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At the box office: The Avengers vs The Dark Knight Rises
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Messypandas
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the box-office thread will be a mess
Speedymanic
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I don't know about anyone else, but I'm heavily invested in Rises doing well.
I've got a 10 bucks bet on it beating TA overall. That's serious money.
I've got a 10 bucks bet on it beating TA overall. That's serious money.
Not that it matters anymore, but it does make a difference. The 3D tax ups the price of each regular ticket by 25-33%.
Colonel Nasty
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God damn. Its a dollar fifty extra at my theater. (relatively small town)
I think that all these 'unofficial' figures that are floating around are simply too vague to really be taken as anything more than guesstimates at this moment in time.
But if that is the final 3 day number for TDKR then there is no doubt that the shooting in Aurora played a huge part in people's decision to not go and see the film this weekend.
For example even WB's own conservative estimates were for $170m over the three days.
The cheerleading that goes on for massive corporations that don't give a fuck about them by some posters is stomach churning.
The very notion that somebody could be excited about the financial performance of a film from a major multi national corporation like Disney or Time Warner is genuinely disturbing to me.
You have no idea. I have a feeling we may see a record number of bans.
A very, very ugly side of fandom may rear it's insufferable head.
People want to see things they like do well so that companies will make more things like them.
Dreams-Visions
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no 3D premium = couldn't compete in pure numbers with The Avengers anyway.
What utter, utter nonsense. If that was even remotely true these things should be in black or white. Did project 'A' make a profit to warrant a sequel/continuation? If the answer is yes then that is where the conversation should start and stop.
It's a numbers game for some people. Cheering on a film's box office performance like it's a football score and it's getting worse.
No, if a certain movie or game does extremely extremely well, a lot of companies will put out similar products, not just sequels. The actors/directors will get more opportunities, etc.
Inception wouldn't have been made if the 2 prior Batman movies didn't make a lot of money.
Oh get off your high horse. There's nothing wrong with cheering for something you like and enjoy to do well and be a success.
Colonel Nasty
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I still think the Dark Knight is the best superhero film of all time but I couldn't help but root for the Avengers after everyone preemptively shit on it in that box office prediction thread.
Edit:I just realized this is the same thread.
Edit:I just realized this is the same thread.
What does Chris Nolan's success have to do with people cheering on the performance of a Batman versus an Avengers movie?
You're confusing a product performing well (Nolan's films) with people supporting the financial performances of a company's film or game despite having no vested financial interest in the project themselves.
What the fuck do I care if WB and Legendary ultimately loose money on this new Batman film? I won't stand to benefit it it makes billions of dollars at the box office.
If I'm interested in the product then I go and see it (which I will do for TDKR next week) but that's as far as I'm willing to support the product.
Wanting something to be a success is one thing but then cheering the performance of one corporations product against another as if they were competing football teams is totally repugnant.
lazybones18
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Unspeakable Evil
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The meltdowns will be glorious.
Doesn't constantly bringing up and reveling in just how much of a failure films like Battleship are for their respective studios fall into the same territory? You can't have it both ways.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
Jesus, calm the fuck down. Repugnant? It's just a bit of fun. It's not like we want Joss Whedon and everyone involved to be publicly humiliated, and that's not what is happening in any way.
I think people have tempered their "enthusiasm" for tr upcoming box office thread because of the aurora shooting.
Some fans of comic book movies like Nolan's take on superhero movies (dark, gritty, usage of IMAX, disdain for 3D). If you care about those types of quality in comic book movies, of course you'll care if it loses money. Some people like Nolan films period, and financial success has been easily correlated with his creative freedom in future endeavors.
Nothing in quotes from my previous responses did you mention the Avengers vs. TDKR angle. You're simply railing against cheering for financial success short of being profitable enough to warrant a sequel.
quickwhips
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The Avengers was way better than The Dark Knight Rises to me. If this had been The Dark Knight vs The Avengers my opinion might have been different. I just can't see people watching The Dark Knight Rises over and over again. It wasn't as fun. The lines weren't as great as The Dark Knight. I think in a few weeks once the hype slows down most people will start to see all the flaws in The Dark Knight Rises more clearly. It was an OK ending to a trilogy. I"m glad Nolan is done with Batman so we can get a great comic book Batman movie. Nola needs to do more movies like Inception or The prestige.
XiaNaphryz
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If TDKR does end up around 160, then the 3d argument may end up moot anyway as Avengers OW would have still beat that number without the 3d margin: at 52% of it was reportedly 3d, assuming an average 3d margin of 35% would mean Avengers OW would be around 170 instead of 207. Raise that to 40% and it's around 165.
Vyse The Legend
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Ding, ding, ding. Why are people trying to argue otherwise?
