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SUPERMAN VS BATMAN delayed until May 6th, 2016

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BLACKLAC

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James Woods said:
Time for some possible bullshit. These are rumors I've heard from someone that got fired from the production recently (like the past week). Take this with a grain of salt though, folks. Seriously. Please note that there are some major spoilers here if any of it is true.

The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo

Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city

Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish

Jason Momao is definitely up for Aquaman

Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.

Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them

The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's

Lois is investigating Lex.

Metallo "kills" Clark

The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes

At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

My source is someone from the art department that supposedly got shitcanned (apparently a bunch of them were fired). I confirm nothing. Just passing along what I heard. Take it with the proper amount of salt.
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Terrible if this is true. They better knockdown many more buildings if they want to keep the kids happy.
 
BadAss2961

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Escape Goat said:
Robin betrayed Batman? That wouldn't happen. Betrayal from Batman's absolutist view maybe.
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I could see it happening to the "goddamn" Batman eventually.

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Dead said:
All of that...actually sounds very plausible.
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I thought so too. I like the sound of most of it.
 
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Fool said:
I really like the idea and it fits with the whole WB's cliffhanger thing. And with Terio rewriting the script, I'm expecting it to turn out pretty good.
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A fallout between Batman and Robin is probably the most interesting part to me. I like the idea of the sidekick angle already being history. Easier to make Robin cool if he's already established and more his own man, maybe transitioning to Nightwing over the course of these movies.

I don't get the "UN type deal" though... A deal with who? Batman wouldn't work with government.
 
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Parch

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I'm sure Ben Affleck is in front of a mirror working on his new look. He'll start with his classic Daredevil airhead pose. Serious, but not too blank. Then he'll add a frown and a slight twitch. He'll use a deep DeNiro voice. A mix of NY/Boston, just more husky. The overall look he's going for is "angry dim".
It's brilliant. If he trusts his arrogance he's sure he can pull it off.
"I am... The Batman."
"You lookin' at me Lex?"
He raises an eyebrow, and smiles.
 
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Blader

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Dead said:
All of that...actually sounds very plausible.
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yeah, I'm skeptical, but those do jive with a lot of other rumors that have floated around...
The Justice League being a UN-type team, Batman and Nightwing falling out, etc.
 
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Parch

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The comics have been around a very long time. There are probably many choices on how to do the scenario and dynamic between Batman/Superman/JLA.
 
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suaveric

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Batman on Film says the delay to production was related to the story getting reworked a bit. Which ties in with Affleck's screenwriter coming onboard a few weeks back. So any story spoilers getting released now might not be in the final movie.
 
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suaveric said:
Batman on Film says the delay to production was related to the story getting reworked a bit. Which ties in with Affleck's screenwriter coming onboard a few weeks back. So any story spoilers getting released now might not be in the final movie.
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That is a duh. So far the posted spoiler seems to be lacking. Hopefully Terio can work magic on that, especially with characters depth and development.
 
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effzee

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suaveric said:
Batman on Film says the delay to production was related to the story getting reworked a bit. Which ties in with Affleck's screenwriter coming onboard a few weeks back. So any story spoilers getting released now might not be in the final movie.
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Wait I didn't know about this. Who did Affleck bring in on board for to work on the script? Is this the Terio guy people keep bringing up?

I know most people will again see this "omg train wreck" but the biggest issue people had with Snyder and Goyer's team up has been the writing so if Affleck and his team is working on it that can only be good.
 
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DaveH

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Discotheque said:
a lot of that sounds cool but i don't like batman ... answerable to the US
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I think a lot of fans would revolt if presented as such, but in practical terms, Batman is basically nearly there across many renditions.

