Uno Venova
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So the standby/sleep power draw is....?
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PS4 power draw - 80W idle, 120W-140W gaming, max 45 Degrees Celsius exhaust
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Sleeplessnights
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Put this in the OP:
Noise levels are very pleasing.
Lol man. Just fucking lol.
WickedCobra03
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I may go ahead and wait wait for the revision to come out, but then again I don't think that the PS3 came out with a slim model for at like 3 years and the PS2 slim was even long I think...
It's not really for the form factor, it is more for nice, heat and power consumption reductions. I hate noisy hot consoles that draw a ton of power, and with this generation looking like they are not going to be having any hard on/off switches, I think we are really going to need low power consoles in their standby modes with them doing that "instant-on" thing, short of unplugging them.
It's not really for the form factor, it is more for nice, heat and power consumption reductions. I hate noisy hot consoles that draw a ton of power, and with this generation looking like they are not going to be having any hard on/off switches, I think we are really going to need low power consoles in their standby modes with them doing that "instant-on" thing, short of unplugging them.
Do you have a 8 Core Netbook?
I think it's absolute peak of 140 is about 60-80 less than OG PS3s, if I'm not wrong? Those were over 200W iirc.
hardcastlemccormick
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It can, if you aim for low power draw and you're careful with your idle power settings. Those components can be expensive though, and it doesn't factor in much for heat dissipation.
Knowing nothing about the system, I would imagine the PS4 is never quite "idle" when it's on in the same way that a consumer OS is, particularly on the GPU side.
Compared to the last generation or its equivalent in PC land, it really isn't.
BurnOutBrighter
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You know you can turn it off if you don't want it using power.
IIRC there's no standby mode right now.
Isn't 113 degrees F really hot. My GPU doesn't even go above 80.
smokeandmirrors
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AMD processors typically run hotter and at a higher wattage.
Then why buy a PS4 at all?
Put this in the OP:
What asshattery is this - the measurements make no sense! Where is this chart from? Almost no reduction in dB between 1 and 3 meters. The drop would be almost 10 dB in anechoic conditions.
GrizzleBoy
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Example of desktop CPUs (FX8150 is 8 core) with a GTX580 pulling high 50s to low 70s.
Wuut.
Oublieux
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Why are we using Fahrenheit? All PC's register heat as Celsius, so your GPU isn't going above 80 degrees Celsius--that's pretty normal.
Confusion Illusion
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113 F is 45 Celsius so not really. 80 F is like 27 C - I doubt your GPU runs that cool when gaming
See my post above. You can't really go lower than 40dB in a normal, quiet room. That's background noise.
hardcastlemccormick
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Example of desktop CPUs (FX8150 is 8 core) with a GTX580 pulling high 50s to low 70s.
Those CPU's are also pretty expensive compared to the PS4. There's also a software equation to this. The PS4's OS is not the same as Windows 7 or 8, and their idle modes are probably very different. Windows in particular has a lot of power saving stuff that desktops share as well, like avoiding the GPU and not spinning up the hard drives.
I think that poster means, don't leave the console idle, just turn it off.
babyghost853
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"ambient noise was 40dB"
Does your netbook have Uncharted?
netbook class, lol...........
smokeandmirrors
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Exactly. Also do we know the die size for the SOC? It's gotta be bigger than those desktop processors so it's naturally gonna eat more power.
if they have all 8 cores running at full voltage when the system is idle they're doing something wrong
Sarcasm? Poes law and all.
The GPU is based on cards that are out right now, only two cards in the new R9/7 series are even GCN 2.0 based, and the CPU is the most current one too, it just replaced bobcat recently.
For a 400 dollar console, parity with a 250 dollar GPU is good enough for me. The CPU may not be terribly high end but consoles have less CPU overhead plus there's twice as many of them as you'd normally find in the mid range laptops they are targetted at. Plus the whole 8GB GDDR5 thing that bears no repeating.
True though, these aren't the 900 dollar to build tanks that Sony threw into the foray last generation and screwed themselves over with, but that's kind of the point.
80W is certainly not full voltage, and it's not just the CPUs, there's the GPU and RAM and wifi and everything still running, and keep in mind the idle test is not doing nothing, it's doing way more than say Windows on your laptop at the home screen, it's probably updating content and animating the screen and whatnot.
it's definitely not bigger than any of those CPUs + a GTX 580, which is what that chart is showing
smokeandmirrors
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Missed the gtx 580 part, so yes.
hardcastlemccormick
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Lol, comparing sli to console.
It's a correct assertion actually. Netbooks typically don't have 8 however (nor reserved cores either)
Hazelhurst
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Yeah, that seems a little high.
Wolfgang Jr
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45degrees is pretty damn warm! Thank God it's pumping that OUT of the console.
Snapshot King
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What's with all the confusion over standby, idle and suspend mode in here?
Idle is just that, idling on the PSNs dash. Not doing anything fancy, but everything is turned on and it's displaying video and sound.
Standby is NOT going to be patched in. It's the low power state you'd get by putting it to sleep. It's roughly equivalent in use to hitting the Vitas power button once. Just enough to keep it "on" per say, but most everything turned off.
Suspend is the feature that didn't make launch, and that's a game function, to keep your exact location saved in memory, allowing you to go back whenever you want as if you just paused.
Idle is just that, idling on the PSNs dash. Not doing anything fancy, but everything is turned on and it's displaying video and sound.
Standby is NOT going to be patched in. It's the low power state you'd get by putting it to sleep. It's roughly equivalent in use to hitting the Vitas power button once. Just enough to keep it "on" per say, but most everything turned off.
Suspend is the feature that didn't make launch, and that's a game function, to keep your exact location saved in memory, allowing you to go back whenever you want as if you just paused.
Hazelhurst
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Surely 80W in idle is a typo/mistake? I thought they were aiming for energy efficiency. 100W for Blu-ray playback? Jesus.
Most current blu-ray players are around 15W or below.
I'm curious how much Netflix uses.
Going to measure mine when I get it.
Most current blu-ray players are around 15W or below.
I'm curious how much Netflix uses.
Going to measure mine when I get it.
BruiserBear
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this guy
Idle is not standby. Idling is sitting on the dash doing nothing while standby would be providing a trickle to allow the console to maintain certain processes to boot instantly.
TheGreyHulk
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Looks good to me.
Hazelhurst
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I know what idling is. That's way too high imo. I was expecting a max of 40W or lower for idle. Also, the blu-ray playback power consumption is ridiculous.
eyeball_kid
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8-core CPU + "download" CPU + HD spinning + cooling. 80W seems pretty reasonable with that power load to me.
Honestly it does bother me that like many other things these days, there's no physical on/off switch. I had to invest in a 4 way remote power strip which can do the job, uses relays to physically switch kit on and off. The EU gets its nose into many things it should not - for example the misery of lead free solder which leads to a higher failure rate in many electronics and sends them to landfill sooner. Like the stupidity of not being allowed to sell bananas in pounds instead of kilos. However, where they can and SHOULD put a foot in if they really care about energy and waste, they're kind of silent. That's things like batteries which aren't user replaceable, game controllers which take AA batteries instead of being rechargeable cells only, and my pet favourite - the lack of physical on/off switches.
hardcastlemccormick
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It's high, but playing a Blu-Ray on a PC is high too. That's the cost of multi-tasking and general purpose hardware. If you want lower power consumption for media, get a dedicated player.