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4K Support : could it have a influence on which Next Gen Console you buy?
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phosphor112
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Many 2D games can run 1080p at 60fps. There is no reason that they wouldn't be able to do that with 4k.
We still don't get 1080p broadcast in 2012. Are people really so optimistic to think we'll be at 8K in eight years?
I mean, it would be terrific if it happened. But I don't believe it for a second.
I wasn't saying that it would be 8K in everyone's home I was just saying that the broadcasting was starting in 2020.
You have to sit 5 feet away from an 85" 4k set to fully resolve the pixels. Obviously, if the tv set is smaller, you'd need to sit even closer.
Edit - For a 50" set, you need to be sat 3ft away. Incidentally, to be able to fully resolve 1080p, you need to be sat 7ft away. So, if you're sitting further than 7ft away from a 50" tv, you're not getting the full resolution benefit of 1080p. This is assuming you have 20/20 vision.
phosphor112
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4k would allow me to get a larger TV, without a drop in DPI, which is what I want.
This would be awkward enough for one or two people watching simultaneously. Imagine an entire family trying to do this.
It's just not practical for most people's wallets, living rooms, or sensibilities.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
4K resolution?
To play what Pong?
These machines arent going to be anywhere near powerful enough to point-fully support 4K.
What are we gonna get 4K slideshows, 4K facebook, Watch 4K movies on my 2560x1440 screen OK sure why not....will it influence my decision on which machine to buy?
Absolutely not.
We know none of the games will run at 4K cept for the really really really ugly ones which the resolution cant even save them so really whats the point.
Id rather have 1920x1080@60 with all the bells and whistles.
Or 2560x1440@30 with the bells and whistles.
Than 4096x2304@30 with none of the bells and whistles.
P.S Im about 30% sure both consoles will support 4K resolution but will have very very few applications that actually use the resolution.
Im guessing Microsoft will have Bing image search and Youtube support 4K resolutions, but games.....not a chance.
Haha that pictures is a thousand times worse than the size comparison pictures.
Thats two downsampled pictures at not anywhere near the screen size someone would actually use those resolutions.....horrible horrible picture.
It actually looks like someone took a picture of two screens not even real screen caps.
Come on son, you gotta try harder.
To play what Pong?
These machines arent going to be anywhere near powerful enough to point-fully support 4K.
What are we gonna get 4K slideshows, 4K facebook, Watch 4K movies on my 2560x1440 screen OK sure why not....will it influence my decision on which machine to buy?
Absolutely not.
We know none of the games will run at 4K cept for the really really really ugly ones which the resolution cant even save them so really whats the point.
Id rather have 1920x1080@60 with all the bells and whistles.
Or 2560x1440@30 with the bells and whistles.
Than 4096x2304@30 with none of the bells and whistles.
P.S Im about 30% sure both consoles will support 4K resolution but will have very very few applications that actually use the resolution.
Im guessing Microsoft will have Bing image search and Youtube support 4K resolutions, but games.....not a chance.
I never understood these pictures showing size (aside from SD not having wide screen). I'd rather see a pic comparison between 1080p and 4k, like this:
Not that big a difference for me. I would've thought this is 1080 vs 720...
I am disappointed that the next leap in res is only x4. The last jump was x6-10.
Haha that pictures is a thousand times worse than the size comparison pictures.
Thats two downsampled pictures at not anywhere near the screen size someone would actually use those resolutions.....horrible horrible picture.
It actually looks like someone took a picture of two screens not even real screen caps.
Come on son, you gotta try harder.
Punkster_NY
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even though it won't be true 4K rez, and will instead be upscaled from 1080p I absolutely would choose a 4k equipped machine over one that wasn't.
More pixels means more space to draw things on the screen. Say you owned a store and you had 6 SD security cameras and wanted them all streamed to a single HDTV. All 6 SD signals could fit on the one HDTV screen in their original resolutions, since the HDTV has about 6 times as much room for drawing things.
UltimateIke
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That's what broadcast is though. When it's available for a wide audience's use.
I never understood these pictures showing size (aside from SD not having wide screen). I'd rather see a pic comparison between 1080p and 4k, like this:
Not that big a difference for me. I would've thought this is 1080 vs 720...
I am disappointed that the next leap in res is only x4. The last jump was x6-10.
Unless you are looking at a 4K TV, you aren't going to see the difference. Two tiny, scaled images are not an accurate representation of the difference.
We are on the verge of some AMAZING breakthroughs in technology. GAF look into my crystal ball-
1. By 2020, we could have GPU's that are up to 1000x MORE POWERFUL than what we currently have. - http://dvice.com/archives/2011/09/new-glue-could.php
2. Your entire wall will be a giant display thanks to Samsung's flexible OLED technology. Imagine this screen used as a WALLPAPER in your home. It will cost virtually as much as wallpaper once mass production kicks in- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2nG9qy6vs
3. The Oculus Rift / Google Glasses will spark a revolution where we become a HMD society. Everything will be wireless, connected, and at speeds 100X what we have thanks to Google Fiber.
