I've said it before, but Hypertrooper looks high as fuck in that pic. lol
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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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I've said it before, but Hypertrooper looks high as fuck in that pic. lol
I dunno, after 5pm est probs.
Maybe because he was?
He was in the bathroom and we were all like, "Hurry up Lars, we don't want to be late"
Bathroom door opens with Lars walking out of a cloud of smoke. Absolutely stunk! Then Lars grabbed some Doritos and Mountain Dew and we were off.
ncsuDuncan
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Just in case everyone didn't catch it on the HBO news feed, DeeJ had a really good burn on our pal Wu in the Bungie Blog today:
source: Happy 10th Anniversary, Xbox LIVE!
source: Happy 10th Anniversary, Xbox LIVE!
:lol :lol
If you don't have a boltshot as your secondary outside of BTB you're doing it wrong. Thing is like a power weapon you can spawn with.
Bregmann Roche
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"German Candy Bars". Yeah, right.
I use it in all of my loadouts, but I was just commenting on its sound... Which is incredibly weak.
Money didn't clear in time, so no PAX East for me before tickets sold out. At this point if I'm going East this year it's either for a (hopeful) HBO lan or Wrestlemania.
I don't play close enough to ever be effective with it (or get killed by it). Magnum all day, Plasma Pistol for BTB.
I wish the Magnum had two more bullets in the magazine, by the way.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I don't mind the six shots so long as I can place a grenade before I shoot. It's fantastic for countering automatics and sprint melees at close range as is. I just want a tiny bit more ammo. It's my second favorite iteration of the weapon after the pre-TU Halo 2 Magnum. Reach's is a close third.
FRAAGILLEE EEAAGGGLEEE!
Steelyuhas
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Super old discussion, but didn't want to read the last 8-9 pages: NextBox in 2013, Halo 5 in 2014. It will be what the Gears of War release time frame was for the 360 for the NextBox. I would be absolutely shocked if this isn't the case.
Of course. UI lags horribly. It's easily the worst thing about Halo 4 for me.
Where are people getting Nextbox in 2013 from? Last I heard in an interview with a MS rep was that they were trying to make the 360 last until 2015 at least. Granted it was a while ago now.
Would love to find some people to play with. I'm halfway decent, KD is usually positive, down to do Legendary campaign (need the various cheevos as well if anyone is working on them) Spartan Tops, and definitely anything MP, sick of not being able to play objective games because nobody works together.
GT: PetriesLastWord
GT: PetriesLastWord
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Phew, thought I was in the rare minority..
Really makes me think of something:
XBC evolved into Matchmaking. Matchmaking evolved into ...? I'm still waiting for a Custom Game/MM hybrid with ideas that'll bring online gaming to a new standard.
I have ideas on improving that.
Of course, I'm keeping it for my own game, I ain't giving it to Microsoft for free :V
It's pretty much happening at this point.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Funny how in that video they talk about the red-X's an teammates and knowing to avoid that area or clean up kills
Nice to see Frankie talk about playing Halo 2 testing every night for a year!
Also the closing statement...you almost score, get sniped, throw controller down, love it, hate it but you gotta play it again!
So very Halo for me.
If it can't be fixed right away the least they could do is take it out of rotation.
Garrett 2U
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"You die right before you score. You hate it, but you love it, and you gotta play it again."
If only playing video games was still that simple.
That one leaked .pdf from about 6 months ago or so. Early in the generation, they were wanting it to last until 2015, but around when Project Natal was announced, Microsoft changed their schedule internally. Then the .pdf outlined what the next 8 yeas or so should be.
K
kittens
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Damn Dax, I wouldn't have been so blunt if I knew what you were going through, haha. Your dear/pumpkin quips don't bother me that much -- they just come off as condescending to me. But I understand that that wasn't what you were going for.
Sorry to hear about your problems. It's good that you're seeking help, professionally, on GAF, or anywhere. I actually started therapy for the first time ever a few months ago. Feels good.
Sorry to hear about your problems. It's good that you're seeking help, professionally, on GAF, or anywhere. I actually started therapy for the first time ever a few months ago. Feels good.
Summary Man
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I just realized that Ghosts don't have that secondary explosion anymore. When did they get rid of this? Halo 3?
I always loved the whining sound it made right before it exploded, along with the way it jumped and tumbled around.
When did they get rid of this? Halo 3?I always loved the whining sound it made right before it exploded, along with the way it jumped and tumbled around.
