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GAF-Hop |OT7| Either die the GOAT or live long enough to become Nas.

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Esch

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I know lots of people like Jitters irl. Y'all are confused by it because you're too old to spot the rap listener demographic of Pitchfork type reading dudes that see rap albums getting BNM and then check them out because they 'listen to everything'. These cats are about 2 things; thinking something is art, and dickriding anything with a unique aesthetic. It's all about flavor of the week and whatever sounds different. I see what they're coming from because so much new shit nowadays sounds the same or rehashed or clumsily borrowed from other artists/genres, but yeah scust
 

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Jitters

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I know lots of people like Jitters irl. Y'all are confused by it because you're too old to spot the rap listener demographic of Pitchfork type reading dudes that see rap albums getting BNM and then check them out because they 'listen to everything'. These cats are about 2 things; thinking something is art, and dickriding anything with a unique aesthetic. It's all about flavor of the week and whatever sounds different. I see what they're coming from because so much new shit nowadays sounds the same or rehashed or clumsily borrowed from other artists/genres, but yeah scust
I don't feel that way at all. I made fun of Shaking The Habitual for BEING arty.
I would like a new Cities Aviv and Shabazz Palaces tho real talk.

YES! That is the good stuff.
 

iavi

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I can see where Jitters is coming from, somewhat. That new Gibbs hits hard, but it's the same ol stupid shit. I've learned to enjoy it, but put that stupid shit in perspective.

#jaded
 

Esch

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I don't feel that way at all. I made fun of Shaking The Habitual for BEING arty.

But do you tolerate shit that isn't arty? Could you even sit through a Sean Price album? What about a full DMX LP? Any actual gutter southern rap album?

Naw.

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Jitters

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But do you tolerate shit that isn't arty? Could you even sit through a Sean Price album? What about a full DMX LP? Any actual gutter southern rap album?

Naw.

My disliking of them has nothing to do with them not being arty. They are just lame.

Nothing arty about Ghostface or Nas and I love them.

E:Sorry for double post.
 

IrishNinja

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man i aint about to be too old to see some shit i didn't pay no mind to in the day neither tho

i like unique experiences too, but that's a false dichotomy there...its like dudes on gaming side that only fuck with indie shit, wanting to be in on the ground floor. don't get me wrong, i think indie shit very much has it's place & should be a part of any well rounded experience but mocking AAA or seemingly rehashed nintendo shit while celebrating 2D platofmers/shooters out the ass like they're reinventing the wheel makes no sense to me either. we still got at least a few people i spot on the regular talmbout how the top 10 games this year are all on ios...i mean, yeah okay, congrats on being that dude

Now I feel like a dick for recommending Hopsin in that guys thread. Lol.

you should never feel bad for preaching the gospel

I would like a new Cities Aviv and Shabazz Palaces tho real talk.

i also want these things, yes


occum's razor: sometimes, the simplest answers in life are the correct ones


wow talk about misleading labels
 

Esch

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My disliking of them has nothing to do with them not being arty. They are just lame.

Nothing arty about Ghostface or Nas and I love them.

E:Sorry for double post.

Literally what the fuck are you talking about..... Ghostface is a Wu member, one of the most abstract and unique emcees in his use of wordplay ever. His music is very artful and one of the reasons he's always gotten indie/hipster play. Hell, this is the guy making an LP with MF DOOM.

And as for Nas, he might be a gangsta rapper but his music is chock full of pretensions toward being art, be it in having a complex rapping style or spreading a message, concept or knowledge. Hipsters and artsy people fucking love Nas and Ghostface. I thought you used Lastfm?

damn this is killing me rn
 

DominoKid

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man i aint about to be too old to see some shit i didn't pay no mind to in the day neither tho

i like unique experiences too, but that's a false dichotomy there...its like dudes on gaming side that only fuck with indie shit, wanting to be in on the ground floor. don't get me wrong, i think indie shit very much has it's place & should be a part of any well rounded experience but mocking AAA or seemingly rehashed nintendo shit while celebrating 2D platofmers/shooters out the ass like they're reinventing the wheel makes no sense to me either. we still got at least a few people i spot on the regular talmbout how the top 10 games this year are all on ios...i mean, yeah okay, congrats on being that dude



you should never feel bad for preaching the gospel



i also want these things, yes



occum's razor: sometimes, the simplest answers in life are the correct ones

take that ether to gaming-side.
 

Jitters

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man i aint about to be too old to see some shit i didn't pay no mind to in the day neither tho

i like unique experiences too, but that's a false dichotomy there...its like dudes on gaming side that only fuck with indie shit, wanting to be in on the ground floor. don't get me wrong, i think indie shit very much has it's place & should be a part of any well rounded experience but mocking AAA or seemingly rehashed nintendo shit while celebrating 2D platofmers/shooters out the ass like they're reinventing the wheel makes no sense to me either. we still got at least a few people i spot on the regular talmbout how the top 10 games this year are all on ios...i mean, yeah okay, congrats on being that dude
I didn't know there were Indie Video Game elitist. Thought that was just movies and music.
 

iavi

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i like unique experiences too, but that's a false dichotomy there...its like dudes on gaming side that only fuck with indie shit, wanting to be in on the ground floor. don't get me wrong, i think indie shit very much has it's place & should be a part of any well rounded experience but mocking AAA or seemingly rehashed nintendo shit while celebrating 2D platofmers/shooters out the ass like they're reinventing the wheel makes no sense to me either. we still got at least a few people i spot on the regular talmbout how the top 10 games this year are all on ios...i mean, yeah okay, congrats on being that dude

There a lot of that shit, but this is isn't it. It's like, and let me get my p4k on here, I couldn't give something like Trap God III a 10/10. Artistically, that shit just isn't novel enough to move me like that. It may even be a solid 6~7. I don't write it off, but Gucci's not fucking with any boundaries. Shit gets me hype, but he's not raising bars.

