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Capcom has really pioneered the "outsourced with dubious quality control" genre this gen.
Keep in mind that Okami is "Nature Adventure", and Monster Hunter is "Hunting Action".
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e090903.html
There's a big enough difference that deserves to be acknowledged. It's like saying why distinguish between racing sims and arcadey racing games.
Also
I hate the phrase "character action game" that's also been popularized on here.
What a goddamn meaningless term.
They're all action games! Why the hell are we dividing a niche genre into even more narrow categories??
NEOGAF!!!
"action games" is about as descriptive as "RPG" these days.
I've always been a fan of made up genres.
"High Speed Robot Action"
"Tactical Espionage Action"
I think the concept art for 101 said "Mass Hero Action" or something.
In the end they're all just action games lol. It just sounds a bit more descriptive and cool!
wait
Bayo
MadWorld
Anarchy
Revengeance
Vanquish
TW101
I only count two. MadWorld and Anarchy are /brawlers/, Vanquish was an awful shootbang/action demon baby, and I've yet to play TW101.
What is the distinction?
I think that outside of Vanquish and maybe Anarchy Reigns, all of their games have been in the same genre (W101 is definitely whatever "character action" is, I guess), and I don't really have a problem with that since they're pretty good at what they do. Does anyone really want to see them spending their time on a RPG or something?
The fuck am I reading? I know some people completely misunderstood the game and played it like a cover shooter, but how on earth is it awful?
Play TW101.
And Vanquish was a great shootbang/action demon baby.
And I don't need RPGs or sim anything from Platinum. Plenty of other devs out there making that stuff.
Play MGR.
I'm all for more descriptions. No more throwing Final Fantasy 6, Baldur's Gate 2, Kingdom Hearts 2, and Mass Effect 2 under the generic "RPG" banner.
Retro_ in the minority, as always
Not att all, since most games are character action games.
Mario technically is a character action game, Halo is a character action game. By proxy of you playing a character and doing actions that harm other objects.
At least shooter and Platformer describe to some degree to something in the game.
Action games, litterally mean jack shit.
Brawler = Fight Multiple Enemies in one screen, pick up different environmental objects to use against enemies, different powerups to protect you from enemies, limited respawns/lives, minibosses and bosses. Think Final Fight, Streets of Rage. MadWorld and Anarchy are brawlers.
I really want to play MGR, but I'm not supporting Konami for a while. I'll probably borrow it from a friend. Not a single penny from me.
Yeah, this. Given Capcom's current situation, it probably won't happen. If you want a Kamiya DMC, get Bayonetta 1 and 2.It's nice to be optimistic, but it's never going to happen. Bayonetta and Bayonetta 2 are the closest you're going to another Kamiya DMC.
Those aren't attempts at naming genres as much as they are attempts at defining the focus of the game.
Yeah, this. Given Capcom's current situation, it probably won't happen. If you want a Kamiya DMC, get Bayonetta 1 and 2.
Brawler = Fight Multiple Enemies in one screen, pick up different environmental objects to use against enemies, different powerups to protect you from enemies, limited respawns/lives, minibosses and bosses. Think Final Fight, Streets of Rage. MadWorld and Anarchy are brawlers.
Wha....
I'm going to bed
Whenever I hear the phrase "character action", it makes me think of the phrase "that person is a real character", so it makes me think of over-the-top protagonists like Dante, Gene, and Bayonetta. I don't have any idea where that descriptor came from in the first place though.
Not really. Because those games have very distinct differences and are made for two different audiences with very little overlap.
Action games are all made for more or less the same audience, or at the very least there's alot of overlap between all the different categories we make up.(Platinum's games alone are all VASTLY different from one another, but they're all targeted towards their core fanbase)
and the differences aren't distinct at all. In fact I'd argue alot of them are made up based on ignorance and misconceptions.(Anarchy being labeled a "brawler" despite having more "combo and style" potential than MGR, a "character action game".)
but again, whatever.
