Well of course I'm not talking about all of GAF, but it has been pretty common here. I'm not strictly talking about Kinect either. In game microtransactions is another good example of something that's optional but still bothered people.
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Well of course I'm not talking about all of GAF, but it has been pretty common here. I'm not strictly talking about Kinect either. In game microtransactions is another good example of something that's optional but still bothered people.
The only purpose leaks until now seems only an hardware kinect centric, but the strange silence of MS lately seems suggest to me (imho) probably they are trying to revise something in the hardware to please the developers. I don't know, I have this feeling, I can't explain otherwise this silence..
Tripolygon
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This part
and this part
contradict each other. On one hand I assume you claim to be part of the some of Gaf who is level headed, then you proceed to claim Sony's marketshare got demolished and draw a false equivalency between Kinect and PSEye, and Sony not learning anything from PS3.
and this part
contradict each other. On one hand I assume you claim to be part of the some of Gaf who is level headed, then you proceed to claim Sony's marketshare got demolished and draw a false equivalency between Kinect and PSEye, and Sony not learning anything from PS3.
tfur
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Also, the "white poncho" kinect event, where everyone body synced the performance.
Baconsammy
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I'm fine with optional things. It's the mandatory bullshit I hate. Like Sony's mandate that EVERY single one of their online games requires an online pass. Or a game like Sim City not functioning offline. If you can't make a case for why the mandatory thing benefits me at all, then screw you. If Microsoft goes through with the rumored always-online just to play a single player game thing, they can keep their box. I still don't think they're that stupid.
BruceLeeRoy
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I'm expecting Kinect 2.0 to be much more impressive and integrated in the console than the PS Eye though.
Yeah I agree. 33% of the population has access to Internet and only 25% of that is high speed and your going to make a system that is dependent on a online connection? I don't buy it. People are just spinning the rumors out of context at this point it's going to have a online infrastructure to offer all kinds of conveniences but it won't be dependent on them.
Fusion Pizza
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Fuck these consoles.
Is not that stupid, from a different perspective. For a gamer, it's the most terrible thing ever, but for a company means less monetary losses.
As a platform holder, they have to provide experiences for everyone. 1st and foremost should be the OS and services. Labeling them as "media" is probably too narrow.
Out of their 21 1st party studios(as listed on Wikipedia...yes, Wikipedia):
9 are most likely developing core games(343, Turn 10, Rare, Lionhead, Black Tusk, Victoria, Platform Next, Twisted Pixel[LocoCycle], MS Los Angelos[if you want to call cinematic titles core])
Connected Experiences is maybe developing a core title.
7 are most likely developing Kinect/Casual/Family titles(Good Science, Kid and Lifestyle Entertainment, Playful Learning, Soho Productions, Press Play, Big Park, Rare)
Skybox Sports - no idea what they are doing, but probably a sports title, lol
XBox Live Productions - no idea what they are doing
Lift London - Says cloud gaming, so most likely mobile + pc + console game.
Then they have the publishing studios and another mobile studio. They have a lot of things in the fire right now and they need to support all of them. Their core teams still make up the majority of their studios and most likely take up a large majority of the financial assets. Then they have core titles from 3rd parties that they are investing in, one from Crytek that we know about. I think saying that core gamers are 3rd on their list seems a bit disingenuous.
Ah, of course, but what will change for the future of the gamers? Probably more casual shitness to play at the best but I don't see nothing good in the horizon for the 'classic' players.
Baconsammy
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That's not a claim, that's an actual fact. Start with the handheld business. They had a relatively small chunk of the marketshare 5 years ago. That's now almost completely gone. Not eaten up by Nintendo (they lost more marketshare than Sony), but by Apple/Google/Amazon. Then the console biz. Who owned the US market 8 years ago by a huge margin? Sony. How much of that market have they lost in the past 8 years? Tons. How is that even a debate. This gen decimated their gaming business. Not beyond repair, but beyond recognition. And I said if they split their market day 1 then they've learned nothing from the previous gen. Don't split your market day 1. Microsoft did the same thing with hard drives and spent the entire generation constantly tweaking their system to include people that bought the so-called "tard packs". I hope multiple SKUs for both Sony and Microsoft this gen just come down to a pack-in game or size of the HD. Make everything standard that you possibly can, and keep every consumer on a semi-equal playing field, which will allow devs to target everyone.
It's just apps to watch videos on a TV screen which are available on the web either free or with a subscription (Netflix, etc.). Or basically the same shit people have on their tablets already.
Baconsammy
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It's actually not that anymore. Microsoft opened an entirely new media studio in Southern California. The apps will continue, but they'll be continuing alongside all new exclusive content. What that content will be, no one yet knows, but it's being worked on by Nancy Tellem.