Batman '66 was at the beck and call of the Commissioner, agent of the State, and the Bat Signal maintains that legacy. In DKR, Batman drives a tank, commands an army, and basically enacts and enforces martial law in Gotham (not of the State, but acting like the State). In the Begins trilogy, Batman's equipment is all "failed" State defense contract projects, secures a prototype State weapon, engages in NSA+ spying, and coordinates police action (through Blake) and handles a weapon of mass destruction. In the comics, Batman acts at the sufferance of the likes of Waller / Checkmate / CADMUS / ARGUS who know but tolerate the Bat Family as just another covert-ops group, with Oracle [formerly] running intel and agents everywhere (Batman Incorporated). In several renditions, Batman's training is only once removed from the government, receiving lessons in spycraft and fighting from Alfred's time of service.

This provides another approach to Batman USB ("untitled Superman/Batman film") that's still consistent but different...

Batman '66 was a policeman.
Batman '89 was a vigilante.
Batman Begins was a ninja.
Batman USB as a soldier / spy.

If James Bond is your template, you can easily get your audience on board with where all his training and hyper competence comes from, why he has top of the line gadgets, how his secret could possibly be maintained, and it even makes to anticipate Batman will play by his own rules (as Bond routinely goes rogue). You'd have to massage it to make it palatable to tradition, but you could definitely get there in a way that makes sense while maintaining the essence of Batman.
 
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George Oscar Bluth II

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“I talked about it on Hollywood Babble-On, but I have seen the suit. I did this Man Of Steel Yahoo, fan event when the DVD came out. I was hosting Zack Snyder was there, Amy Adams, we had Henry Cavill from satellite over in the UK, and you know it was all about Man of Steel. And at one point Zack talked a little bit about the future and Batman Vs Superman, but when the show was all done, Zack was all like ‘Kev come here, come here’, and he takes me over to the corner and whips out his phone, and he shows me a picture of Batman. Live action version of Batman. A very familiar Batman, I might add. It didn’t look like any of the cinematic Batmans that have ever gone before. He shows me that picture and behind Batman…Superman in the suit looming in the distance. Both on a roof top kind of thing. It was on a set, a little set the put together for this photo shoot. So I was like ‘Oh my god! Is that the suit?! The suit looks amazing! Did you get people to model it?’ And he goes, ‘That’s your boy.’ And I look closely and it’s Ben Affleck wearing the suit. The suit, it is not mine to spill, in terms of what it looks like, you’ll see it. They’ll tell you when they want you to know, but any Batman fan is going to be F—ing pleased. I’m going to tell you that right now. They gave you the suit you all wanted to see.”

Sauce: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=93226
 
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Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
Going by those spoilers, seems to me they are trying to cram too much stuff into the movie. They should just concentrate on the dynamics of the two titular characters.
 
BadAss2961

BadAss2961

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Not The Droid You're Looking For said:
“I talked about it on Hollywood Babble-On, but I have seen the suit. I did this Man Of Steel Yahoo, fan event when the DVD came out. I was hosting Zack Snyder was there, Amy Adams, we had Henry Cavill from satellite over in the UK, and you know it was all about Man of Steel. And at one point Zack talked a little bit about the future and Batman Vs Superman, but when the show was all done, Zack was all like ‘Kev come here, come here’, and he takes me over to the corner and whips out his phone, and he shows me a picture of Batman. Live action version of Batman. A very familiar Batman, I might add. It didn’t look like any of the cinematic Batmans that have ever gone before. He shows me that picture and behind Batman…Superman in the suit looming in the distance. Both on a roof top kind of thing. It was on a set, a little set the put together for this photo shoot. So I was like ‘Oh my god! Is that the suit?! The suit looks amazing! Did you get people to model it?’ And he goes, ‘That’s your boy.’ And I look closely and it’s Ben Affleck wearing the suit. The suit, it is not mine to spill, in terms of what it looks like, you’ll see it. They’ll tell you when they want you to know, but any Batman fan is going to be F—ing pleased. I’m going to tell you that right now. They gave you the suit you all wanted to see.”

Sauce: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=93226
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Pretty much confirms to me there's going to be some grey. Probably very Jim Lee inspired. I was always worried about how it would look in a movie, but I know Snyder can pull it off.
 
