Pop
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I'm just calling him out but I guess it's a ok to be that way if you been around here awhile.
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Halo |OT12| Last One Out, Get the Lights
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I'm just calling him out but I guess it's a ok to be that way if you been around here awhile.
How do devs not understand this?
No one wants to play 2 flag CTF on asymmetrical maps. No one. Ever.
edit - Not sure if anyone posted this eariler. From Major Nelson's blog. http://majornelson.com/2012/11/29/h...mes-battlefields-and-new-game-type-on-dec-10/
No one wants to play 2 flag CTF on asymmetrical maps. No one. Ever.
edit - Not sure if anyone posted this eariler. From Major Nelson's blog. http://majornelson.com/2012/11/29/h...mes-battlefields-and-new-game-type-on-dec-10/
Poker Face
Member
not to beat a dead horse, but these DLC maps have me so disappointed ughhh. 
At this point there's so many problems that need to be patched that I rather have those fixed instead of spectator mode.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
With such slick art styles, why are these maps so dull to look at?? Why is everything so dark and bland?
343 could easilyyyyyyy make more maps like this
but instead they choose this??
... and this??
So much love. So much frustration. Why, Halo, why? ;'[
v Hydra, couldn't agree more. In a game that's faster paced all around, getting stuck on invisible geometry or TINY LITTLE SHIT just to make the map look better is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo infuriating! That Anniversary map pack should've been saved for this game, not Reach. At least the Kryptonite on Shatter looks cool :]
Hydranockz
Member
As great as strewn about rocks are for aesthetics, I absolutely despise them in maps. Some of them are great mind you. I think back to the good ole days of Asylum where the jump up rocks made sense. However, there needs to be symmetry!!!
I hate Exile so much. There is too much there. There is that metal structure with a tarp on it between A and B that I just avoid at all costs every damn game. Why? Because it has bits jutting out all over the place. Gaps between the tarp and metal or just random bars of metal sprouting up. It just bothers me a lot to not have a clean line of sight from what could be very simple structures.
I think Longbow is a fantastic map but there seems to be a common trend I see popping up. That's rock cover. Meltdown. I just. Meltdown. You know those side rock cliffs on Longbow between the main bases and the background ones? I hate those. Meltdown is a map made entirely of those. They are not fun to hide behind and they are not fun to shoot in at.
How rocks differ from barriers of old and just simple flat textures? Affordances. I have a really good idea, almost instinctively, as to where I could throw a grenade to bank it off of a wall to hit the enemy on maps like the Pit and even Haven. This is because a flat surface (such as man made walls or forerunner structures) look flat. They just let me know if I throw the grenade where I think it'll go nicely, things will be cool.
Rocks? Not so much. They might be flat, but they certainly can't assuredly be flat. Sanctuary vs Asylum I guess? I mean, I think of trying to throw a nade from jump up to ring 2 on Reach and I cry a little bit. So much harder to judge and execute. Needlessly imo.
I don't hate Vic. I love the rocks. But rocks don't make for fun things to fight around in just about every Halo map ever...
I hate Exile so much. There is too much there. There is that metal structure with a tarp on it between A and B that I just avoid at all costs every damn game. Why? Because it has bits jutting out all over the place. Gaps between the tarp and metal or just random bars of metal sprouting up. It just bothers me a lot to not have a clean line of sight from what could be very simple structures.
I think Longbow is a fantastic map but there seems to be a common trend I see popping up. That's rock cover. Meltdown. I just. Meltdown. You know those side rock cliffs on Longbow between the main bases and the background ones? I hate those. Meltdown is a map made entirely of those. They are not fun to hide behind and they are not fun to shoot in at.
How rocks differ from barriers of old and just simple flat textures? Affordances. I have a really good idea, almost instinctively, as to where I could throw a grenade to bank it off of a wall to hit the enemy on maps like the Pit and even Haven. This is because a flat surface (such as man made walls or forerunner structures) look flat. They just let me know if I throw the grenade where I think it'll go nicely, things will be cool.
Rocks? Not so much. They might be flat, but they certainly can't assuredly be flat. Sanctuary vs Asylum I guess? I mean, I think of trying to throw a nade from jump up to ring 2 on Reach and I cry a little bit. So much harder to judge and execute. Needlessly imo.
