Thunder Monkey
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In a nutshell?
Big alien threat bad.
Super guys kicking the shit out of them good. Watch aliens go boom! now.
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At the box office: The Avengers vs The Dark Knight Rises
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Big alien threat bad.
Super guys kicking the shit out of them good. Watch aliens go boom! now.
Good Job Bob
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*yawns*
Me and the Hulk emotionally resonanced.
Thunder Monkey
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If that was the point then they failed miserably.
Good thing it wasn't. You can tell by the quality of the action stuff.
Escape Goat
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Whats easy about juggling 6 primary cast members, a villain and facilitating action and story elements all within 2/2.5 hours? How come nobody has been able to do this before if its so easy?
Diprosalic
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the fact of the matter is that this is NOT an easy exercise.
Is just a boring movie with Iron Man and his shitty friends, with a fantastic action scene in the last 30 minutes. The only similar movie was FF, and compared with that, every movie looks like a masterpiece.
Edit: In the end it's going to look like I hate Avengers, I liked it guys, a lot, but I think the movie was flat until the final alien invasion, still one of the best movies of last years for me.
(Iron mas was better) <3 RDJ
Good Job Bob
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Thankfully Mr. Whedon doesn't share the same low ambitions as you, Thunder Monkey:
On Avengers 2 topping Avengers said:
Thunder Monkey
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They weren't using the source material right.
When you've got the big team stuff it's less about the plot and more how you show it.
Especially when you're talking about characters like Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man.
Stories already developed in their own movies allowed Whedon the freedom to just make a spectacle of comic book powerhouses. I was shocked that he was able to weave the weaker characters in as well as he did.
Thin plot, but great moments. I can pick out well framed scenes at any point. I even liked the scene of ScarJo getting the up on Loki.
Bob is generally just being a hater. At this point if it isn't self-parody I'd be more than a little scared for him.
I doubt you'd like the next.
More personal to him is something I've seen you decry on more than one occasion. Probably end up hating it more if he has any input on the script.
Good Job Bob
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I'm not being a hater, I'm fine with Avengers having a thin plot and just being glossy comic book action, I understand why they took such a conventional and safe path, but if that's the way they're going to go for the rest of the sequels than you can count me out.
Escape Goat
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Thats what I'm saying. You have to pick your focus and say "This is what I want my movie to be about." and you go about building your script around it. You can't have deep character driven stories when you have 6 main cast members. Or set up an intricate plot for the heroes to unravel without sacrificing screen time from action or character development. Its give and take.
Thank God. I don't think I could handle you in the Avengers 2 thread.
Then stop whining about it, we get it already. Gosh.
Do you promise?
Good Job Bob
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Nah, if what Joss Whedon said his ambitions are for Avengers 2 end up becoming a reality, I'm going to be very active in that thread, provided I'm still around by then, of course.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I was wondering when other people were going to reach the same concern that unless this is a tiresome joke character shtick its become something of an obsessive mental sickness.
Theres nothing really about TDKR that will make it a phenomenon like TDK, whereas The Avengers felt like something people just hadnt seen before on the big screen with such an ensemble cast and tied flawlessly into an entire other set of films. DC has their work totally cut out for them, and I don't think they're capable of achieving any similar level of inter-connected movie universe despite ironically owning all their properties.
Diprosalic
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let's hope not then.
shockingly i both like the batman movies and avengers but i just don't like how avengers gets downplayed as stupid and shallow. making someone laugh and care at the same time is not easy.
Diprosalic
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heck i don't even think that whedon can pull it off a second time.
Escape Goat
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Its probably Christopher Nolan in disguise. I can just picture him typing in his fancy vests "Avengers was tehs uck. Way below my standards."
But it's not 'The Dark ******' anything. It doesn't need emotional resonance. It just needs to be awesome. Which it was.
Thunder Monkey
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No need to pile on anyway guys.
I like Bob, it just gets a little grating.
We all realize it has a paper thin plot. We still liked it for the spectacle. Seeing Cap bounce Iron Man's repulsor beam, Hulk wailing on Loki. Made not to make you think, but to feel like a kid.
To be in awe of what humanity can envision.
I like Bob, it just gets a little grating.
We all realize it has a paper thin plot. We still liked it for the spectacle. Seeing Cap bounce Iron Man's repulsor beam, Hulk wailing on Loki. Made not to make you think, but to feel like a kid.
To be in awe of what humanity can envision.
I agree. This argument that just because Avengers is light hearted and lacks angst and grimness making it an inferior film is a bullshit argument. I liken it to Star Wars: A New Hope. Both films are pure escapism and an absolute joy to watch.
Joy is a shit emotion, admit it.
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Still weird to see boxofficemojo grinded to a halt like this, I wonder when they'll resume operations..
The Elite
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Aren't we seeing box office numbers today?
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Honestly yeah, it was. TDKR was a very messy movie.
Good Job Bob
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Apparently, still not sure if BOM is going to report them, though, they've been dead silent this past weekend.
Future PhaZe
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I enjoyed The Avengers more than DKR personally. If Spiderman can be added to Avengers 2 its going to kill in terms of sales.
cutmeamango
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You know when you feel that little tingle in the tip of your penis but you know it's not a desire to pee, yet you touch it just to understand it? When your butts clench tight but still a breeze escapes? That moment when the hair of your neck feels funny and you smile for no reason? That split second where you entertain the notion of how must Hulk's penis be like?
That's Avengers.
That's Avengers.
Unspeakable Evil
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Well, that's the Internet for you. You can only like one and the other automatically sucks.
