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Dave2D has done a first impressions video on this new lenovo handheld
Too big.
Next step is to just put controllers on a laptop
Dave2D has done a first impressions video on this new lenovo handheld
This already existsToo big.
Next step is to just put controllers on a laptop
Z1 is just a low power version of Ryzen 7000. Mini PCs don't have to run on battery.Is there a reason no one has used a z1 for a sff mini pc? Seems like a great combo that would be pretty cheap
Not impressed at all. It has a lot of gimmick features and if you don't care about competitive FPS or table mode, its entire appeal just falls apart. I still think the display is just a resource hog and battery size is way too little given its Steam Deck plus size. Very odd construction that tries to be everything at once. SD trackpads already solved the FPS issue so this detachable mouse mode is just weird. For a 7840U handheld, the asking price in USD seems fair though.
The GO trackpad seems to be just a generic laptop trackpad. This isn't really comparable to the Deck's excellent tactile feedback track pads. I'm guessing Deck trackpads also work so well due to the fact that Valve has controller influence at an OS level. I doubt the GO track pads can be used for gaming.
The gimmick features are that the controllers are detachable. The cost that is paid for this (battery-to-size ratio is horrible) is just too much and why I consider it a gimmick feature that ultimately hurts the device more than helps. I would any day take non-detachable controllers but instead bigger battery life over the opposite. This is a handheld and battery life will always be important. Detachable controllers may have its use at times but nowhere as universally important feature as a good battery. Those other advantages you mentioned have already been achieved by other handheld manufacturers (although nowhere as big as Lenovo) so I don't consider it a major paradigm shift. This thing is also actually even bigger than SD which I already consider the breaking point of being too big. So this really only appeals to the crowd who don't mind a big handheld but also don't mind losing out on battery. The display is nice but 1600p is simply too much for the Z1 Extreme chip and most of the time, you're playing way below that. Even 1200p is many times too taxing on modern games. And with its smaller battery, it's not like you'll be playing at 20-25W most of the time to make native 1600p gameplay remotely possible. If they had cranked in a 65Wh battery life in there, 20W gameplay would be more feasible, meaning you would get 20-30% more performance for the same battery life.What are the ‘gimmick features’? Even if you don’t care about the FPS mode, it’ll be a better mouse for desktop use than the Steamdeck trackpad.
Saying ‘it’s entire appeal just falls apart’ when it has a much bigger, much better display than competitors, has Hall effect sticks and comes with more powerful hardware than the Deck with better software compatibility is just weird.
I’m not sure how it ‘tries to be everything at once’ any more than the Steamdeck.
I disagree. The tactile trackpads on Deck are sublime and gives so much more precision and comfort over a regular flat laptop trackpad.it can be used for gaming, and there’s not that much added benefit for gaming that tactile trackpads bring to the table for the deck.
and no one use it.I disagree. The tactile trackpads on Deck are sublime and gives so much more precision and comfort over a regular flat laptop trackpad.
The gimmick features are that the controllers are detachable. The cost that is paid for this (battery-to-size ratio is horrible) is just too much and why I consider it a gimmick feature that ultimately hurts the device more than helps. I would any day take non-detachable controllers but instead bigger battery life over the opposite. This is a handheld and battery life will always be important. Detachable controllers may have its use at times but nowhere as universally important feature as a good battery. Those other advantages you mentioned have already been achieved by other handheld manufacturers (although nowhere as big as Lenovo) so I don't consider it a major paradigm shift. This thing is also actually even bigger than SD which I already consider the breaking point of being too big. So this really only appeals to the crowd who don't mind a big handheld but also don't mind losing out on battery. The display is nice but 1600p is simply too much for the Z1 Extreme chip and most of the time, you're playing way below that. Even 1200p is many times too taxing on modern games. And with its smaller battery, it's not like you'll be playing at 20-25W most of the time to make native 1600p gameplay remotely possible. If they had cranked in a 65Wh battery life in there, 20W gameplay would be more feasible, meaning you would get 20-30% more performance for the same battery life.
I disagree. The tactile trackpads on Deck are sublime and gives so much more precision and comfort over a regular flat laptop trackpad.
The ROG Ally has all of that too but cheaper and it came earlier...Saying ‘it’s entire appeal just falls apart’ when it has a much bigger, much better display than competitors, has Hall effect sticks and comes with more powerful hardware than the Deck with better software compatibility is just weird.
The ROG Ally has all of that too but cheaper and it came earlier...