Something like Yeezus that melds genres is totally open to that 10, though. I don't think it is that 10, but it does something with the time in the LP that a lot of other hip-hop artists just aren't fucking with.
 

Jitters

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Literally what the fuck are you talking about..... Ghostface is a Wu member, one of the most abstract and unique emcees in his use of wordplay ever. His music is very artful and one of the reasons he's always gotten indie/hipster play. Hell, this is the guy making an LP with MF DOOM.

And as for Nas, he might be a gangsta rapper but his music is chock full of pretensions toward being art, be it in having a complex rapping style or spreading a message, concept or knowledge. Hipsters and artsy people fucking love Nas and Ghostface. I thought you used Lastfm?

damn this is killing me rn

Maybe I am just a hipster then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I just didn't think they were arty in the way we were talking. Like sound wise, I guess.
 
i was feeling exactly like what irishninja was saying for a day. burnt out on aaa stuff.

and so i played to the moon for the evening. and then i was like lol fuck this shit and snapped out of it. and now i am enjoying battlefield 3.

there is room for indie games but not exclusively
 

Esch

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i was feeling exactly like what irishninja was saying for a day. burnt out on aaa stuff.

and so i played to the moon for the evening. and then i was like lol fuck this shit and snapped out of it. and now i am enjoying battlefield 3.

there is room for indie games but not exclusively
It all depends. I love some indie shit, but a lot of Indie stuff is just cheap feeling throwback 2d boring shit (kind of like 99% of bandcamp boom bap borefests).

AAA gaming is truly shit right now though, that's why i'm enjoying smaller projects and stuff from foreign countries more now.
 
It all depends. I love some indie shit, but a lot of Indie stuff is just cheap feeling throwback 2d boring shit (kind of like 99% of bandcamp boom bap borefests).

AAA gaming is truly shit right now though, that's why i'm enjoying smaller projects and stuff from foreign countries more now.

yeah i think the smaller titles are doing really good things with horror and unconventional art design, but i was unfortunate to play a shitty wannabe-retro 2d game like you mentioned.

i heard kentucky route zero is dope, might get that soon.
 

Esch

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the only indies i wanna play right now are Swapper and eventually Hotline Miami 2, i dont really have anything else on my radar yet. Maybe that Planescape sequel but i kinda hate top down clickfests.
 

IrishNinja

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take that ether to gaming-side.

yes. please do

ya'll saw how they did clovingsteam? i'm good

I didn't know there were Indie Video Game elitist. Thought that was just movies and music.

man if more than 2 people do anything ever n the same time period, there's elitism. by like one tenth of GAF OT that knows of our existence, we're it, by the way

There a lot of that shit, but this is isn't it. It's like, and let me get my p4k on here, I couldn't give something like Trap God III a 10/10. Artistically, that shit just isn't novel enough to move me like that. It may even be a solid 6~7. I don't write it off, but Gucci's not fucking with any boundaries. Shit gets me hype, but he's not raising bars.

Something like Yeezus that melds genres is totally open to that 10, though. I don't think it is that 10, but it does something with the time in the LP that a lot of other hip-hop artists just aren't fucking with.

esha's clearly better at these examples, but for years i thought it was obvious Jay brought nothing new to the table...his style was nice and his beats of course were often very high tier, but he ain't sayin nothing new, just with a flow that rode a beat and worked for radio, clubs, hip-hop heads etc.

the fuckin' matrix took gun-fu, eastern philosophy, joeseph cambpell's hero quest, s&m leather and a few other things, amalgamed em together and everyone called it new shit. which is perfectly fine; i think anyone who follows/knows jazz understands taking preexisting things and making them your own. at this point i think the only people who hold onto this platonic idea of the perfect unique thing are pretty much exactly who esha was talking about, the kinda online scenesters and shit. i get what they're after too, but they miss all the shit in between by limiting the fuck out of their search criteria. anyway.

I only play indie games

the doomtree tagline of gaming side

i was feeling exactly like what irishninja was saying for a day. burnt out on aaa stuff.

and so i played to the moon for the evening. and then i was like lol fuck this shit and snapped out of it. and now i am enjoying battlefield 3.

there is room for indie games but not exclusively

man, that game, for $3 or whatever...it was what it was, but you can't take SNES JRPG maker 3.0, find some piano midi's and use the throwaway script from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and expect me to clap and get misty 4 hours later. you wanna hit me in the balls like that, just loop those sarah mclaghlan commercials about abused dogs or some shit.

ps YES hotline miami 2.0 is at the top of that scene for me, Shiniobi is still the man for bringing that shit into my life last christmas
 

IrishNinja

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eschas i know you see my facebook - that's how shit looks today

ps tokus how'd you feel bout ghost dog? i still can't believe that a forest whitaker movie about the hagakure - with a great RZA score - didn't end up being something that i loved
 
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