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Keighley: Epic says UE4 not targeted at Wii U on GTTV, Epic responds [Updated Again]
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abstract alien
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davonaytor
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Hmmm, unfortunate for people who wanted a very powerful Nintendo system. I honestly don't think Epic is going to get the specs they want with the next gen consoles.
Microsoft has seen how well something like Kinect can work for them, we'll have to wait and see what they do with their next generation console. Sony, I assume, would have the most powerful next generation system, that just seems like the type of company they are these days, and Nintendo is banking on the whole tablet thing/slightly more powerful than current generation, they are taking some smart actions by providing Autodesk and Havok licenses to developers.
Here's what UE3 brought us this generation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3. If UE4 gets the same support as UE3 did this gen, Nintendo fans wouldn't be missing out on too much. (Don't interpret that sentence the wrong way). The great stuff on there looks like Batman Arkham Asylum/City, Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands/2, Mass Effect series, Mirror's Edge, Mortal Kombat, Shadow Complex, XCOM. Some fantastic games, but nothing a Nintendo fan can't live without, or get on PC.
Microsoft has seen how well something like Kinect can work for them, we'll have to wait and see what they do with their next generation console. Sony, I assume, would have the most powerful next generation system, that just seems like the type of company they are these days, and Nintendo is banking on the whole tablet thing/slightly more powerful than current generation, they are taking some smart actions by providing Autodesk and Havok licenses to developers.
Here's what UE3 brought us this generation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unreal_Engine_games#Unreal_Engine_3. If UE4 gets the same support as UE3 did this gen, Nintendo fans wouldn't be missing out on too much. (Don't interpret that sentence the wrong way). The great stuff on there looks like Batman Arkham Asylum/City, Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands/2, Mass Effect series, Mirror's Edge, Mortal Kombat, Shadow Complex, XCOM. Some fantastic games, but nothing a Nintendo fan can't live without, or get on PC.
Thunder Monkey
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Very good chance.
Surely the devkit of that time?
the difference is N64 & Gamecube was pretty high console specs for their time so when they was making the demos no one was used to working with the tech that was in them.
The Wii U just like Vita should be easy to hit the ground running because it's around the same specs as the PS3/360 & you already have a good idea of how to push it.
Sho_Nuff82
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There are over 150 UE3 games on the market, and that's all you could pick out as even decent?
Yup. Each gen, a new frontrunner has a chance. The Xbox/GC/PS2 gen was Renderware's time, then EA bought it and everyone went "nopenopenope". Epic can end up with the same fate if they continue with their lackluster developer-to-developer support.
Which is why RAD Game Tools will never die, those guys give EXCELLENT support.
Still torn on whether I want to be here to watch the onslaught, or just show up later and enjoy after things have calmed down.
JunkYardSubs
Banned
That chart Gahiggidy made is based on percentages, so it's weird.
If you use 360 as the baseline value 1 and say best case scenario WiiU is 5x arbitrary power units more powerful than 360 and 720 is 8x arbitrary power units more powerful than 360, the on that scale with 8x being 100%, WiiU would be 62%. So it all depends on how powerful he assumes 720 will be and arbitrary power units!
If you use 360 as the baseline value 1 and say best case scenario WiiU is 5x arbitrary power units more powerful than 360 and 720 is 8x arbitrary power units more powerful than 360, the on that scale with 8x being 100%, WiiU would be 62%. So it all depends on how powerful he assumes 720 will be and arbitrary power units!
davonaytor
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Yep, that's word for word what I said, only those are decent.
But seriously, please read through the list I posted. I will admit, not including the Gears trilogy would probably anger some people (but I think that series is horribly overrated), and maybe some games that have small cult followings (Asura's Wrath, Section 8, I remember some people thinking Singularity was really awesome), but I did write "Some fantastic games, but nothing a Nintendo fan can't live without,".
InsaneLuchador
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Was surprised by that myself. Epic could have some downgraded version down the line though.
JunkYardSubs
Banned
I'm in the same boat but it's still really stupid that we basically have to accept the fact that developers won't try to do cool stuff with the Wii U before its even out.
because exclusives don't mean shit anymore
...apart from Nintendo's, which means the Wii U will do fine regardless of it running UE4 or not.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Umm, well I was just going for distance... all we know for sure is that the two xboxes are on on the far ends of the scale with Sony and Nintendo's machines somewhere in the middle. More of an eyeball thing, with 50 being the midpoint in generational leap.
But the best info we have is that the Wii U will have ~2 Gigs of Ram, a four-fold increase over what is in the Xbox 360 and PS3. Even if the rest of the specifications are only double what was in those two machines, there ought to be a lot of room for developers to work with.
I have thought this as well but they would be wasting their time with all of these demo reels at GDC and the upcoming one at E3 if that were the case. At least one of the consoles will run it acceptably, but the interesting situation is if it is only one. Sony could opt out of going crazy on hardware again.
