now it ( I know it's digital only but the visual of Minecraft Legends on the box would be good for marketing )

It could be a good move. They do have the Diablo IV Series X bundle in June which should move units.

 

[U.S.E. CD]

Anybody have the link to when they announced the name change?

I want to know which executive I have to slap for choosing the name Circana.

 

[Brucey]

Something to think about is that last year started off good for Xbox Series & slow for PS5 but it still ended with PS5 2:1 over Xbox Series for the year & this year is starting with PS5 way up while Xbox Series is down even with Series S selling at really cheap prices.

Something has to change for Xbox Series consoles going forward . They can't let the competition start outselling them 3:1 each year while not moving much software or it will get worse with 3rd parties making more PS5 exclusives

The future of Xbox series s/x is now in the hands of MS CEO Nadella. Will depend how patient he is. Ultimately the consoles aren't required to grow gamepass, when any Android or iPhone etc can play it via streaming. The addressable market is in the hundred of millions or billions.

 

[Klayzer]

We are still waiting on your source of this 23M. Or is that tales from your ass again Afro Republican?

That's who I was thinking his posting style reminded me of. Doubles down on stupid, with a heavy dose of fan fiction. I think Afro, Eddie, and Henry is the same person.

 

[Klayzer]

Pour one out for our homie

It's puzzling to me, some of these Xfanatics act like their claims cant be easily checked and refuted.

 

[MasterCornholio]

your trolling

Bye bye

jm89 looks like we are never getting that source.

 

[Topher]

 

[MasterCornholio]

Funny how he called everyone trolls but forgot to look in the mirror.

 

[Topher]

Funny how he called everyone trolls but forgot to look in the mirror.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Hopefully that something to change will be Microsoft's acquisitions paying off from H2 2023 onwards.

It will take longer than that, from mid 2024 onwards I reckon. As it's unlikely there will be any small NA marketshare shift from PS5 to Series because of Starfield as it's going up against Spiderman 2. Starfield is on PC and is going up against a juggernaut console exclusive with no PS4 version this time (thank lord).

I think the gap will continue to widen 2H 2023 in NA.

 

[Woopah]

It will take longer than that, from mid 2024 onwards I reckon. As it's unlikely there will be any small NA marketshare shift from PS5 to Series because of Starfield as it's going up against Spiderman 2. Starfield is on PC and is going up against a juggernaut console exclusive with no PS4 version this time (thank lord).

I think the gap will continue to widen 2H 2023 in NA.

To be clear I think that PS5 will be outselling Xbox Series for the rest of the generation.

But what I also think is that Microsoft's acquisitions will start resulting in actual games from H2 2023 onwards. Bethesda will deliver their first proper Xbox games in Starfeild and Redfall, and then their other acquisitions will be paying off in 2024 with Avowed and Hellblade 2 (maybe Perfect Dark as well?)

Even their ABK acquisition could start paying off in the 2nd half of this year, oif it goes through in time and they are able to put this year's COD on Gamepass.

 

[U.S.E. CD]

Terrible name change aside Xbox is still in a good position.

A year of nothing followed by stock problems and the first big release being 5 months into 2023, followed by a PS5 stock explosion, and the gap is ONLY in the range of 10-12m between XBS and PS5.

Got to be the luckiest company in gaming.

They can still recover.

 

[Tsaki]

wrong again

1.7 million November 2011

1.37 million November 2010

https://www.engadget.com/2011-12-09...ord-with-xbox-360-joined-by-mw3-and-skyr.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.xbox.com/en-us/2010/12/09/november-2010-npd-highlights/amp/

Holy hell! Look at Xbox throwing numbers left and right like it's nobody's business. The only things they report now are the number of people getting in the main menu of a game.

 

[Woopah]

Holy hell! Look at Xbox throwing numbers left and right like it's nobody's business. The only things they report now are the number of people getting in the main menu of a game.

To be fair, this was back in the day where NPD released numbers publicly and the big 3 all did post-NPD press releases. Sadly those are a thing of the past.

 

[Tsaki]

To be fair, this was back in the day where NPD released numbers publicly and the big 3 all did post-NPD press releases. Sadly those are a thing of the past.

I wasn't into these reports back then, so thanks for the clarification. I wonder how these sales get counted. Does NPD have contacts to all the major (and minor?) retailers and get these numbers straight from them? And do they ask permission from MS/Sony/Nintendo if they are allowed to publish them?

 

[mckmas8808]

To be clear I think that PS5 will be outselling Xbox Series for the rest of the generation.

But what I also think is that Microsoft's acquisitions will start resulting in actual games from H2 2023 onwards. Bethesda will deliver their first proper Xbox games in Starfeild and Redfall, and then their other acquisitions will be paying off in 2024 with Avowed and Hellblade 2 (maybe Perfect Dark as well?)

Even their ABK acquisition could start paying off in the 2nd half of this year, oif it goes through in time and they are able to put this year's COD on Gamepass.

2024 will be a make-or-break year for the Xbox brand.