I don't hate Vic. I love the rocks. But rocks don't make for fun things to fight around in just about every Halo map ever...
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
thezerofire
Banned
I want maps that look like Mirror's Edge's Time Trial DLC. Clean, aesthetically striking, and low on resources. You don't need high res textures to have great looking maps
Bregmann Roche
Member
If nothing else, this map pack proves that high res textures do not mean a great looking map.
I hope thats what Skyline is like.
The Majestic Map pack is infantry focused. So theres a glimmer of hope come February.
I think there's a good reason why Ragnarok, Exile, and Haven are by far the most popular maps. Very clean. Very vibrant.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Probably because they don't really play the game, you have like all these 343 "MS" shoe ins with these "positions" to fill, being like oh this is how to do a game. Its like when your parents try to text "texting lingo"
You cant just get an environmental artist, the environmental artist also needs to be a gamer. Without it you are going to get this map that can look great at times, but its all just soullesss.
You can hire a team of sustain playlist people but if they don't get what the players really want they will never put out quality material.
They do what they do to just get a good magazine review and have good relations with IGN and Co's. They no longer cater to us.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, Halo fans have enjoyed a wide variety of map aesthetics in the past. I mean, there's been some formulas that have been done into the ground, and some designs have gotten tired, but there's also been a lot of diversity. Even Reach did a better job: Powerhouse, Countdown, Reflection, Zealot, Sword Base, Boardwalk, Spire, and Boneyard. The BTB offerings were pretty bad aesthetically, but the small maps each had unique designs that were at least good, and in same cases really good. And then there's Halo 2 and 3, which blow the rest of the games in the series out of the water.
The maps in Halo 4 definitely feel like a downgrade. Too many rocks and UNSC labs. Haven looks great, though, and Adrift and Abandon are unique looking, at least.
The maps in Halo 4 definitely feel like a downgrade. Too many rocks and UNSC labs. Haven looks great, though, and Adrift and Abandon are unique looking, at least.
Visually yes but man they still beat the shit out of the Reach maps when it comes to gameplay and map flow.
Well except maybe Abandon and Complex....
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Yup. We need some more unique looking locales badly. Also, please ditch the white UNSC lab theme.
Fixed.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
What's a "theater?" Is that some kind of new feature in halo 5?
I would also love Gemini back.
Haven't posted in awhile because the junior wave was bothering me and Halo 4 has left me wanting more. Have you guys been playing customs at all, because the current playlists kind of suck. I haven't had a chance to play the competitive settings but they look great so I want to give those a try.
Add me: liltydude
Add me: liltydude
Bregmann Roche
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I'm sure the response will be "Midship sized maps won't work with sprint", but how much faster do sprinting players move in Halo 4 than regular movement speed players in Halo 2? Sprint feels faster, but in the same way that the roadie run from Gears feels faster.
Edit: the point I'm trying to make is that instant respawn would do more harm to a Midship-style map in Halo 4 than sprint would.
They can start with the skyboxes. The melancholic context of Reach which demanded ugly haze and cloudy skies at all times is gone now, but Exile and Haven are the only maps which don't default to that. It's why even though Ravine sucks as a forge map I still want to play on it's variants more than half the disc maps because of the pleasing, golden lighting and skybox.
So you were bothering...yourself?
So you were bothering...yourself?
Agreed, it took me more than a couple seconds looking at the screenshot to realize I was looking at a new map and not Complex...
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
It's an illusion.
Have my babies.
For as much shit as we gave maps like Isolation at it's time, I appreciate the diversity of it. Some of those maps in Halo 2/3/Reach would've played great in Halo 1/4.
Tombstone in Halo 2? Shitty map because of inconsistent off-host BR, much like many other maps.
Controversial
Boneyard in Reach? Plays shitty. The end.
How many years must I put up with these kind of things? I mean, we have a great Halo game at its core, but we have to now deal with other areas of the game that are disappointing and frustrating (instant respawn in a game that takes 7-8 secs to full recharge your shield). Time to go stuff my face with something delicious.. I can just keep complaining about this game/franchise that I love but what good does that do?
thezerofire
Banned
I mean look at this:
How hard would it be to just throw a few colored blocks together to make a map? Make the sides different colors, have some highlighted colors for navigating help, tada, good serviceable map.