Because I can see the failings of all 3 companies. Quality logic.
Tripolygon
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I'm not arguing against that dude, I'm saying you are not part of the level headed Gaf. My comment is a paraphrase of your retort towards KageMaru's assertion that people on Gaf hang on optional features as if they are evil. A level head retort would not go into detail about marketshare and perceived failed business plan. etc etc etc
Edit: So yea, I'm not debating you. Have a nice one.
I would imagine they are going to get away from developing these media "apps" themselves and let 3rd parties develop them next go around, so it won't be them providing these things, but 3rd parties. At which point MS is just developing a platform for applications to be distributed via the console. At which point MS would have services available for devs to use inside these applications. Most likely hooks into XBox Music, XBox Video, SkyDrive, Skype, Azure, Kinect, etc. Or OS level hooks so that applications can be searched and indexed ala the Search charm in W8. Or the Share charm for sharing videos, images, game data to applications. Or hooks for SmartGlass to tie into. Or hooks to beam things to other devices on the network. Etc. Etc. There are certainly tons of things that MS can offer from an OS level feature set that makes it quite important for them to get right straight out of the gate. Features there from the beginning often make the most difference in the coming generation.
The Tester...
Baconsammy
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1 vs 100.
It's essentially how they've kept the 360 alive these past 2 years.
I find it hilarious that people think MS can't appeal to the hardcore and casuals at the same time. It's like what do people think Mario is? Its a series that every single gamer can play.
Basically I think they're aiming for Nintendo first parties next gen, have a series of IPs that are universal, and yea don't worry the R rated shooters will stil be there.
Basically I think they're aiming for Nintendo first parties next gen, have a series of IPs that are universal, and yea don't worry the R rated shooters will stil be there.
I don't see any TV/video footage in that game. It's just a Trivia MMO basically. Don't need TV/Video equipment for that. It's really no different than timed special events in an MMO.
Sony has, in the past, been excellent at providing a range of games that appeals to a wide range of people.
Baconsammy
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It was a Live studio-based game. But go ahead and try to downplay the Tellem hire. I personally can't wait to see what she and her team are working on. If it rivals what Netflix is doing with their exclusive content, it'll be a nice addition.
They needed an audio studio/equipment since there was a live announcer.
ChosenPredator
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it was nothing like a MMO, i remember hearing the host talk and stuff and it was really amazing something i've personally never experience..I thought it was pretty badass how they connected the xbox community with a live show.
Live MMO. Don't get me wrong it's cool and all, but it's not unique video content like House of Cards for Netflix is.
These apps aren't even developed by MS. They provide companies, such as IGN, Maxim, UFC, etc., an API to create their own app for the 360. I imagine this will continue next gen.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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There is nothing conceptually wrong with Kinect, it's a gaimng device, and its potential has only been scratched. Likewise, the rumored "heavier OS" seems to be the direct result of a portion of processing time being dedicated to NUI functionality at all times, encouraging its exploatation. Those can and will still be used for games, so I don't see how that translates into games not being at the forefront. Not ot mention that we have no idea why some of the (still rumored!) choices have been made, and all we have is speculation which is often colored by speculators' expectations and subjective opinions.
Baconsammy
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It doesn't all need to be House of Cards. It just needs to be unique content that differentiates them from the competition.
Ironically 1 vs 100 supposedly got dropped because advertisers weren't onboard, and now the Xbox UI is covered in advertising.
Forgot about that. If that's the kind of stuff their new studio is going to be doing, I'm on board. It's also the kind of content that they don't need to just push towards a new Xbox. They can sell cheap 360s with it too.
I honestly don't think kinect will have that big of a casual focus right out of the gate for the Next Xbox.
MS just spent MILLIONS of dollars on advertising the Xbox 360 to casuals via kinect. What's the point in spending that much if they were only going to do it again next gen right out of the gate? Doesn't add up.
I think kinect will primarily be used for optional features in Next Gen (traditional controller) games and as a way to control the Next Xbox's UI. The kinect probably won't have a heavy casual focus until about 4 years or so after the Next Xbox is released -- a point in which the system will be even cheaper (more than likely) and have a larger library of games.
Forward Unto Dawn was decent
dragonelite
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Dont get me wrong kinect is awesome tech.
But from what i have seen / experienced have one myself and dived a bit into OpenNI API.
its not really a thing that will add a lot to gaming anytime soon.
Maybe when we can buy that gaming iglo that some tech show made for BF3.
I still believe that.
He is not an insider, he just hacked MS once. His leak was legit, but I doubt he is privy to whatever they have been doing for a good time now.
I don't believe in a significant spec change, but if MS changed it recently or after the Sony unveil SuperDae would not know anything about it.
