SwiftDeath
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Pretty sure Bish comes with a shill-o-meter built-in.....
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Xbox Ones Game DVR, SmartMatch, NFL, TV Guide Restricted To Xbox Live Gold Members
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Pretty sure Bish comes with a shill-o-meter built-in.....
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Can't say I'm surprised. I still hate the practice, but at least, with the exception of the NFL related stuff, these are all stuff I intend on using, especially the TV Guide feature.
The real problem here seems to be that if you want to utilize even HALF of what the XB1 does, even a QUARTER, you have to pay a yearly fee to do so.
With PS4, it seems that almost everything it does doesn't require PS+ to do so. I'm not saying it's good that Plus is required for online multiplayer - it's certainly unfortunate - but at least I can still do practically everything the PS4 does for no extra cost if I don't have interest in online multiplayer. That's a good selling point, I think.
With PS4, it seems that almost everything it does doesn't require PS+ to do so. I'm not saying it's good that Plus is required for online multiplayer - it's certainly unfortunate - but at least I can still do practically everything the PS4 does for no extra cost if I don't have interest in online multiplayer. That's a good selling point, I think.
BRocknRolla
Member
Well, MS certainly seems to think there are people who would buy a Xbox purely for media capabilities. Hell, even a more limited use case than that, and it would still require a subscription for Skype. Just write it off as a business expense all you small business owners!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-11-microsoft-pitches-xbox-one-to-small-businesses
General Choomin
Banned
Just the partial drive club game and probably indies. You got to build the library up first. In the mean time they will probably be giving away psvita, psp, ps1, minis, and ps3 games spread out on their other systems.
On another note, the FTP games might have a scheme with Sony which allows them to get past the PS+ pay wall. Could it be possible that Sony get's a percentage of the micro-transactions in those games? Thus acting as a way to monetize the game without PS+? Or is my guess completely wrong?
It's why I've been souring on Microsoft the last few years, and now that I think about it STILL want to see them either get beaten as badly as Sony earlier this generation or even outright forced out as their policies DO spread one way or another, and it's even more frustrating given how for DLC they seemingly have very rigid definitions on minimum costs rather than at least a policy of "uhh whatever just as long as it's not free", see how Sleeping Dogs's first significant DLC was $5 on PSN/Steam... then jumped to $7 the next day thanks to XBL.
At the least I want Microsoft to get a smaller slice of the marketshare (and for Sony to be more generous with DLC policies, which they seem to be) just so that if what they want doesn't mesh with what publishers/developers themselves think is ideal then no, they don't feel they HAVE to release on XB1 afterall.
Don't use this as if it magically nullifies our argument. We won't always want to hold on to that subscription, and we pay for these subscriptions specifically for certain features exclusive to it, just because we'll have it anyway doesn't justify locking services down to it just because despite being offered at no extra cost elsewhere. Hell, I wager most of us who used Netflix on PS3 ALSO did so before we got Plus because we didn't care to have it at the time and didn't like being beholden to a third subscription (Internet + Netflix) out of principle.
Longhorn Fan
Neo Member
Im not going to lie, I downloaded that game to finally get that achievement. It only took six years to get it done.
You can guarantee Sony will get a cut of any microtransactions.
DukeTogo1300
Member
Sure, after you pay $60!
Though the Plus version seems more like a super demo.
I think they mean cable listings and general cable interactions. Which I guess requires at least maintaining listings on their end, but then why not just use the cable box instead? That's $60 a year for Kinect functions and the minor convenience of going through a single output for everything, though to me switching back and forth between game mode would be more of a nuisance.
RedNumberFive
Banned
I just clicked on a few, and you're not kidding...
NullPointer
Member
Don't lie, revel in your awesomeness.
ParenegadeM
Banned
People are complaining that Smart Match requires gold? Lolwut? Seriously?
The Tv thing I can understand but Smart Match?
The Tv thing I can understand but Smart Match?
SwiftDeath
Member
Because more than like 3 posts of the 1000+ so far have been complaints about SmartMatch being behind the paywall
Complaints are about TV guide and DVR being behind paywall
Old complaints about Netflix and others are also being discussed
Note how little of the conversation even cares about that aspect. It's just yet another feature to mark off.
Although given it's an MP centric feature I do think maybe the title should swap it out in exchange for Skype, given that's in the same boat as stuff like TV guide.
General Choomin
Banned
I would think that Sony does pay quite a bit for such games. Companies might also accept less money to submit their game to Sony PS+ so that it can be promoted. For example, giving away sleeping dogs is only a win win for both companies as it gives content for PS+ and it promotes a game that a lot of people passed on since it was a new IP. Added to that, the new owners of the game will now buy the DLC.
Sony can also promote their first party titles by releasing half games. Such as the single player portion of starhawk or the multiplayer portion of killzone and uncharted.
PS+, IMO, is a content pusher. The more people using PS+ the better it is for both Sony and third party sales. MS should have really emulated this idea instead of walling off features so that they can claim that gold has value.
I'm incredibly surprised this thread got this many views. Why are we surprised that MS is putting some of their core features behind a paywall? Don't know why Smart Match is included in this, it's a multiplayer feature of course it'll be behind a paywall. As far as Game DVR goes, if you can record but not upload unless you have gold, that's acceptable. But if you can't even record, it's kind of pathetic. Anyway, all MS is doing is incentivizing the most popular paid console gaming service. A lot of the people buying X1s very likely already have gold subscriptions or are used to paying for it. I have no problem with it. I do however have a problem with putting a subscription service like Netflix behind a paywall. It's also imo in MS best interest to put their TV features in front of the paywall.