The people who wanted their linux touchpad handheld got one, the people who wanted the ultra powerful 120hz handheld got one. It's gonna be hard to create a new market based off of a joystick that turns into a mouse.
An external controller can be found for like $40 and provide greater comfort and quality than the Go "joy cons" since the GO controllers don't slide into one like Switch does. Like you say, the detachable controllers are great if you want to use it for other purposes besides it being a handheld. This is why I consider these features gimmicks. They're not part of the handheld experience. They are advertising it almost like a mini PC with how they are advertising its mouse features. The display is used because it's the same display used in a Lenovo tablet. So for them it was very cheap to just re-use the same display rather than custom make for this handheld. You can always set the resolution to 1200p on the display, which I recommend people to do. But I won't make too much fuss about the display because it seems to be good, even if way overkill for a Z1 Extreme/7840U handheld.Again, it looks like you’re working to find reasons to dislike the device. Detachable controllers may be a gimmick to some, but to others it allows options for custom controllers, allows you to detach it and use the device as a Windows tablet, you can forgo the controllers entirely on a trip and use a PlayStation or Xbox controller, for example.
Detachable controllers also means you can plug it into mains, hook up to a TV or monitor and game without an external controller.
The high resolution display could be a major battery drain, but you are not mandated to run your games at native resolution. It scales perfectly to the Steamdeck’s native resolution and should provide decent battery life at the Deck’s 800p resolution, while giving you excellent boost in resolution for less demanding games and movies and apps.
Battery size could be bigger, but it’s also got a higher capacity than that found in the deck or Ally, so you could feasibly get equivalent battery life at 15W with better performance, or at least decent battery life at 20W.
You keep saying ‘smaller battery’. Smaller, compared to what?
‘Tactile trackpad’ just means it has haptics built it. I’m not sure what that’s got to do with precision and comfort.
Really? Does the z1 extreme do like 8tf or something? The 7840 does more?Z1 is just a low power version of Ryzen 7000. Mini PCs don't have to run on battery.
IIRC there are some mini PCs with 7840HS, basically the Z1 Extreme on steroids.
They have the same GPU, but Z1 has lower TDP.Really? Does the z1 extreme do like 8tf or something? The 7840 does more?
The steam deck already massively raised my expectations for mobile gaming. Can't imagine what one of these babies would do.The glasses they were showing off looked cool, one site said led, most others said oled. One site said $329, other one said $499.
Well, it stands on it's own and has 2 usb4 ports, any adapter will workIf it has a dock for external monitors. I will 100% get it.
Yeah good luck. It's surprising that there hasn't been a popular affordable entry-level device targeting directly the Switch. Many games play quite well even with that cheap Tegra processor. I don't think I would be willing to pay more than $300-400 for a device like this.
250 dollars.
Here you go, have a nice day
I have a KVM setup. So I'll need a dock.Well, it stands on it's own and has 2 usb4 ports, any adapter will work
well, it's what you wanted... I thought it was a dumb product myself really.Costs 50 dollars more than Switch and performs worse? Cult of the lamb runs at 60fps on switch. 2 hours of Hollow Knight drains all of it's battery? That will only reduce %30-40 of Switch's battery. And you can't "switch" to TV!
It seems Switch is the king of cheap handhelds and will be the king for a long time.
Legit.The PS3 was unironically the best valued console for its time and some of these handhelds have insane value considering how much laptops with similar chipsets costs. I'd rather spend $800 on a device that allows instant access to my already purchased library rather than spend $300 and then be forced to buy every game at $60-70 with paid online subscriptions and underwhelming specs.
What other design are you going to make lol. It’s not like the switch design was groundbreaking. Where else are the screen and joysticks going to go?Are you kiddin me? Steam Deck is an obvious copy of the Switch besides that it is a Handheld PC. Display in the middle, joysticks on the left and right. The design and layout are reminiscent to the Switch.
Yeah, these things are way too big for me. I like my handhelds to be smaller, I know there's that one Ayaneo with the OLED that is more Switch lite sized but Aya devices are too expensive for me.This looks absolutely gigantic and I thought the Steam deck was already reaching the limits of bulk.
Legit.
You wanna know how much i spent on my Steam Deck after getting it? not a single penny. Got the device. put in an SD card, all i need. Once i get my 2230 SSD that will grow to 80/100 dollars, maybe.