Bregmann Roche
Member
Microsoft can support and make money off the 360 until 2015 while also supporting and making money off of a new system. See also: Playstation 2 and PS3.
User 73706
Banned
I just realized that Ghosts don't have that secondary explosion anymore.
I always loved the whining sound it made right before it exploded, along with the way it jumped and tumbled around.
They might still have it. Reach had it present, it just didn't make the ghost spazz out as far and heavy enough damage could outright kill it, which made it rare.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
I so miss the fuel tank on the ghost from Halo 2, one shot kill. It was too good.
Man. I miss one flag. And those red X's.
Great nostalgia fest. It's easy to forget how much Halo 2 changed playing online. It was the first game I played online for any duration (a couple lousy Dreamcast games didn't really cut it).
It's so strange that with all the UI clutter Halo 4 added, how little utility most of it is. And then things like that get cut.
Steelyuhas
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Literally countless sources and/or rumors including leaked presentation slides from an internal MS presentation. It's a done deal.
My salty tears... my salty tears.
HAHAHAHAHA My YouTube went janky for a second and it paused on Louis Wu grabbing a slice of pizza. Totally thought you were going for an old person joke.
I'll add you if you want to play CTF and stuff. Look for Bislane on XBL in like 20 minutes or so. I'll play some mp with you whenever man, I'm in the same boat.
Look at the explanation for the red X! It makes so much sense!
The man is amazing. Halo 4's UI is a shadow of his work. I was actually just thinking of him, as I sit here in the Spartan Ops lobby wondering where the lobby is.
Der Flatulator
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SWAT needs to be 5v5
There are some real amateur-hour mistakes that shipped with many of the forge pieces.
Aside from the old poorly matched non-grid-standard size differences as there where in Reach with a lot of pieces, there are misplaced/mis-aligned pivot points , which are sometimes aligned/placed at a completely illogical point (not even the usual point, at the centroid, as it was in Reach and 3, which I maintain was a bad choice for modular assets) and magnets (that are placed on edge centers, again instead of the potentially more logical corner for ideal modular piece alignment).
There are also improperly unwrapped/sized lightmap UVs, some even appear to have overlapping UVs, so if one small part of your object is in shadow, a whole 'nother portion of the piece will have the same lighting, even if it is supposed to be lit the polar opposite way. This would explain why some pieces change lighting drastically when you come near them (Because they are Lerp'ing from the low-res/improperly-unwrapped baked shadow to real-time shadows). Some good examples of this are the entire set of Ravine unique forge pieces, especially the side bases. If this is the case, and it seams to be, it can in some ways be worked around, but I have yet to find the perfect solution.
The instant radiosity they have is also kind of disappointing in terms of completely enclosed interior maps without windows; as it only does one pass.
Any more passes would be prohibitively expensive and time-consuming. Although, it seems like they could have easily adjust a value or two under the hood and have it spend a little longer generating the lighting and in the process render out more shadow maps, which would contribute more samples making their radiosity far smoother.
They have the lightmap resolution for it in most places, and it would just take a bit more time to get the higher quality result. (e.g. 2x longer light generation time = 2x smoother gradients for indirect lighting and so on, linearly, if I’m not mistaken)
Their single pass radiosity only subtracts lighting, and their method has a very short reach. It does not add any ambient light through diffuse interreflectance, or recursivly bounced light, so this is where you get the effect where there is no ambient lighting to give you depth cues and the walls and the floors are indistinguishable similar to that example that I posted screenshots of, back when they showed off that forge map on impact.
So, moving on to…
…Some tips for forgers:
If you have an interior or enclosed map, add some transparent windows, holes in the ceilings/walls, or open-topped high ceilings.
Most importantly, do this even if this doesn't shine any direct/bright sunlight onto your playable sections, since this will still contribute (in a potentially splotchy, low-res and ugly way if done carelessly) to the map's indirect lighting and add some depth and directionality cues.
This should help mitigate the inevitable eye-cancer that we will all develop when forge maps start to make their way into MM as they did in Reach.
It may help to actually block just the direct sunlight hitting parts of your map by using far-off floating coliseum wall pieces. Because the ambient lighting works subtractively,
if your map has good visibility of the sky/surroundings and some complex geometry, this will allow you to play with indirect lighting which can contribute a lot of interesting color.
I can post examples after I play around with it some more, so far I am still brainstorming ideas.