I'd even take a Forge with a bunch of colored blocks over what we have now
How hard would it be to just throw a few colored blocks together to make a map? Make the sides different colors, have some highlighted colors for navigating help, tada, good serviceable map.
I'd even take a Forge with a bunch of colored blocks over what we have now
Depends on what you want to play. I'd rather play CTF on Zealot (something something flag away spawn zone) than any Halo 4 map at this point. Haven is the one exception that I think really stands out in the game. The rest range from pretty good to god-awful, though the lows aren't as low as the worst of Reach. Part of it is that I'm really not digging the gametypes they've put into the game, part of it is just that the maps have issues of flow without static weapons to direct players, and part of it is that some of the maps just stink.
...well, Abandon/Complex CTF might be as low as Reach's lows. Yeah.
Devin Olsen
Member
Well the DLC looks like complete shit, good to see 343i has taken zero interest in community feedback.
Community: "we want smaller maps please"
343i: "THREE LARGE VEHICLE MAPS, COMING UP!"
I'm pretty confident that I am going to avoid purchasing this map pack. I hope a lot of you guys do the same and show 343i that we cannot just be fed more bullshit maps.
You cripple forge and file sharing, and the give us the fewest maps in a Halo game to date. Then your first round of DLC is this? Really..
Community: "we want smaller maps please"
343i: "THREE LARGE VEHICLE MAPS, COMING UP!"
I'm pretty confident that I am going to avoid purchasing this map pack. I hope a lot of you guys do the same and show 343i that we cannot just be fed more bullshit maps.
You cripple forge and file sharing, and the give us the fewest maps in a Halo game to date. Then your first round of DLC is this? Really..
xxjuicesxx
Member
You should totally make maps bro that sounds like its off to a good start.
I mean look at this:
How hard would it be to just throw a few colored blocks together to make a map? Make the sides different colors, have some highlighted colors for navigating help, tada, good serviceable map.
I'd even take a Forge with a bunch of colored blocks over what we have now
I would fucking die to play Halo maps like that.
Never gonna get anything that small. Haven is probably as small as it gets. Wouldn't mind something like a Pit remake. Or a spiritual succesor. Something along those lines is the perfect size for small H4 map.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Holy shit. Just got the nemesis perk. Why anyone would ever use this shit i have no idea. Terrible.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
The BTB maps are leagues better than Reach's offerings, but the only small map I can truly say I enjoy playing on is Haven. Abandon is okay. In Reach I liked Countdown, Powerhouse, Zealot, and Asylum. I'd say most of the small maps in Halo 4 are on the level of Boardwalk -- I can enjoy them, but I find them mediocre.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
DAMMIT WHERE'S MIRROR'S EDGE 2.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
To be fair, the scale of these maps has probable been set since the summer.. but yeah, they should have realized the game needed more small to medium symmetrical maps, especially when the objective playlists are symmetrical only. I also can't figure out why these look so visually repetitive, and seem very similar in map design.
Lol I think if you just start with, "small map, symmetrical" you'll come out with a better small map than most in the game. But I don't wanna seem like I'm bashing. I'm actually enjoying the maps for the most part. However there are a few maps that are ok-decent that were so close to being really good.
Devin Olsen
Member
Yeah I realize that the maps were probably finished before the game even shipped (DLC you're just the gift that keeps on giving), but as you said they should have at SOME POINT been like "oh fuck me, there are pretty much zero small maps, maybe we should do something about that".
Also the concept art vs reality on these maps is horrible. The concept art at least had some color in it and the maps looks pleasing visually, these just looks washed out and grey.
I just do not get it.
I can ensure you I am not associated with the people causing problems.
I will say this when the 2nd pack comes out, these were probably well underway before the game came out so they didn't really have too much time to listen to feedback and its not like they would just scrap what they currently have done.
Is that the one that lets you see the position of the last guy that killed you?
Remember how we freaked out about that one?
Oh how petty our worries were...
But to be honest, this game is NOT balanced. There are useless perks (grenadier) while things like dexterity are just WAY OP.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
If you're a bad player who wants to abuse instant respawns, I could see how one would love to hunt a player they've already drained the shields of.
And I might be ok with that. Haven is a good size. I would however just like to try a small map in H4. I want to try Midship.
Oh Midship, how I love you.
Someone will probably forge it eventually.
If you replace the word "map" with "girl" it sounds like you are talking about your dating life.
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