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SUPERMAN VS BATMAN delayed until May 6th, 2016
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BlackNMild2k1
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let me update that for you.
Marion Cobretti
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We're gonna get a much better script because of this. That's all that matters right now.
What a fuckin wait though.
What a fuckin wait though.
I enjoy your posts in these threads.
BadAss2961
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I'm a believer mostly because of Snyder. Snyder has that balance of visual genius and accuracy of source material that I like in a comic book film director. 300, Watchmen, and Man of Steel are all brilliantly accurate in style, so I can't wait to see Batman. I'd actually love to see him direct at least one Batman movie as well.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Hopefully they delayed it so they can figure out how to fit more justice league cameos in. I feel like that is what was really missing
Yeah stupid DC! They only want to make money! As opposed to Marvel/Disney who are truly in it for the art of cinema!
I really don't get this logic or line of thinking. WB doesn't want to make these movies? No more like until the Avengers came out and succeeded FAR BEYOND anyone's expectations (including critics, fans, and the studio itself) most all people thought a superhero super team up movie wouldn't work. Or couldn't work. Its not like WB/DC weren't releasing movies in the meantime.
The Nolan Batman movies started before Marvel's grand plan to make Avengers. Since the Batman movies were well underway, loved by critics and fans, and making billions at the BO how in the world could WB have started a shared universe? Are we forgetting how dead in the water Batman was before Nolan? WB let him revive it. At that time they had no shared universe plan. They just wanted to make a damn good Batman movie to bring him back (on film). Marvel to their credit never really seemed to care too much about the individual movies or personalities since their whole plan from the start was Avengers. So yeah they had a better vision but only because that was their end goal from day 1. It wasn't WBs.
But why does that matter? Both companies made a butt load of money and for us fans we got tons of Superhero movies all thanks in part to most of these movies being successful enough to green light further projects.
WB/DC didn't lose unless you count the Batman trilogy as losing or MoS's BO return as losing. Could they have been doing more? Yeah they could have but Nolan's trilogy and the terrible 2006 Singer Superman movie made sure we couldn't start a shared universe until after Nolan was done and Superman was relaunched.
I still don't get why its a race. You think if JL or Batman/Superman is released in 2015, 2016, or say 2017 it will make it less successful? Worse quality? How does WB or DC lose in either scenario so long as they are making tons of money off of these movies? Does every superhero movie need to cross the billion dollar mark to be considered good or successful?
Some posters viewpoint is so warped it doesn't make any sense to me. Now we are comparing DC and Marvel, not for quality or personal preference when it comes to the characters, but whether who is "winning" in terms of box office. Who the hell cares who wins in that sense? I want the best possible movies for these characters.
We don't know what their total overall plan is. We do know its not a carbon copy of what Marvel did by releasing a solo origins movie for each character with a end of credits tease and then doing the Avengers. That's not how they setting up JL. Good. We don't need them to do everything the exact same even if JL is their version of the Avengers. They can both be different and good.
With that said I remember hearing the latest being that they plan to introduce the whole concept of a shared universe with this Superman Batman movie with possible cameos after which they would do solo movies and further JL movies. So if this current project is delayed in production they can't just up and pick another entity and start a movie on the spot. This shit is probably planned out much further out and completely centers around Superman-Batman. Just because its delayed doesn't mean they have a back up movie ready. That movie is Pan. Not another DC movie.
I feel like they jumped the gun with the Batman vs Superman movie and now they are realizing that they should've planned for back to back BvS movie and JL movie. Now that they have planned to shoot the two movies back to back they need that extra year.
It's disappointing that WB didn't have this foresight 6-7 months ago when they announced the project. It just shows they lack the long term thinking of Marvel. What is even their plan after Justice League?
It's disappointing that WB didn't have this foresight 6-7 months ago when they announced the project. It just shows they lack the long term thinking of Marvel. What is even their plan after Justice League?
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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This post is great and it has lightened up my day.
BlackNMild2k1
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But maybe now they'll reconsider that Amazon show on CW. Gal Godot already started her training. they could finish airing the first season months before the movie comes out if they start filming it later this year.
This would be a perfect time to let the world building happen on TV and then push it to the Big screen.
Arrow is already established. Flash is happening next fall, Amazon could happen the summer after that.
BadAss2961
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The wait is only long because we were told 2015.
Also, it sounds like they're still in casting negotiations for this movie, probably JL too. This is more likely the reason for the delay instead of any script issues.
The fanboys of course. Not to join in on the fun, but the Marvel crowing would feel more genuine to me if any of the MCU movies were actually good.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Man that green lantern movie was terrible. How did they let it get so bad?
