rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Make them bigger if you have ogre hands.
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Lenovo’s Legion Go handheld gaming PC ($799) specs leaked, QHD+ screen, Oct release
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StereoVsn
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That works ok on a larger screen and not so much on a small handheld. It’s just not a good interface for the purpose.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
For me Windows on Deck works ok with default sized icons. Much faster with less limitations than dpad or track pad navigation.
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TrebleShot
Member
Generally love these devices, have the ally, went back to the deck after a while just for ease of use and ergonomics, this looks like a better bridge between deck and ally.
Biggest thing for me is that almost no bezel screen, looks awesome but not sure I'm going to get one.
Biggest thing for me is that almost no bezel screen, looks awesome but not sure I'm going to get one.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
But are they beastly enough for native 2560x1600?
Topher
Gold Member
Seems like resolution that high is wasted on a screen this size.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And the IQ will look like a mess if you drop resolution for more demanding games.
Also, Lenovo guy has a lot to say about the lack of VRR in the device, suggesting it isn't a big deal. Thoughts?
people who have received their units confirm it’s a native portrait display.
half the people here happily played on Steamdeck without VRR, so it’s a bit weird seeing the focus on VRR.
I’m not sure I’d characterize 120hz as ‘pointless’ since there’s a lot of folks who play older games or simpler games like Ori or Cuphead or Hades etc.
I suspect some of the comments here are down to Ally owners considering one, a move im not sure makes that much sense. For fresh purchasers, I’m not sure a VRR display does enough to outweigh some of the significant advantages for the Legion Go’s display and form factor.
Touch targets at an 8.8 inch display size are bigger than those in SteamOS desktop mode, so I’m not sure why this is being cited as a Windows issue.
StereoVsn
Member
SteamOS Desktop is largely unusable, IMO, without KBM.
VRR is really nice with Ally. On Steam Deck side 40hz support was a big deal, hopefully Lenovo can support that.
Topher
Gold Member
Really? I saw that one guy's video, but haven't seen anyone else confirm. Strange that the Lenovo guy was adamant that is was landscape.
As an Ally owner, the larger display is what has me interested in the Go, but now that I've seen it side by side with Ally a bit more, I think I'll just stick with Ally.
Not a Windows issue. Both are difficult to navigate in desktop mode, but really when someone has the device in hand they should primarily be using the custom software overlays made for each device.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I use Desktop mode very well with touch screens + virtual kb button for every non Steam stuff.
Just use RTSS for 40fps on Lenovo.
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StereoVsn
Member
There is a difference between RTSS and having display actually running natively at 40hz.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Steam Deck can run natively at 40hz? Afaik, it's only a cap/custom refresh rate as the screen is not VRR or freesync.
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StereoVsn
Member
They rolled it out during one of firmware updates. Don’t think it’s just a cap, but the screen specifically supports 40hz refresh. Could be wrong I guess, but that’s what I remember from before.
alucard0712_rus
Member
4K 480fps on 6 inch display probably sell better
Sleepwalker
Member
I'm interested in this actually, I like the size and I think older games will look incredible on that screen. I barely use my Deck nowadays because it's by far the worst screen in my house.
GHG
Member
No you're correct. The screens refresh rate is what changes to being 40hz, which is a big difference to a simple 40fps framerate limit on a 60hz screen.
But people manage to use iPad minis just fine, and there's a touchpad.
marjo
Member
If you drop it to 1280 x 800 it should scale perfectly since that's exactly quarter resolution.
StereoVsn
Member
Hence the issue is not necessarily the size but Windows interface.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
And the blurriness?
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
First 30 minute impressions:
Screen is a looker mostly due to the lack of bezel and how Lenovo framed it with the controllers.
Installed steam and popped in my SD card from a steam deck or ally, and jumped into BG3 really quick. 60fps without messing with anything (steam overlay).
Will need to spend some time playing it before any final judgements.
Screen is a looker mostly due to the lack of bezel and how Lenovo framed it with the controllers.
Installed steam and popped in my SD card from a steam deck or ally, and jumped into BG3 really quick. 60fps without messing with anything (steam overlay).
Will need to spend some time playing it before any final judgements.
marjo
Member
That's my point. Since it's an exact multiple of the native res, It wouldn't be any more blurry than a native 800p screen. At that size, if will look fine.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Alot of what he is saying is correct, but I almost only get screen tearing at high FPS (beyond gsync range) or games that are artificially locked to 30.