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Miles Quaritch

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Those rumours are certainly very interesting. Couple of things though...

Why would Superman be in exile exactly? What could he possibly do that would force him to enter exile?

And Metallo. I like that they've decided to branch out and use other villains, but how exactly will he be a threat in a world where there's no kryptonite? Vent kryptionian atmosphere gas at Superman?
 
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The Smoking Bun

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Miles Quaritch said:
Those rumours are certainly very interesting. Couple of things though...

Why would Superman be in exile exactly? What could he possibly do that would force him to enter exile?

And Metallo. I like that they've decided to branch out and use other villains, but how exactly will he be a threat in a world where there's no kryptonite? Vent kryptionian atmosphere gas at Superman?
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Holy Shit!!
KRYPTONITE FART!
 
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Blader

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Miles Quaritch said:
Those rumours are certainly very interesting. Couple of things though...

Why would Superman be in exile exactly? What could he possibly do that would force him to enter exile?

And Metallo. I like that they've decided to branch out and use other villains, but how exactly will he be a threat in a world where there's no kryptonite? Vent kryptionian atmosphere gas at Superman?
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I think the second one is pretty easily solved by
Lex discovering how to synthesize kryptonite himself.
 
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DaveH

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Miles Quaritch said:
Those rumours are certainly very interesting. Couple of things though...

Why would Superman be in exile exactly? What could he possibly do that would force him to enter exile?

And Metallo. I like that they've decided to branch out and use other villains, but how exactly will he be a threat in a world where there's no kryptonite? Vent kryptionian atmosphere gas at Superman?
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The first issue is why I'm skeptical about these rumors. Irrespective of external criticism, if you take the film as presented, Superman's a hero to the entire world... not only did he first cooperate with Earth and surrender himself, but he turned against his own kind to stop the extinction of humankind (against a threat broadcast globally). Even the people at ground zero perceive Superman as having saved them. With the Planet reporting positive spin, the US government reporting positive spin (recall that taking down the Kryptonians was a joint action between the US and Superman), and Superman doing what he does for the next 1-2 years (minimum amount of time necessary to get a viable anti-Superman threat in play)... it would be a major misstep for the film to continue to portray Superman as an alien [Marvel Mutant] threat. Moreover, now that the US has access to Kryptonian databases (see Blu-Ray feature; the ship Zod left at the arctic taken by USG) they know of other aliens... potentially hostile ones. What good does it do you to poison the people or drive out Superman, your one proven defense against alien incursion?

That doesn't mean the government (and Lex) wouldn't be scrambling to create some sort of anti-Superman contingency, but that should be a covert notion or fringe bigotry, not the planet's prevailing attitude towards a proven protector. Until a contingency is developed, Superman's an unkillable god who downs military hardware for sport, proven he will kill if necessary, and is able to cross the planet in seconds... it makes absolutely no sense to bad mouth such a being unless you don't actually believe he's bad.

Regarding Metallo, even without Kryptonite, he could be a viable threat if he's employing Kryptonian tech we've already seen, just expounded upon. We already know that Superman can barely dent Kryptonian armor, so we've got a degree of invulnerability. We've seen Jor-El's hologram tech which could be used to blind, create illusions, etc. We've seen Liquid Geo tech which could provide further protection or offense. But the big one is Zod's planetary hack for transmitting his ultimatum (and Jor-El's AI). If Kryptonian code can hijack nearly any tech, Metallo could be updated as a technopath / technopresence (similar to Cyborg Superman). Having doubled the urgency with which Superman deals with collateral damage, that gives Metallo all the power he needs to be a Superman-level threat. Throwing Metallo into space doesn't stop him from using satellites to make bullet trains collide in Osaka and nuclear reactors melt down in Colorado... and if Metallo transcends his body as an AI, you can't fix that with punching (unless Batman helps you with tactical punching).
 
