Mihael Mello Keehl
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You think ryu and sakura are clones too huh?
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Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff."
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I'm not really sure this is the topic to debate much of anything
Not sure if played SSB?
Coolbgdog12
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I'm shocked nobody has brought up the game Super Clone brothers Brawl. Game had clones galore. If you strip away the clones the game really has about 10 characters in it.
Just go boot up the game in Dolphin and you'll see there was no point in unlocking characters in that game. Game was a clone of itself and this guy dares to call PASBR a clone?? How silly!! Mario UP+B did the same as luigi's up+B and Ryu and Ken's shryuken. Even the name is a clone ShRYUKEN and that's where Nintendo's Reggie Fils Aim got his idea to make this distasteful game. Such a wry humor that man has.
Just go boot up the game in Dolphin and you'll see there was no point in unlocking characters in that game. Game was a clone of itself and this guy dares to call PASBR a clone?? How silly!! Mario UP+B did the same as luigi's up+B and Ryu and Ken's shryuken. Even the name is a clone ShRYUKEN and that's where Nintendo's Reggie Fils Aim got his idea to make this distasteful game. Such a wry humor that man has.
I'm mad though.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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now this thread's back on track
Drugula's Wrath XXX
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Yeah, my post was obviously due to my butt hurting
Nah I was just responding to his post, nothing more and nothing less.
Kacho
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So good.
nordique
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The big thing here is that the idea is a "mascot beat em up" from a first party company's respective IPs or historically associated IPs
In that sense, it is pretty blatant where the inspiration came from (Smash Bros) and to suggest otherwise is fully and wholly disingenuous on any person's part. Its ridiculous seeing some of the round-about defensiveness that is coming from it...it was clearly inspired by Smash Bros' precedent. In that sense, Kamiya is correct.
That said, from what I understand, the game plays & feels differently from Smash Bros in the sense it is not a "cut and paste" job but truly a different take on it, the mechanics, and "feeling"... similar to how Street Fighter and Tekken are both 1 on 1 fighters but have different mechanics, or even Tekken and Dead or Alive.
There is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with a Sony studio making a game like this. It might not have the star power of Mario behind it, but some gamers (such as myself) will always be interested in selecting Kratos and beating up Parapa the Rappa in a more arcade style fighting game.
The issue on one side is that (some of the) more Sony rooted fans are refusing to acknowledge where the obvious inspiration originated from (Smash Bros) and the issue on the other side is (some of the) more Nintendo rooted fans cannot seem to understand the game might play entirely differently the way Dead or Alive and Tekken are different. More fighters like this is never a bad idea. This is the video game industry, and ideas are "taken" all the time. Or are we going to start blasting Nintendo for copying Sony's "clicky" sticks?
I plan on getting this for Vita
In that sense, it is pretty blatant where the inspiration came from (Smash Bros) and to suggest otherwise is fully and wholly disingenuous on any person's part. Its ridiculous seeing some of the round-about defensiveness that is coming from it...it was clearly inspired by Smash Bros' precedent. In that sense, Kamiya is correct.
That said, from what I understand, the game plays & feels differently from Smash Bros in the sense it is not a "cut and paste" job but truly a different take on it, the mechanics, and "feeling"... similar to how Street Fighter and Tekken are both 1 on 1 fighters but have different mechanics, or even Tekken and Dead or Alive.
There is nothing wrong with that, and nothing wrong with a Sony studio making a game like this. It might not have the star power of Mario behind it, but some gamers (such as myself) will always be interested in selecting Kratos and beating up Parapa the Rappa in a more arcade style fighting game.
The issue on one side is that (some of the) more Sony rooted fans are refusing to acknowledge where the obvious inspiration originated from (Smash Bros) and the issue on the other side is (some of the) more Nintendo rooted fans cannot seem to understand the game might play entirely differently the way Dead or Alive and Tekken are different. More fighters like this is never a bad idea. This is the video game industry, and ideas are "taken" all the time. Or are we going to start blasting Nintendo for copying Sony's "clicky" sticks?
I plan on getting this for Vita
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I legitly dont understand what hes talking about..its just..nothing.
TDLink
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No, they actually have fairly different normals. Ryu and Ken on the other hand are pretty close to the same thing just with varying speeds and power on their moves, for the most part. For anyone serious about the game that makes them very far from the same but for a casual player it is easy to see how they could be classified as too similar. But no, Ryu and Sakura specifically are very different.
Not on a pro level but I play Brawl all the time casually with friends and have for years (and melee before that). I actually do like Luigi a lot and he is one of my favourites to play. Due to that I do notice the difference between him and Mario but I can't really blame people who don't.