The difference matter. God of War and DMC are targeted at way different preferences and what people want out of an action game. These aren't even little nuances that make them different like Virtua Fighter vs Tekken, these are like 3D vs 2D fighters in terms of differences. God of War has more in common with Uncharted than DMC.
OMG "Nature Adventure" and "Hunting Action." So specific and so accurate. I love this thread now.
Game: EA Presents John Madden '15
Genre: Tactical Not Soccer Tackling and Throwing Action (feat. Kicking)
Jaffe even said he was influenced by DMC.They even have the red orbs = money, green orbs = health thing. Jaffe was pretty clear about his influences.
Eternal Sonata is a turn based action RPG, problem reinstated.Final Fantasy 6, Etrian Odyssey and Shin Megami Tensei are turn based RPGs. Kingdom Hearts, Mass Effect 2 and Ys 7 are Action RPGs. Problem solved.
What did Konami do wrong (lately)?
Gaf will crucify me, but DMC (Ninja Theory) 2 please. Not interested in the old franchise.
I don't know about that. God of War might be kind of simple combat-wise compared to the Devil May Cry games, but if you look at how you actually interact with your enemies in those games, they are still way closer to DMC than Uncharted. I don't think "going for mass appeal" is enough to change a game's genre.
Ok i guess if you consider dmc to be a spinoff and not a reboot than yeah I can see why you'd be hoping for a return to old Dante and his story/universe. It is a reboot though, and franchises historically stay that way once they've been rebooted. I guess years and years of historical precedent may not seem like common sense to you but what are ya gonna do.Sorry, I didn't realize that 'rebranding is permanent' is what you meant when you were talking about common sense and logic. I thought would actually give me some reasons and logic, not just some random conjecture you personally believe to be true. I'm not even sure what you're getting at with the term 'rebrand'--why are you looking at it like some kind of permanent, irrefutable change? It doesn't seem so different from any other spin-off or side-series, which Capcom in particular has a history of doing.
DMC is a classic Capcom franchise. Making one new game based on that legacy doesn't forever block off new games based on the original series from being made. Whether it will happen or not is another story; but laughing at the idea of a DMC5 and calling people discussing it "sad" is stupid. Go away with that shit.
Because I have common sense and basic reasoning. Once a video game series gets rebooted it doesn't go back to the old. That's not how rebranding works. Once something's been rebranded it either becomes successful or it dies in its current form. The only product I know of that defies this rule is coca cola with the new coke debacle. I will eat my shoes if devil may cry 5 is announced with old school Dante. I know how you feel though, I'm still waiting for evil dead 4
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands says otherwise...
Ok i guess if you consider dmc to be a spinoff and not a reboot than yeah I can see why you'd be hoping for a return to old Dante and his story/universe. It is a reboot though, and franchises historically stay that way once they've been rebooted. I guess years and years of historical precedent may not seem like common sense to you but what are ya gonna do.
I dunno man. I guess if someone told me they were hopeful that Tim burton would someday make another batman movie with Michael Keaton reprising his role as batman id find that pretty sad too. Then if they got all uppity about it and asked me to 'prove' it would never happen and call the Nolan films a spinoff I'd probably look at them funny, try not to make eye contact and back away slowly.
Ok i guess if you consider dmc to be a spinoff and not a reboot than yeah I can see why you'd be hoping for a return to old Dante and his story/universe. It is a reboot though, and franchises historically stay that way once they've been rebooted. I guess years and years of historical precedent may not seem like common sense to you but what are ya gonna do.
I dunno man. I guess if someone told me they were hopeful that Tim burton would someday make another batman movie with Michael Keaton reprising his role as batman id find that pretty sad too. Then if they got all uppity about it and asked me to 'prove' it would never happen and call the Nolan films a spinoff I'd probably look at them funny, try not to make eye contact and back away slowly.