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Tabby

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James Woods said:
Time for some possible bullshit. These are rumors I've heard from someone that got fired from the production recently (like the past week). Take this with a grain of salt though, folks. Seriously. Please note that there are some major spoilers here if any of it is true.

The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo

Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city

Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish

Jason Momao is definitely up for Aquaman

Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.

Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them

The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's

Lois is investigating Lex.

Metallo "kills" Clark

The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes

At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

My source is someone from the art department that supposedly got shitcanned (apparently a bunch of them were fired). I confirm nothing. Just passing along what I heard. Take it with the proper amount of salt.
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It sounds like they're cramming a lot of cameos just for the sake of it, way too much stuff for a MOS sequel.
Maybe this means we'll finally see a live action cool Aquaman.
 
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DaveH

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The rumors are hearsay upon hearsay (board poster -> art department -> art director -> producer -> script) and for sensitive material, often the producer or art director will mislead the art department as to what the plot is, while still generating the necessary art. So I remain skeptical. You don't actually need to know details like who betrayed who in order to produce pre-production art.

Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Wouldn't this be too reminiscent of Rises?
 
Maddocks

Maddocks

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how far is this movie jumping forward in time. 5 years, 10 years? if they jump forward 3 years and batman already lost Robin and made an type deal. it would be to fast of a fall for seasoned and tired batman.
 
BadAss2961

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DaveH said:
it would be a major misstep for the film to continue to portray Superman as an alien [Marvel Mutant] threat. Moreover, now that the US has access to Kryptonian databases (see Blu-Ray feature; the ship Zod left at the arctic taken by USG) they know of other aliens... potentially hostile ones. What good does it do you to poison the people or drive out Superman, your one proven defense against alien incursion?
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Agreed. The time of Superman being considered a threat should pass completely at some point in this next film. I get Dr. Manhattan vibes thinking of Superman in exile. Really cool story in Watchmen, but Superman needs to be Earth's greatest protector and one of it's most beloved people.
Maddocks said:
how far is this movie jumping forward in time. 5 years, 10 years? if they jump forward 3 years and batman already lost Robin and made an type deal. it would be to fast of a fall for seasoned and tired batman.
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I'm thinking Batman will have existed long before Superman came into the picture. No need for any big time jumps.
richiek said:
Check out the latest from Latino Review:

http://latino-review.com/2014/01/superman-v-batman-release-date-change-triggers-massive-plot-rumors/

GAF>Internet>GAF
LOL
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lmao. They print-screened dude's post. This just about confirms that the media is as clueless as the rest of us.
 
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effzee

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James Woods said:
Time for some possible bullshit. These are rumors I've heard from someone that got fired from the production recently (like the past week). Take this with a grain of salt though, folks. Seriously. Please note that there are some major spoilers here if any of it is true.

The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo

Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city

Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish

Jason Momao is definitely up for Aquaman

Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.

Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them

The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's

Lois is investigating Lex.

Metallo "kills" Clark

The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes

At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

My source is someone from the art department that supposedly got shitcanned (apparently a bunch of them were fired). I confirm nothing. Just passing along what I heard. Take it with the proper amount of salt.
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How spoiler heavy are these rumors? I don't want to know too much in advance even though the 2 year wait is killing me right now.
 
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Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
The living in exile bit is weird considering that's how Man of Steel started.
 
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antronoid

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James Woods said:
Time for some possible bullshit. These are rumors I've heard from someone that got fired from the production recently (like the past week). Take this with a grain of salt though, folks. Seriously. Please note that there are some major spoilers here if any of it is true.

The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo

Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city

Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish

Jason Momao is definitely up for Aquaman

Wonderwoman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.

Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.

Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them

The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's

Lois is investigating Lex.

Metallo "kills" Clark

The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes

At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is an government approved superhero team.

My source is someone from the art department that supposedly got shitcanned (apparently a bunch of them were fired). I confirm nothing. Just passing along what I heard. Take it with the proper amount of salt.
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It's possible I guess, sounds like a lot of plots going on for one movie.
 
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