ParenegadeM
Banned
Here's the problem I have with the complaints. I see the same people complaining about this slamming MS in every thread so I know they aren't buying an XB1. So why do they care? It sounds like console war bs as opposed to genuine disappointment.
SwiftDeath
Member
I wonder if giving free games to PS+ might net you as a publisher some type of discount with PSN
I.E. whatever the fees you get on games go down or something for such and such
Maybe not though
Meh I legitimately wanted to try the TV functions out on the X1 at some point
As one of my other posts probably mentioned, I do want to get an X1 but not at launch
I guess there's no way to prove that I want to get an X1 eventually
I really don't think most of the complaints are console war BS though
I don't want 2 subscriptions so why should my experience with the X1 suffer in so many different ways because of that?
Dragon1893
Member
The game dvr is behind a paywall? I actually wasn't expecting that.
I only saw 1 or 2 people do that and they realized what they did afterwards. The rest of the thread is about
- the DVR and TV Guide
-"I wasn't expecting that"
- "you guys are foolish if you expected anything less of MS"
- "I'm okay with this MS is great for adding more value to the subscription"
-"LOL value added, sure."
-"MS made the right decision, just like it was right for them to put Netflix behind the paywall"
-"no it wasn't"
- "who has an xbox without a gold sub?"
-"60% of 360 owners do not have a gold sub"
- PS+ vs XBLG
etc.
This is probable, also this garners potential DLC purchases and interest in a sequel, it's not surprising BF3 was free last month in the EU when a BF4 is coming out almost day and date with the PS4.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Quadraphonic
Member
Changing generations is a good time to switch parties, as it's essentially a reset for everyone. Even more so with no BC.
Right now, everyone is a potential customer for both companies. MS forgot that.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
I'll be surprised if the snap feature isn't paywalled. Cloud computing as well...
SonicXtreme
Member
all the talk about 'smartmatch' just reminds me of how much hype MS had over the rep system and gamerzones prior to the 360 launch that ended up more than useless. it's a nice thing to talk about but i'll let it weigh in on my opinion once i find out just how useful the function is. for now it's basically just a buzzword that could end up in segregating communities in a good or very bad way.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Velocity Girl 2.0.
General Choomin
Banned
And that's a shame with the MS could do the same thing with f2p if it wasn't for the restrictive nature of their paywall IMO
silver.tongue
Member
That will be expensive, no?
Expensive is a relative term.
3rdamention
Member
So, let me get this straight........
If I went to get an Xbox One, as the center of my entertainment center, as the "One" device to bring everything together, and not for a gaming machine, I will still have to buy Xbox Live to use it simply as an entertainment machine?
If I went to get an Xbox One, as the center of my entertainment center, as the "One" device to bring everything together, and not for a gaming machine, I will still have to buy Xbox Live to use it simply as an entertainment machine?
This all leads to potential console sales though when these discussions come up. Yes, most people on these forums will have at least one of the subscriptions. But considering only around 30 million people subbed to live Gold and MS wants this to be an all-in-one entertainment hub, I'm not sure what customers they are trying for.
Are they only going to be appealing to 30 million total potential users? How can MS possibly try to compete for your living room against things like $100 Apple TV with a $500 Kinect TV that needs $60 per year to use?
Short of playing DVDs/blu-rays (or so I'd fucking hope)? Yeah, I think you got that right.
Vestal
Gold Member
hi welcome to nextgen gaming.
I would love to see a poll of how many people in GAF don't have either a ps+ or live sub.
back to topic, I would say that the tv stuff is shitty if its behind the pay wall. GAMEDVR I understand as long as you can still record locally without uploading.
quickwhips
Member
The problem is in most people I talk to that play games and have both systems think in my circle that PS3 interface for multiplayer is lacking and while free Multiplayer is nice simplicity is more important. If PS4 can make a easy to user interface that works with all games just not some then they might have a winner but still verdict is not in yet. MS gives everyone confidence with this part of the system from the 360.
NullPointer
Member
Microsoft: This is all just a whole lot easier when you're all paying us on a regular schedule.
So, all that media related OS functionality that sequestered quite a bit of system resources are now only accessible to paid members.
Plus, the cable services are mostly targeted toward the US audience and so overall, it seems like the box is the best value for money for gamers who are also avid cable tv viewers, live in the da united states of americans, are members of xbox live (prerequisite) and have $500+ dollars to spend at launch.
Plus, the cable services are mostly targeted toward the US audience and so overall, it seems like the box is the best value for money for gamers who are also avid cable tv viewers, live in the da united states of americans, are members of xbox live (prerequisite) and have $500+ dollars to spend at launch.
Don't you think it would make more sense to ask how satisfied people are with their live/ps+ subscription?
Sounds kinda pointless to even ask that since we're obviously are all here and heavily invested in gaming.
Maybe how worthwhile you find the service.
And being able to record but not upload....what's the point?
CitizenCope
Member
It does suck but with my income and just $5 a month it's worth it to get the exclusives. I know some find it hard to believe but MS does have some fantastic "console exclusives" that make it worth the $5. Get away from the forums for a while, enjoy other things but gaming. You'll realize how many times you'll drop $5 in a WEEK on something stupid. And if it does bother you that much don't invest a dime with MS, which you are probably already doing. Thank you for your concern though.