Alx
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Er, I don't see that in the leaks. The only rumors we have about kinect are slightly upgraded specs, and a dedicated port/controller on the console. Nothing extraordinary (especially since we have the same info for the PS4). Even the fact that kinect could be required for the console to run is a sign that it will be used for generic user interaction. Kinect would be more a standard control option than "a peripheral for casual games".
If anything, the general purpose of the console seems aimed at multi-tasking (amount of RAM with a significant part not accessible by the main game, multi-layer/multi-resolution display, fast swap between applications, ...)
Miles Quaritch
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Miles Quaritch
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If you actually bothered to read the post I was responding to, you'd see it was a post about last years E3.
Time for an avatar change to show your knee jerk response that fell completely flat? I simply can't stop laughing at how badly you just failed with this post. Oh Lord, what a sight. Dat knee jerk response.
Uno Venova
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But which claim were you talking about then, because you responded to kagemaru, who responded to dragonelite talking about the last 2 e3's.
CrunchinJelly
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They want all three. Equally. They ain't dumb.
Miles Quaritch
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Uno Venova
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I know kage was talking about only the last e3, but you said a claim was ridiculous, since you responded to someone talking to dragonelite, i assume that was the claim about the last 2 e3's, i don't see another one talking about only 2012.
Goal
Baconsammy
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Exactly, if their goal is to prove him wrong, then their goal is to die a quick death.
Alx
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They're not really separate crowds anyway... both casual and hardcore gamers are potential consumers for "media capabilities". And I doubt many people would buy a console for those capabilities alone.
Miles Quaritch
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No, if I had wanted to respond to dragon, I would have done. I specifically responded to kage due to his specific reference to last years E3.
Responding to a specific claim from one member, who may be engaged with another member, doesn't automatically mean I'm addressed both members or both of their posts. To reach such a conclusion or to make such a assumption is frankly bizarre.
No avatar change? I'm disappointed.
Heres the summary of what they actually showed in 2011
- Call of Duty: MW 3 demo
- Tomb Raider demo
- EA announcement that they will incorporate Kinect in their Sport line-up
- Mass Effect 3 demo
- Ghost Recon demo
- Dashboard demo (Bing w/ voice) & UFC App promo
- Gears of War 3 demo
- Ryse trailer
- Halo Anniversary Vid doc
- Forza 4 (Autovista demo)
- Minecraft Announcment
- Kinect Disneyland/Star Wars Kinect/Sesame Street Demos
- Kinect Funlabs demo
- Kinect Sports 2 & Dance Central 2 demos
- Halo 4 teaser
MS had just come off that year where they sold more that Sony & Nintendo worldwide for the first time in Hardware.
Kinect was only on the shelf for 7 months and they broke the guiness book of world records
MS did not have a handheld like 3DS or Vita to announce. Nor did they have a Wii-U to show off.
It's simple they promote 1st, 3rd, Kinect, and XBLA games. They also show off what is new on XBOX Live.
The results of that E3?
- All of the first party sold over 2 million
- Kinect sold a record 1 million stand alone in 24 hours on Black Friday
- Four of the Kinect games shown on stage that year sold over a million copies
- The one XBLA game Minecraft is at 6 million sold to date
2012 conference MS didn't have to promote Kinect with the same agression
They simply chose to demo Wreckateer & instead of Harmonix guy and dancers, they used Usher who worked on the game and he performed the song and choreography of Dance Central 3.
Fable: The Journey regressed from a demo in 2011 to a trailer in 2012 (Wasn't a wise decision and even Peter who was now on the GT panel questioned that move)
Fast forward to 2013 and even Sony is using a big time dev of their to promote Move.
MS absolutely needs to promote the hell out of Kinect 2.0 initially if it really is a significant jump from the original.
But, like always it will be a part of the overall package of the console as it should be.
If the rumors of mandatory Kinect for the console to work turn out to mean calibrating Kinect before you start then like the fake hype of Always online it will be a non-factor when debunked at E3.
If MS fumbles the ball after Nintendo left the door wide open, then they only have themselves to blame.
Uno Venova
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I don't see what's bizarre thinking that you might be referencing to the same claim someone else was responding too, if it wasn't dragon, what hilarious claim were you talking about.
Miles Quaritch
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It is very bizarre. There's very little room for misunderstanding. Had I wanted to respond to dragon, I simply would have quoted him along with kage. The fact that I didn't should be a clear enough indication for all that I was specifically responding to the person I quoted.
As for the hilarious claim, that last years E3 was 70% to 80% Kinect.
We obviously have different definitions of decent. You need stars which means $$$$, otherwise your show is just like hundreds of shitty low budget syfy channel shows.