But we wouldn't be seeing this kind of push from Epic if they thought only high end PCs were going to run the engine. Crysis 2 & 3 wouldn't be console games if the high end gamer market on PC were that large.
Really? Off the top of my head:
Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Metroid Prime 3/Trilogy
New Super Mario Bros Wii
Wario Land
Mario Kart
Kirby's Epic Yarn and Return to Dreamland
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Motherfucking Xenoblade
Zelda: Skyward Sword (and even Twilight Princess)
It's a fucking great lineup for first party games, rivalling the best of the Gamecube and N64.
The question wasnt "Can Wii-u run UE4?", it was "Can you hint if wii-u can run UE4?".... To which he answered no.
People assume publishers and developers are going to immediately replace their UE3 licenes with UE4 licenses, especially if their production costs will skyrocket to use it and how much the base UE4 licensing is.
Ubisoft is still using their damn UE2 license.
Glass Rebel
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...Suddenly I'm excited for E3.
I really don't get it either. To me Wii's lineup has been much better than GCN's. I bought a lot more games on Wii than GCN.
Why is this a surprise? Has the WiiU shown anything besides a meh Zelda tech demo and then footage of ps360 games?
To each their own, I was the opposite. I found almost all of the exclusives named in LIST WARZ to be out and out bad, mediocre, or potentially great but completely crippled by inconsistent waggle detection forced as an action that is shouldn't be. (DKCR I'm glaring at you)
To each their own, I was the opposite. I found almost all of the exclusives named in LIST WARZ to be out and out bad, mediocre, or potentially great but completely crippled by inconsistent waggle detection forced as an action that is shouldn't be. (DKCR I'm glaring at you)
JunkYardSubs
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Wario Land, NSM Wii and Mario Kart were EHHH
Thats not that long of a list even though I loved quite a few of those games
phosphor112
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I laugh at those who thought otherwise.
Death Dealer
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That is my sense as well. There was a poll on B3D. Most respondents thought it would be equal or slightly better than this generation. A year ago, I thought it would be more like a 40-50, but I don't think that anymore. It looks like they are following a similar formula to last time. Release a mild upgrade of current gen tech in the new system at an affordable price with a novel controller. This time it's the tablet. But like someone said, it won't be as bad as this gen since Wii-U will be an HD system. A Mario platformer on a system with PS3/X360's power would be gorgeous.
soxinthebox
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So there's only one great game in the Wii's library that wasn't a sequel/rehash?
the bird demo
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Deleted member 30609
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the hyping of UE4 among gaming consumers is kind of gross
I don't think so
To be fair, the old Splinter Cell team was really lazy. Things can change with it being switched over to the Toronto studio!
...I hope...
Empyrean Heaven
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It begins.
Demon Lizardman
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This is a terrible thread, unfortunately I can see this happening with the Wii U sadly. There goes a Metroid PRime game without having those graphics.
CrazedProfessional
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Yeah but were Sony and Microsoft's lists longer? Pretty sure Nintendo is the only First Party powerhouse left when it comes to a consistent siege of exclusives.
I hate how people can say "Nintendo doesn't get the 3rd parties" then people say "But Nintendo games are good!" then they reply "That list isn't long enough!"
List wars are horrible.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
So many people are way too emotionally invested in Nintendo to be so affected by this thread and UE4 possibly not running on it. Mark Rein and Epic want to have their engine run on as many platforms as possible. They aren't anti Nintendo. They are pro dollar. If the Wii U isnt capable of UE4 blame Nintendo.
If a developer wants to use UE4 in a Wii U game but can't, they'll simply put it on another console. You will still get to play it. You won't, however, be able to play Nintendo's own titles on any other system. The Wii got a lot of shit for being a Nintendo player -- but that alone was worth the price of admission. And there will be enough developers who want to use the unique properties of the tablet controller that there should still be some stellar third-party experiences on the Wii U.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
This is currently how I see things. I'm disappointed in Nintendo. I mean I had a PC that ran Crysis years ago...
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
I disagree, the first year of GCN releases was much stronger (imo). Pikmin, Roge Leader, Luigi's Mansion, Eternal Darkness, RE:remake, Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime. All those titles had a lasting impressions on me (well, maybe not ED)... while with Wii it was just Sports and Galaxy. After the first year it doesn't matter.; by then I lose interest in games per se and stick to following gaming news and posting on message boards.
DXB-KNIGHT
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I think its more UE4 won't support WiiU more than WiiU can't support UE4.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
The Vita doesn't have the horsepower of a PS3 or 360.
This is a pretty disappointing news, if true. I can't believe they made it so advanced that it cannot run on a machine that should be powerful than the current consoles. I'd really love to know why they omitted the Wii U, or what hardware features it doesn't meet for the engine to run satisfactorily.
This is currently how I see things. I'm disappointed in Nintendo. I mean I had a PC that ran Crysis years ago...
PS3/360 have Crysis