How much did i spend on my Switch lite after getting it? More than the price of 3 Switches combined. 3 AAA games make up the price of the console alone and i bought far more than just 3. My library on that device was around 100 games and quite a few of them were 60 dollar Nintendo ones, too. Online play cost me 20 bucks a year too and i paid for that 3 times.
I'd rather spend a fortune upfront and not have to worry about money for the next couple of years than pay a little and get extracted for money more and more.
I agree when it comes to build quality but in terms of function eh. The Steam Deck still has the most robust control scheme of any PC handheld and it's taking centuries for other competitors to get the memo.But Steam Deck is far from a premium handheld.
Yes, mostly likely it will ran all games but at lower resolution compared to Series S.You know the thought of just using the tablet in bed with an 8bitdo Ultimate is pretty appealing to me. I’m guessing this thing will be able to run anything that the Series S can? (Basically, it’ll last until the end of this console generation?)
well yeah. on a handheld it's not needed for everything to run at 1080pYes, mostly likely it will ran all games but at lower resolution compared to Series S.
I agree in terms of input methods, SD is phenomenal. Being able to play RTS with controllers is just top comfy. I will give it a minus however for its sheer width. It does strain my fingers when dealing with the triggers and sticks simultaneously. IMO Proper gamepads feel good because they are firmly placed in the grip. Wrist and fingers are naturally semi-flexed which is a relaxing pose to have.I agree when it comes to build quality but in terms of function eh. The Steam Deck still has the most robust control scheme of any PC handheld and it's taking centuries for other competitors to get the memo.
The Deck's control scheme (and i'm not kidding here) is better than pretty much any controller on PC, even Mouse and keyboard in some ways. It badly makes me want a steam controller 2.
Fully supported gyro, 4 remappable buttons, 2 touchpads with haptics. analog trigger support (without gutting the gyro like you'd have to with Xinput) and great ergonomics to top it off. I can't think of a single other controller with that many features and that much compatibility, if they put it on PC it'd be a day 1 purchase.
This looks absolutely gigantic and I thought the Steam deck was already reaching the limits of bulk.
8' is godly and the perceived difference from 7' to 8' is night and day. I could imagine something like GPD Win Mini but with 8' display would be the perfect combination between portability and usability. Windows on smaller screens is just rough.None of these devices are even close to being portable or pocketable, so the real limit is how large of a screen is actually comfortable to hold with attached controllers. I'd say the 6" - 7" screens are actually too small from a usability perspective. Zoomed out isometric stuff like Diablo, BG3, and RTS/Strat games are difficult to parse on such small screens. Switch 2 is supposedly 8"s.
Depends on the availability of outlets and charging, the ally and lenovo will have better performance but the deck is king at lower tdps so the battery lasts longerIf I get this new gig I interviewed for I’d be traveling 2 weeks of the month. I’m wondering if these devices will be my main way to play . Unsure what device would be the best of the bunch.
Any recommendations?
It would be in a hotel room with charger. Likely usb TVs with 1080p display is per the norm now .Depends on the availability of outlets and charging, the ally and lenovo will have better performance but the deck is king at lower tdps so the battery lasts longer
For 1080p definitely ally/lenovo or one of the chinese brands.It would be in a hotel room with charger. Likely usb TVs with 1080p display is per the norm now .
I’m not sure what I can even expect from these machines which is why I am hoping a switch 2 is announced so I could at least work on a Xenoblade backlog on it.
There is a wide array of great devices available today. Steam Deck is the cheapest and a great baseline device. And has best compatibility with KBM games. Ally has a nice and bright VRR display and a more modern processor. There is also half a dozen more Chinese brands carrying the powerful 7840U chipset. I'd start by looking if there is a bargain to be had in the used department. All these devices are sold for good prices in the used market. The 7840U/Zen 4 devices are also emulation monsters so that's also something to bare in mind. You'll probably be best of looking at some Youtubers like Phawx/RetroGamer/TakiUdon and so on to get a decent understanding of what's out there and what you personally prioritize.If I get this new gig I interviewed for I’d be traveling 2 weeks of the month. I’m wondering if these devices will be my main way to play . Unsure what device would be the best of the bunch.
Any recommendations?
I recommend something with 32GB RAM. If you can find faster 32GB LPDDR5x at 7000 or higher that would be even better. That way you can allocate 8GB to GPU without hampering the rest of the system.If I get this new gig I interviewed for I’d be traveling 2 weeks of the month. I’m wondering if these devices will be my main way to play . Unsure what device would be the best of the bunch.
Any recommendations?