In addition, the color of your indirect lighting somewhat obviously is controlled by the immediate/directly-visible surroundings. So if your pieces are directly over the oceans on Ravine, the under-sides will receive the blueish green indirect light, and if their over the forerunner parts they will receive grey blue indirect lights and so on and so forth. Definitely put some time into deciding on the location of your map, don't just put it all over the ocean way outside of the bounds of ravine like most people do when they start, but experiment with putting half of it over the grassy sections and half over the ocean for the best possible indirect lighting color-range. Remember that to get indirect light your piece needs to be shadowed from the sun, but also at least partially exposed to the sky or other bright surroundings, so don't go making completely enclosed, underground flood type maps that end up with completely flat, grey-brown ambient lighting like I keep seeing on YouTube.
Aside from the old poorly matched non-grid-standard size differences as there where in Reach with a lot of pieces, there are misplaced/mis-aligned pivot points , which are sometimes aligned/placed at a completely illogical point (not even the usual point, at the centroid, as it was in Reach and 3, which I maintain was a bad choice for modular assets) and magnets (that are placed on edge centers, again instead of the potentially more logical corner for ideal modular piece alignment).
There are also improperly unwrapped/sized lightmap UVs, some even appear to have overlapping UVs, so if one small part of your object is in shadow, a whole 'nother portion of the piece will have the same lighting, even if it is supposed to be lit the polar opposite way. This would explain why some pieces change lighting drastically when you come near them (Because they are Lerp'ing from the low-res/improperly-unwrapped baked shadow to real-time shadows). Some good examples of this are the entire set of Ravine unique forge pieces, especially the side bases. If this is the case, and it seams to be, it can in some ways be worked around, but I have yet to find the perfect solution.
The instant radiosity they have is also kind of disappointing in terms of completely enclosed interior maps without windows; as it only does one pass.
Any more passes would be prohibitively expensive and time-consuming. Although, it seems like they could have easily adjust a value or two under the hood and have it spend a little longer generating the lighting and in the process render out more shadow maps, which would contribute more samples making their radiosity far smoother.
They have the lightmap resolution for it in most places, and it would just take a bit more time to get the higher quality result. (e.g. 2x longer light generation time = 2x smoother gradients for indirect lighting and so on, linearly, if I’m not mistaken)
Their single pass radiosity only subtracts lighting, and their method has a very short reach. It does not add any ambient light through diffuse interreflectance, or recursivly bounced light, so this is where you get the effect where there is no ambient lighting to give you depth cues and the walls and the floors are indistinguishable similar to that example that I posted screenshots of, back when they showed off that forge map on impact.
So, moving on to…
…Some tips for forgers:
If you have an interior or enclosed map, add some transparent windows, holes in the ceilings/walls, or open-topped high ceilings.
Most importantly, do this even if this doesn't shine any direct/bright sunlight onto your playable sections, since this will still contribute (in a potentially splotchy, low-res and ugly way if done carelessly) to the map's indirect lighting and add some depth and directionality cues.
This should help mitigate the inevitable eye-cancer that we will all develop when forge maps start to make their way into MM as they did in Reach.
It may help to actually block just the direct sunlight hitting parts of your map by using far-off floating coliseum wall pieces. Because the ambient lighting works subtractively,
if your map has good visibility of the sky/surroundings and some complex geometry, this will allow you to play with indirect lighting which can contribute a lot of interesting color.
I can post examples after I play around with it some more, so far I am still brainstorming ideas.
In addition, the color of your indirect lighting somewhat obviously is controlled by the immediate/directly-visible surroundings. So if your pieces are directly over the oceans on Ravine, the under-sides will receive the blueish green indirect light, and if their over the forerunner parts they will receive grey blue indirect lights and so on and so forth. Definitely put some time into deciding on the location of your map, don't just put it all over the ocean way outside of the bounds of ravine like most people do when they start, but experiment with putting half of it over the grassy sections and half over the ocean for the best possible indirect lighting color-range. Remember that to get indirect light your piece needs to be shadowed from the sun, but also at least partially exposed to the sky or other bright surroundings, so don't go making completely enclosed, underground flood type maps that end up with completely flat, grey-brown ambient lighting like I keep seeing on YouTube.
This Halo is actually really good, and it could be as good as Halo 2, it's like fine tuning an engine... Which I know nothing about so I can't go into that analogy.
They just need to listen to the right people in the community and implement some minor tweaks.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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