SunhiLegend
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The Avengers was just another Transformers type movie for me, but with better action and slighty better characters. No emotional connection with any of the characters and a weak villian who I didn't care much for. It a fun action movie, but not at the level of TDKR for me, I was just more emotionally engaged, which is probably because it's the last film of the trilogy.
planar1280
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http://news.yahoo.com/hollywood-declares-box-office-truce-massacre-123346421.html
No numbers this weekend, WB and all rival studios will not publish any numbers. any numbers we get have been pulled out of analysts ass. real numbers on Monday
No numbers this weekend, WB and all rival studios will not publish any numbers. any numbers we get have been pulled out of analysts ass. real numbers on Monday
That's a fair observation but it's the supportive mentality that goes with this 'corporate cheerleading' that baffles and concerns me.
I hated Battleship and everything it stood for (creatively bankrupt etc, etc) but ultimately I had no vested interest in that project. If it had been a hit and earned a sequel it would have annoyed the living shit out of me but nothing more.
Was I reveling in how badly it's going to impact Comcast's (etc) earnings? Yes. But if anything that's a smug victory dance. For example I'm not supporting one corporation and looking for one of it's rivals to stumble or fall which I have seen people do in the past.
The way some posters go on about films/projects etc you'd have thought that they were investors and were going to share in it's financial success.
Why would anyone meltdown?
What? Who said anything about humiliating Whedon?! I don't understand how that even figures into what I'm saying...,
If fanboys want to engage in a Whedon vs. Nolan argument then that's fair enough if slightly baffling considering how different the films and the directors filmography are etc.
Colonel Nasty
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Not trying to downplay the tragedy but if they would have had a record breaking weekend they would have still published the numbers. WB should have said this on Friday, not hours before they come out.
planar1280
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but they havent yet
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
I'm just referring to the use of the word repugnant, it suggests we're behaving like animals who want humiliation, which I think it's fair to say is an exaggeration
I doubt it. It would be considered bad form to do victory laps in the wake of the murders. Even more so if they DID have a record breaking weekend.
I guess that's fair, but the people who are cheering when certain films aren't doing as well as expected are just morons.
Escape Goat
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This thread got toxic. It was fun before to see people get riled up in a numbers game in whih they have nothing to gain from. But now its just people arguing with them. No fun. 
They did say this on Friday, iirc.
Colonel Nasty
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I dont doubt that the tragedy lowered the opening weekend but Im positive a PR would have spun a record breaking weekend into some "Movie goers dont let the terrorist win, show up in record number for TDK sequel." I just think if they were doing it out of respect they would have said so earlier.
Edit: If they said so earlier then Im in the wrong. Its just the link above was published today.
The Elite
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You see that from all camps and it's a real shame. I just want comic book movies to do well so we get more comic book movies.
Or the guy on the last page who pretty much stated that nobody could love the movie without being a blind fanboy. Good stuff.
Razgriz-Specter
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they even greatly cut down on the advertisements of it.
Messypandas
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I cheered when Tim Burtons latest shit sandwich flopped. I made a camp-fire and danced around it like wild indians
Discotheque
Banned
And yet it was his most entertaining film since Sleepy Hollow
the wrong Tim Burton film flopped
ViewtifulJC
Banned
When John Carter flopped, I laughed
The movie not being very good helped my enjoyment.
The movie not being very good helped my enjoyment.
Ken Masters
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How was TDKR supposed to compete with a 3d movie? Then you add the shooting which reportedly has had an effect
Nemesis121
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Batman was the better movie, it actually had a plot, while Avengers was a fan service movie..
Discotheque
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Yeah despite my problems with the latest Batman film (and I had quite a few) I still think it's a legitimately better film than Avengers. It had a more interesting plot, though it couldn't completely pull it off, it still tried.
Avengers has great action though.
Avengers has great action though.
TheDrowningMan
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Err...they stated late Friday / Saturday that no numbers would be released yet.
Just came back from a 1:40 showing on a sunday afternoon in the uk. Couldn't believe it when I walked in, the place was like a ghost town. It was seriously surreal, I had booked tickets way in advance thinking it would be absolutely packed. My screening was maybe 1/3 full. In contrast the only time I've seen this place busier than for The Avengers opening was Avatar.
In terms of quality, I'd say both are great films but Avengers is more successful at what it sets out to achieve (will go write more in the OT).
In terms of quality, I'd say both are great films but Avengers is more successful at what it sets out to achieve (will go write more in the OT).
Rentrak and the studios are not reporting the numbers to the press, but the numbers are still being collected and you can bet that people with access to those numbers are leaking to sites like Deadline.
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An ~$160 million weekend is doing just fine!This is terrible. The past few years have been the golden age of cinema for us...
Spiffy_1st
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Have you seen the weather? This is the first time the UK has seen sunlight in months, no one is going to go to the cinema this afternoon.
I saw it last night and it was like 90% full.
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