In short no I don't think they are clones but I can see how people do think that and thus have no problem depicting that side of the argument/playing devil's advocate.
This thread reminds me I really need to play Bayonetta! As as PS All Stars goes, it looks like a fun game. Who doesn't like to sit around with friends, family, or whatever and beat the ever loving shit out of each other? It's just cool that you can now use Sony characters to do so!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yea but calling luigi a clone of mario is like calling sakura a clone of ryu. Moves look similar but are played different. Some moves are entirely different, luigi does not have Fludd. That alone makes them entirely different and how to play an opponent. Even ryu and ken are different. I know people who play street fighter who are pretty boss with ryu and can do many combos, yet when they choose ken their whole play style changes.
blitzcloud
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Arent clones the definition of pretty much the same base with different values so they play "kinda" different? just like Marth & Roy on Melee?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Yea thats right. But calling Luigi a clone of mario in brawl vs melee is entirely different imo.
blitzcloud
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Well, you have to agree that considering it's a second installment of Melee in a way, it's easier for them to tune him up. But Mario and Luigi were pretty cloney in melee (if memory doesnt fail me).
TheBioLover
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Everyone is going to fall for Coolbgdog12's post.
Another 1000 pages, here we come!
Another 1000 pages, here we come!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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In melee yes.
Luigi is a special clone and special clones are called "Luigified clones".
Boss Man
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I honestly don't think a single person has this problem.
it's a good song.
NoirVisage
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...ring outs are now silly? And you do know tripping is only from the recent game? Man that post just needs the "FGC (tm)" post.
Also, lolwut at that second paragraph. Kamiya ain't playing favorites.
And I still don't get the Fighters Megamix = Smash. It's a traditional fighting game, it's not "Smash with two less players". It's more of King of Fighters than Smash
its a mascot fighter exclusive to a console "use your own brain",
And i like how you're so snugglysituated in Kamiya's jeans to tell whether or not he has a hardon for Nintendo ..
He is absolutely correct, Sony ripped off Nintendo, nothing new though since Sony always does that on a technical level now they do it on a software level as well with Sony Smash Bros.
Oh and i would love P-100 characters in The news Smash bros, P-100 alone has more memorable characters then any Sony character and it is a new IP.
Oh and i would love P-100 characters in The news Smash bros, P-100 alone has more memorable characters then any Sony character and it is a new IP.
Thread delivers
TheBioLover
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I thought this thread had run its course.......I was wrong.
You can tell that everyone is busting out their secret junior member troll account just for this thread.
Clairvoyance
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At least they're doing a better job than NoirVisage.
Boss Man
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This is like a slightly more dedicated version of Fabrik. Is that you Fabrik?
I think NoirVisage is serious, sadly. Disqualified from the troll Olympics.
No matter how controversial the post is, he got a point there.
I..errr...is this post talking about a modded version of SSBB that has Ryu and Ken in it? wtf?
I like every game Reggie has made so far, brilliant! he's been making games for Nintendo before joining Nintendo "Brilliant"!
Can you edit your quote tag? I didn't type that
NoirVisage
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I don't troll, i'm calling it like i see it, twitter is the debill, and junk like the tweet that pit Sony fans, and Nintendo fans against each other not because the game is a rip off of the concept of SSB (it is) but the ludicrous notion that its immoral.
In Melee, Luigi and Mario were pretty similar. Now, they have two of the same specials and that's it. They similar moves for neutral + B and up + B, but that's it. Their other B moves are completely different, and I don't think they even have any of the same A moves.
hmm their side A, netural air, U air, throws, up smash and....to an extent their down smash are more or less the same....tho most of luigis attacks are stronger
Before smash on the n64, I didn't know many of Nintendo's franchises beyond Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong and Pokemon. It introduced me to Metroid, F-Zero, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, and Kirby. These are games I would never search about or try or show any interest in without smash.
As a Playstation owner, I am looking forward to All-Stars having a similar effect for me, as my PS1 and PS2 were used mostly for third party games. I want to know what exists beyond Nathan Drake and Kratos.
A game being a rip-off isn't a bad thing. Hell, from what I can tell it improves on smash buy having 3 levels of super and different modes. I'm looking forward to it.
As a Playstation owner, I am looking forward to All-Stars having a similar effect for me, as my PS1 and PS2 were used mostly for third party games. I want to know what exists beyond Nathan Drake and Kratos.
A game being a rip-off isn't a bad thing. Hell, from what I can tell it improves on smash buy having 3 levels of super and different modes. I'm looking forward to it.
Napalm_Frank
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I hope Sakurai rips off working online from PSASBR.
Phife Dawg
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Comedy gold right there.
It's obvious that he's just going by the Wikipedia article.
Not really. He has a point.
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