FullMetalx117
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Outside of Avengers and IM1, what Marvel movie was actually good? Even Avengers wasn't really that great and the only reason it beat batman was due to 3d ticket sales. Kudos for DC/WB taking their time.
Did you or anyone else for that matter "see" Avengers being as big as it became? Or as good?
Because the mass majority of the people here were shitting on the project (as usual and as always) when it was announced, when it started production, when we saw screens, and right up to release. That fact that it blew the weekend record and overall record away was a shock to most people. No one saw it doing the business it ended up doing. No one thought it would turn out as good (even-though I don't think its great) as it did.
So why are the majority of the people just as pessimistic again? Its like a race to be right and claiming something to be shitty for no reason.
And again while its comparing apples and oranges, do not underestimate the interest in Batman with the general public. Batman movies without 3D or as flashy and shiny action as the Marvel movies did over a billion (2 out of the 3 movies) and were critically loved. Batman is still at its peak even if its going to be a new Batman. All it would take is one trailer or sneak peak teaser. All you would have to show is Batman and Superman together on screen for a second. Fans will go nuts.
Keep also in mind that Avengers had far better international #s because I believe the movie translated much better to non-English speaking audiences who look to Hollywood blockbusters for pure action, high budget effects, and more action but this time in 3D! Batman didn't even translate well in that sense considering the lack of action and 3D. This new Superman-Batman is going to be 3D, imax, and probably packed with action non stop. This will do #s closer to Avengers 1 if not more.
But more than that we should hope for a good movie. Not be concerned with where it places against Marvel's timeline for their project, who earned more, and whether this means DC won or lost. Be it released in 2015,16, or 17 the movie better be good or what else why do the #s matter? Transformers trilogy did absurd BO #s worldwide but does anyone care or want more Bay Transformers?
We might see official pics of the suit by the end of the year. But def some amazing trailers attached to all the big movies coming out now next year.
BadAss2961
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I have no idea. But I honestly think the difference between that terrible Green Lantern movie and Thor, Iron Man 2 (haven't seen the 3rd one yet), and Captain America is nil.
I can't understand why these studio types continue to ignore outcry from the very fans they are hoping will throw money at them for these movies.
Snyder is a hack, he got lucky with '300' and his movies have been basically shit ever since.
Affleck as Batman is a mistake, he should slide into the director slot and Bale should reprise his role as Batman.
Basically the less Snyder has to do with any part of this movie the better. His Superman was a mess.
Snyder is a hack, he got lucky with '300' and his movies have been basically shit ever since.
Affleck as Batman is a mistake, he should slide into the director slot and Bale should reprise his role as Batman.
Basically the less Snyder has to do with any part of this movie the better. His Superman was a mess.
Can Crusher
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I guess a lot of DC fans are going to just off themselves if this ends up making less than Avengers.
BIGGER ICONS AND SHIT
BIGGER ICONS AND SHIT
Because the same fans thought Whedon directing Avengers was a terrible idea, that casting Ledger as the Joker was a terrible idea, that Ras Al Ghul as the main villain wouldn't work, the Batmobil looked stupid....and so on and so on.
Fan casting and wishes for who should do what are pointless and don't translate to actual results. We even have fans now who claim the whole Nolan trilogy was terrible and he didn't "get" Batman or do it justice. Whatever that means.
You think A list directors are just lining up to do these movies? No they have their own projects and only seem to be attached to the big action movies if that's where they got their start or are in need of a revival. I rather have directors who have an interest in making these movies and have that passion translate to a good movie.
All of this sounds great but again would only happen if it was already originally planned. Like I said they moved production back but that doesn't mean the whole set up for their DC shared universe is changing. It will still revolve around this Superman-Batman movie and so some of these shows or TV projects might need the movie to come out first.
You would most definitely be in the minority of opinion. Green Lantern was putrid. Pure ass. I'm not the biggest lover of Thor 1,2 and Captain America but those films shit on GL.
Fuck that film.
Only the ones who care about sales-age bullshit and view everything Marvel and DC do as a competition.
Me? I just want the movie to be good and make enough money to justify a sequel.
b&jy77VjiKn$#F
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It's your opinions and all but I think Watchmen and Dawn of the Dead (I know DotD was way before 300) was damn great. About Snyder's Superman being a mess, it has something to do with Goyer too, you know. Why it always is Snyder the one to blame when it come to MoS? I know some of its problems was Snyder's fault but Goyer's script is essentially why Man of Steel is meh.
PhoncipleBone
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I am glad it is delayed. It won't be rushed through production, and it should give them time to get a solid script in place and plan things out.
The delay actually makes me feel better about the whole thing.
The delay actually makes me feel better about the whole thing.
lol...and the difference between your post and fanboy posts are nil.