Without vsync you will get tearing if a frame is delivered in the middle of a scan. VRR usually doesn't work below 40.
Klosshufvud
Member
It's bigger than big (Steam Deck) and I am disappointed they didn't a fit a bigger battery and better fans in there. Atleast Ally's smaller battery is balanced by it being smaller and lighter device. I'll be biased here and say my Aokzoe is just a better variant of it.
Onironauta
Member
All Z1E/7840U handhelds are pretty much equivalent, it would be waste to get more than one IMO, better wait for the next gen
GHG
Member
For me the steam deck is basically a backlog and indie machine (and for emulators), that's where it really shines.
No way would I want it as my only/primary gaming machine though. It's more of a companion device.
FingerBang
Member
I seriously don't get how all these manufacturer keep going for high-res and high refresh rate without VRR on a machine that struggles to run at above 60fps on most recent games. There is literally no way to make good use of that resolution and refresh rate on this machine. The Ally is the only one that makes sense and it came out months ago. What the hell?
And, if you only care about older games, you can pay half the price and get a Steam Deck.
StereoVsn
Member
Yeah, if Lenovo had 32GB (or even 24GB so can allocate 8GB to GPU), and good VRR screen, I would be tempted to dump Ally and perhaps Steam Deck.
As it is there isn’t much point.
Topher
Gold Member
Yeah, a lot of games just don't make sense on handhelds. Here is what I have installed currently on my Ally.
My PC has the larger games like BG3, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.
StereoVsn
Member
Surprisingly Cyberpunk and Spiderman are fine on Ally/Deck. You won’t get that much runtime but performance isn’t too bad all things considered.Yeah, a lot of games just don't make sense on handhelds. Here is what I have installed currently on my Ally.
My PC has the larger games like BG3, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.
BG3 would also work but I hate squinting at the maps, lol. It’s the same with a lot of Paradox games. They will run but small screen plus large map with details just doesn’t work for me.
Sleepwalker
Member
Price? Any decent promo/rakuten going on? Lenovo sometimes has crazy deals lol
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Is this motherfucker trying to run phantom liberty on Overdrive or what?
Topher
Gold Member
I installed Cyberpunk initially to run its benchmark and I was really surprised how well it performed. I just suck playing first person shooters with controllers. Gotta have keyboard and mouse. Plus, that game looks so damn good on my big screen.
StereoVsn
Member
Steam Deck with Gyro and trackpads works quite well once you get used to it. Ally is more problematic but has slightly better performance.
I do normally use KBM on FPS games though as well.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
The Steam Deck control scheme is superior to any PC (or console) controller I've used, even ignoring the trackpads, the capacitive thumbsticks (which people seemingly don't really talk much about despite their use for making gyro more tolerable) and the 4 back buttons make this thing a beauty to use. The biggest flaw are the shoulder buttons
StereoVsn
Member
Yeah, an updated Steam Deck with 8000 series chipset, better screen and 32gb would be pretty great.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
I swear I thought Cult of the Lamb runs at 30fps with drops on Switch, I have this game on PC and the Switch, and it's nowhere near 60fps.Costs 50 dollars more than Switch and performs worse? Cult of the lamb runs at 60fps on switch. 2 hours of Hollow Knight drains all of it's battery? That will only reduce %30-40 of Switch's battery. And you can't "switch" to TV!
It seems Switch is the king of cheap handhelds and will be the king for a long time.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Hahahaha no.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
ok let me guess you tried running portal RTX and your Ally went up in flames?
OverHeat
« generous god »
No but I found that the latest game had trouble having a good framerate and resolution so I sold my Ally to a buddy of mine the steam deck is now my girlfriend Indy console.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
ehh. I still feel like that's more part on the devs and UE5 than it is the issue of the Ally not being powerful enough. the Z1 Extreme in that thing is about as capable as a 5800x. Hopefully the next revision of the Ally/Deck improves upon the GPU power since I feel like that's the main thing lacking with these handhelds when it comes to power. And efficiency, of course.
Hope your girlfriend enjoys that deck though... (wait that sounded wrong)
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Indies only? You can play "PS360" and older games very well and some "PS4" games too plus emulation.