Angry Fork
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You could say all of this about Avatar (which I think is much better than Avengers but gets torn apart on gaf).
Spiderman 2 had a mix of action and storytelling, that's why people loved it so much and still do. Avengers had absolutely nothing of substance. There was no reason for anything to happen at all except everyone's gonna die. I can't get excited about movies like that no matter how good the visuals may be.
Managing to balance story with action is what makes or breaks these films. Dark Knight trilogy does this, Terminator 2 does this, Spiderman 1/2 does this. Avengers does not. Avengers is the Michael Bay of comic book movies whether you guys want to accept it or not. I have no problem if you enjoy Avengers that's fine but you can't claim 'it's a big dumb action movie and it does it so well that's why it's so good!' while also saying something like Avatar is the worst movie ever made. You just can't do that and still be taken serious.
Salvor.Hardin
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Angry Fork
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Dies Iræ;40167187 said:
Avengers isn't very expensive CGI trash?
I don't know what people are on when it comes to this movie, what are you guys seeing that makes it such a masterpiece. Without Bruce Banner and Iron Man it would be one of the most boring pointless redundant films ever made. They carry the entire film with their funny/charming charisma and banter.
Crank is a 'dumb pulp action movie' that's amazing and funny and worth turning your brain off for. I'm okay with watching movies just for fun I'm not the type that says every movie must have an oscar worthy screenplay, but Avengers was so much blaaaaaah. There is absolutely nothing we haven't seen before except Hulk scenes.
If all the reports of an ~$160m opening are accurate, the question of whether tDKR will beat Avengers at the domestic box office is pretty much settled. And given the foreign/domestic split of the previous two entries, the worldwide box office is likely to be settled also. The question then becomes whether tDKR will outdo tDK or not.
Doesn't mean one's a better film than the other, or the reverse. All the numbers mean is that more people are willing to see one film over another at a theater right now for whatever reason.
Doesn't mean one's a better film than the other, or the reverse. All the numbers mean is that more people are willing to see one film over another at a theater right now for whatever reason.
That's a pretty piss poor choice of words considering what happened this weekend. Especially given how critical you were in the BO thread of others.
This is how I feel about Avengers as well. It's a very well done "Michael Bay" type summer action film and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I feel it's much more difficult to see a great story balanced with action and it's much more rewarding to watch a movie that does it competently too.
Thunder Monkey
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I liked Avatar.
I like most movies.
I'm not someone that nitpicks. I see them for what they are. Part of the reason I can enjoy a videogame story without expecting much of them. I understand the limitations presented. You can produce a more profound, funny, insightful movie on $15,000 than $200 million.
Money, means very little overall. The best of experiences can be had relatively cheaply.
If your expectations are in check. I just revel in seeing what humanity can come up with. Shows on shoestring budgets pushing VFX at a level a decade before was relegated to the big screen.
Avengers itched a scratch. Seeing childhood icons represented on the big screen well if only in the action department was awesome.
Now I've always loved ya Angry. I'd appreciate a mellowing of your tone man.
I loved the avengers and TDKR's for very different reasons.
The Avengers is what summer blockbusters should strive to be. Grand, action packed, filled with one liners, and making you go "FUCK YEAH!" when watching on the big screen. I dunno if I can watch it again though, this kind of movie wouldn't feel as grand on a tiny screen.
TDKR's was flawed, but I cared for the plight of the characters. I was emotionally invested in the outcome of the movie in a way that was different from the avengers. The ending had me crying tears of joy. It would be too expensive to go to the theater again but I will buy it on blu ray and rewatch it several times like I did with batman begins and the dark knight.
The Avengers is what summer blockbusters should strive to be. Grand, action packed, filled with one liners, and making you go "FUCK YEAH!" when watching on the big screen. I dunno if I can watch it again though, this kind of movie wouldn't feel as grand on a tiny screen.
TDKR's was flawed, but I cared for the plight of the characters. I was emotionally invested in the outcome of the movie in a way that was different from the avengers. The ending had me crying tears of joy. It would be too expensive to go to the theater again but I will buy it on blu ray and rewatch it several times like I did with batman begins and the dark knight.
Thunder Monkey
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When humans do the middle finger thing that means peace and love right?
I middle finger at you Angry!
I middle finger at you Angry!
Thunder Monkey
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Ronito just pmed me that it's called flipping off or "the bird".
Why would you call it something so foul?
Why would you call it something so foul?
The Avengers is what Michael Bay tries to do, and fails. It's an excellent popcorn movie.
The term "popcorn movie" gets thrown around all the time, and lately it tends to mean a lack of quality. That's Emmerich and Bay's fault, and I think that's sad.
Raiders of the Lost Ark was a popcorn movie. It's the gold standard for popcorn movies. The Avengers is closer to Raiders than it is to Bay's garbage.
The term "popcorn movie" gets thrown around all the time, and lately it tends to mean a lack of quality. That's Emmerich and Bay's fault, and I think that's sad.
Raiders of the Lost Ark was a popcorn movie. It's the gold standard for popcorn movies. The Avengers is closer to Raiders than it is to Bay's garbage.
Great at least you won't shit up threads
Angry Fork
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ok I'll leave the movie alone you guys can have your fun but I still thought Avengers was meh -_- I liked Captain America and even John Carter more than it...
Fair point I would agree with this. I just prefer these comic book movies to have legit stories/character arc's it makes them much more satisfying to me.
ok I'll leave the movie alone you guys can have your fun but I still thought Avengers was meh -_- I liked Captain America and even John Carter more than it...
Fair point I would agree with this. I just prefer these comic book movies to have legit stories/character arc's it makes them much more satisfying to me.
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