Nah, I don't think he would. I don't think the general audience differentiates to the level I've seen from some people on GAF. I haven't seen Thor 2, but Green Lantern, Iron Man 2, Captain Amercia, The Incredible Hulk all occupy the same tier of craptacular. They're all uninspired and boring movies. Most of these comic book movies are either boring or just okay. That's why it's even more cringe worthy seeing these nerd battles of DC and Marvel. Maybe it's because I'm not a comic book fan, but the only good comic book movies from DC/Marvel in my eyes have been Iron Man, Avengers and the Nolan Batman trilogy. That's it. This isn't counting Fox's X-Men 2 of course which is also good.
This also neglects the fact that this is all pretty subjective. Some people like movies for different reasons. Whether they're fans of certain characters, actors, or just because of some other reason. That's why it's even weirder seeing 'lol Marvel' and 'lol DC' posts in these threads so often.
My understanding is that BvS is now coming up against an unspecified Marvel movie, with Xmen: Apocalypse and Amazing Spiderman 3 being released within the following 2-3 weeks. Why does WB think that is a good idea? Is there anything coming later that summer that warrants WB making May 2016 so crowded? Do they think they can scare the competition into later release dates? I know they can with a movie of this size, but that still seems like a risky proposition.
Can Crusher
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I want it to be good too, and I have faith in Affleck 3.0.
Demoncarnotaur
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Well, is there any truth to Affleck getting injured and the delay happening in part from that?
Green Lantern's biggest crime is that it's boring. It's just a complete failure in storytelling. A bad movie, but not nearly as bad as it's made out to be. I wouldn't put it on Catwoman or Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengence tier bad.
It's ironic that despite all the fanboy whining, Affleck might be what saves this movie. Bringing in Chris Terrio to rework the script was done at his request, apparently, and I have no doubt he'll have input on other areas of the film.
Can Crusher
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I would say Green Lantern was horrible in every sense. Appalling really, up there with the likes of Catwoman.
Nah, I mean looking at the aggregate data of reviews and audience perception the wide majority definitely deemed Green Lantern to be utter shit tier while movies like Thor, Captain America, and even TIH ranged from mediocre to good. It's one reason as to why Avengers was able to do so well. The previous setup movies didn't completely suck ass. If every one of those was Green Lantern level, no way does Avengers sniff any kind of success.
I'm willing to bet Rises soured the brand.
Marion Cobretti
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I know it's a pipe dream and all, But the Marvel vs DC Cinema hate stuff has to stop.
We're looking at a landscape, were we have the technology to basically do anything we want as far as action movies go, and we're in an era where they're using comic books as a perfect vehicle to give us all that action. How can you guys hate so much?
How can you guys go back and fourth so much about numbers? This is worse than console wars even. At least with video games, people at least wait to see the product before talking so much shit.
Yeah, so Avengers and Iron Man 1 were the only good Marvel movoes, but even if everything else they make is mediocre as far as far as the solo movies go, we're still gonna get 2 more Avengers movies. How is that not something to celebrate regardless of what side of the fence you sit on?
I just don't get it. The stars have aligned, and we're finally getting world class ultra high budget action movies starring our beloved comic book characters, made by directors that are fantastic fits...
And all most of you guys do is hate...
Go outside, and force yourself to try something new. Seriously.
We're looking at a landscape, were we have the technology to basically do anything we want as far as action movies go, and we're in an era where they're using comic books as a perfect vehicle to give us all that action. How can you guys hate so much?
How can you guys go back and fourth so much about numbers? This is worse than console wars even. At least with video games, people at least wait to see the product before talking so much shit.
Yeah, so Avengers and Iron Man 1 were the only good Marvel movoes, but even if everything else they make is mediocre as far as far as the solo movies go, we're still gonna get 2 more Avengers movies. How is that not something to celebrate regardless of what side of the fence you sit on?
I just don't get it. The stars have aligned, and we're finally getting world class ultra high budget action movies starring our beloved comic book characters, made by directors that are fantastic fits...
And all most of you guys do is hate...
Go outside, and force yourself to try something new. Seriously.
I doubt this delay has anything to do with them deeming that weekend in 2016 safer.
It has everything to do with very little time between now and the original 2015 release date they set and them realizing they can't do this properly unless they completely rush it. That plus Affleck getting injured if that's true.
Both summers are jam packed. More about production issues.
I just want a live-action Batman in a good fight scene. If that takes 2 years then I am happy to wait.
Green Lantern felt like a mid-90s superhero movie with a modern budget. Dumb as hell and really bad art design for everything, especially Oa. The center of light and willpower in the universe was dark and miserable looking.
Carol recognizing Hal when showed up with the mask on was pretty funny though.