Already addressed that as it is not a sequel but a weird 'interquel' that was probably released to cash in with the sands of time film. not to mention the sales of dmc is a drop in the bucket compared to the prince of Persia series but yeah, I have to admit I had no idea forgotten sands was in the same universe as sands of time, which i already said. I'll ask again, any other examples of this? I guess I could counter with all the various other games and films that's have been rebooted never to return to their original vision but I really don't think I need to do that.Check and mate.
Already addressed that as it is not a sequel but a weird 'interquel' that was probably released to cash in with the sands of time film. not to mention the sales of dmc is a drop in the bucket compared to the prince of Persia series but yeah, I have to admit I had no idea forgotten sands was in the same universe as sands of time, which i already said. I'll ask again, any other examples of this? I guess I could counter with all the various other games and films that's have been rebooted never to return to their original vision but I really don't think I need to do that.
Spider-Man sells . Besides that's comic books. I'm talking films. Like, don't hold your breath for Spider-Man 4 starring topher grace , directed by Sam raimi, get me?I guess Marvel doesn't have like 3 different Spider-Man comics going at once?
Spider-Man sells . Besides that's comic books. I'm talking films. Like, don't hold your breath for Spider-Man 4 starring topher grace , directed by Sam raimi, get me?
Why are you comparing video games to movies then? Because it's convenient?
How is mortal kombat an example? Isn't the most recent game a reboot?You don't need to counter because I don't think that it proves anything.
There's already been an example disproving your assertion. Someone has provided a hole in your argument, allegedly ironclad in logic. That's really all that matters.
Mortal Kombat is another example.
How is mortal kombat an example? Isn't the most recent game a reboot?
Mega man x is part of the same canon as regular mega man series. Besides , who said anything about spinoff killing a main series? Not me.Dude, it's like, Mega Man X didn't kill off the idea of regular Mega Man. Or any of the other Mega Man spinoffs. I guess your view of it kind of makes sense if you're making absolutely terrible analogies involving Tim Burton's Batman, though.
Ok i give up. Sure, it's possible that dmc will be ignored and devil may cry 5 with the original mechanics, designers, characters and story will come out. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
No really, mortal kombat was never retconned until the most recent game. How does that prove me wrong again?? This is starting to get silly. I'm not trying to squash anybodies hopes and dreams here but seriously other than the prince of Persia game where is the precedent for a rebooted game series going back to its roots storywise. What would they even call that, a 'deboot'It was a reboot of sorts, but more accurately a return to roots- in story, design, and gameplay. The 3D Mortal Kombats could be considered a "reboot" as well.
Ok i give up. Sure, it's possible that dmc will be ignored and devil may cry 5 with the original mechanics, designers, characters and story will come out. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
No really, mortal kombat was never retconned until the most recent game. How does that prove me wrong again?? This is starting to get silly. I'm not trying to squash anybodies hopes and dreams here but seriously other than the prince of Persia game where is the precedent for a rebooted game series going back to its roots storywise. What would they even call that, a 'deboot'
Yup guy is a troll getting you guys all worked up for laughs. Again, kind of sad that so many people will cling to this false hope, although I can understand why. It's nice to want things.I'm fully expecting to see
"Enough of Devil May Cry idiots"
On Kamiya's twitter very, very soon. If he hasn't done so all ready.
Interquel? That's the first time I am hearing about something like that.Already addressed that as it is not a sequel but a weird 'interquel' that was probably released to cash in with the sands of time film. not to mention the sales of dmc is a drop in the bucket compared to the prince of Persia series but yeah, I have to admit I had no idea forgotten sands was in the same universe as sands of time, which i already said. I'll ask again, any other examples of this? I guess I could counter with all the various other games and films that's have been rebooted never to return to their original vision but I really don't think I need to do that.
No really, mortal kombat was never retconned until the most recent game. How does that prove me wrong again?? This is starting to get silly. I'm not trying to squash anybodies hopes and dreams here but seriously other than the prince of Persia game where is the precedent for a rebooted game series going back to its roots storywise. What would they even call that, a 'deboot'