Green Lantern felt like a mid-90s superhero movie with a modern budget. Dumb as hell and really bad art design for everything, especially Oa. The center of light and willpower in the universe was dark and miserable looking.
Carol recognizing Hal when showed up with the mask on was pretty funny though.
All of these are fairly simplistic action movies. There isn't any action movie that gets huge critical acclaim unless you go for something epic like Lord of the Rings.
Superhero movies still do extremely well at the box office despite low expectations, but so do Transformers. If you think there hasn't been a lot of really great superhero movies, well yeah, that's just the nature of that type of action movie.
Superhero movies still do extremely well at the box office despite low expectations, but so do Transformers. If you think there hasn't been a lot of really great superhero movies, well yeah, that's just the nature of that type of action movie.
I doubt that. It's only the internet where people complain so much about the smallest of things.
Future Foundation
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Nope, don't you know? You HAVE to choose.
Visual representation of the 2015-2016 release schedule:
If Bale was back and they were merging MoS with the Nolanverse I could imagine this movie doing Avengers numbers, but I don't think people are ready for a new Batman when they were so used to Baleman. Not to mention MoS didn't review amazingly. I don't see regular people being that hyped for this movie compared to A:AoU.
If Bale was back and they were merging MoS with the Nolanverse I could imagine this movie doing Avengers numbers, but I don't think people are ready for a new Batman when they were so used to Baleman. Not to mention MoS didn't review amazingly. I don't see regular people being that hyped for this movie compared to A:AoU.
Can Crusher
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Never talked with anybody who didn't think Rises was a big step down from TDK. Still enjoyable.
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Visual representation of the 2015-2016 release schedule:
I need this as a poster print. Is it available in high resolution or poster form anywhere?
Step down, sure, but the idea that it was some trainwreck that completely ruined the brand is something I only see online. Same with this weird backlash against Nolan's Bat films.
Just head about this in the radio. :/
It's weird that WB can't handle one movie and I wonder if they can make JL before 2018 if they are like this.
and now DC have no life action movies at all till 2016?
Maybe they need to admit it and let other studios get some other DC superheroes (who wont be in JL) studios like Sony Pictures, Fox and Universal can do good job and that will keep DC brand/superheroes popular.
It's weird that WB can't handle one movie and I wonder if they can make JL before 2018 if they are like this.
and now DC have no life action movies at all till 2016?
Maybe they need to admit it and let other studios get some other DC superheroes (who wont be in JL) studios like Sony Pictures, Fox and Universal can do good job and that will keep DC brand/superheroes popular.
BlackNMild2k1
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Now that Bats vs Supes is out the way, I guess WB is now free to pursue movies that it actually wants to make?
Don't forget about this little piece of news:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/12...-dc-entertainment-low-budget-superhero-films/
Could DC plan to fast track these pet projects in place of the tent pole getting rolled back a year?
and what pet projects would they be?
I thnk Sony and Fox have their hands full at the moment, and Universal is still sitting on the Namor IP for Marvel, but maybe they would feel a little more motivated with something from DC.
So DC should probably go look towards Universal, Lionsgate or Paramount to get something made.
Although I don't know how interested those studios would be.
Don't forget about this little piece of news:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/12...-dc-entertainment-low-budget-superhero-films/
Could DC plan to fast track these pet projects in place of the tent pole getting rolled back a year?
and what pet projects would they be?
I thnk Sony and Fox have their hands full at the moment, and Universal is still sitting on the Namor IP for Marvel, but maybe they would feel a little more motivated with something from DC.
So DC should probably go look towards Universal, Lionsgate or Paramount to get something made.
Although I don't know how interested those studios would be.
BlackNMild2k1
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I'm sure you can walk around just fine with bruised ribs as long as you don't do any sudden twisting or crunching movements.
There is no way those movies are as bad a Green Lantern. No way in hell. Those Marvel films may not be perfect, but to put them in the same level of that travesty is laughable. They're also better than Man of Steel which was just a mediocre film from start to finish.
Nintendoga
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I can't get over the fact that there's an actual Peter Pan movie called Pan. Is it gonna be like Hook?
Sucks about the movie. We now enter the world's finest two years of waiting.
Sucks about the movie. We now enter the world's finest two years of waiting.
I would love to know exactly what caused this change. It had to happen in the last few days because I believe Amy Adams was on Jimmy Kimmel last week talking about getting read to film.
They've had six to seven months to prepare and rework the script from the announcement until now. So why the last minute change right before filming was suppose to start.
They've had six to seven months to prepare and rework the script from the announcement until now. So why the last minute change right before filming was suppose to start.
Pan sounded like a Pan's Labyrinth prequel to me when I first heard about it yesterday.
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