Combine that, with the inevitable 8k resolution... PS4/720 are slowly becoming jokes.
1. By 2020, we could have GPU's that are up to 1000x MORE POWERFUL than what we currently have. - http://dvice.com/archives/2011/09/new-glue-could.php
2. Your entire wall will be a giant display thanks to Samsung's flexible OLED technology. Imagine this screen used as a WALLPAPER in your home. It will cost virtually as much as wallpaper once mass production kicks in- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2nG9qy6vs
3. The Oculus Rift / Google Glasses will spark a revolution where we become a HMD society. Everything will be wireless, connected, and at speeds 100X what we have thanks to Google Fiber.
Combine that, with the inevitable 8k resolution... PS4/720 are slowly becoming jokes.
I never understood these pictures showing size (aside from SD not having wide screen). I'd rather see a pic comparison between 1080p and 4k, like this:
Not that big a difference for me. I would've thought this is 1080 vs 720...
I am disappointed that the next leap in res is only x4. The last jump was x6-10.
Pic comparison won't really do you any good, unless you are viewing it on a 4k television.
AdventureRacing
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Fuck no. If it ever reaches the point where this is necessary i'll jump in then. This just isn't an issue right now imo.
SquiddyCracker
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You can get a general idea of the difference by looking at a small part of a picture zoomed in:
But the question is of you're going to see a difference in real-time conditions, on a 42-inch TV.
Fratkabula
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Pfff... no. I'd be surprised if games were even consistently 1080p next gen.
Not unless you're sitting like 3 feet in front of it.
phosphor112
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I just stood up, stepped back 6 feet. And I can tell the difference. And I'm on a laptop with a 15 inch screen.
So much pixel data is lost at lower resolutions.
Yes you will because you can get closer to the TV.
I would be amazed if even 5% of households had 4k televisions in 2016.
I'd rather they push the tech at 1080p.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
My PC will still be raping the shit out of both so i wouldnt feel like anything.
My buddies iPad can play games at 2048x1536 when my consoles are struggling to push 1280x720
How do i feel......Okay cuz my PC plays games 2560x1440@60 with all the bells and whistles.
Consoles will eventually lag behind, its an inconvenient truth.
Even if the PS4 has a 7970 inside in two years the 9 series will be spanking the 7970 for fun.
in five years....fuck.
...4k on an iPad?
Isn't the whole "retina" naming for the resolution on current iOS devices aimed squarely at the notion that they've just about the reached the upper limit of your eyes? At the current size of the iPad's screen, you can't go much higher than they already have and still possibly see any difference.
Increased resolution will no longer be the selling point on future iOS products; they're nearly at the limit already. 4K is rather irrelevant for portable devices of any kind.
Coppertracks
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No. What games each console has will influence my decision.
Theonik
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No because:
1. The number of games supporting it will be low especially at first.
2. All consoles will probably support it though patching by the end.
3. I won't have a 4k TV for a while.
4. When I do have a 4k TV it won't be an issue like 720p/1080p was since the scaling is even.
1. The number of games supporting it will be low especially at first.
2. All consoles will probably support it though patching by the end.
3. I won't have a 4k TV for a while.
4. When I do have a 4k TV it won't be an issue like 720p/1080p was since the scaling is even.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
You cant even do that with a range Gaming PC, you really think the PS4 will be able to pull that off, unless we take a break from graphical advances and focus purely on resolution.
Ofcourse it probably could if it was running Pong but if we are talking about more visually attractive games not one will run at 4K let alone 4K@60
But do you think that will stop them from going 4K just to use it as a selling point?
Optimal 1080p viewing distances are already unreasonable for most people. A 42" 1080p set should be viewed from no more than 5.5 feet away, but the great majority of viewers sit 8-10 feet away from such a set. 4k would make this even less tenable.
Lord Panda
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Yes.
AstroNut325
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Were you gaming on a 42" TV in 2004/2005?
Will it influence what console I buy next gen? No. The games are what matter and they won't be in that resolution anyway. If the games I want to play are on a device without support for 4k I won't blink an eye in purchasing it.
Would it be nice to have? Of course. My PS3 is my primary gaming device in addition to being the primary general entertainment device so it'd be nice if, as it almost certainly will, the PS4 supports outputting the higher resolution.
Would it be nice to have? Of course. My PS3 is my primary gaming device in addition to being the primary general entertainment device so it'd be nice if, as it almost certainly will, the PS4 supports outputting the higher resolution.
yes, because the selling point of something imperceptible will have a negative perceivable affect on everything else. Mainly a struggling mobile GPU causing heat and battery life issues
Theonik
Member
But viewing distance is usually fixed, people won't suddenly move their couches closer to their TVs because they got a higher resolution TV.
radioheadrule83
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Good bit of PR, Sony saying ps4 will support 4k, its made people think they're talking about 4k resolution in games even though they most certainly aren't.
No, no games will support it, TVs will be stupid expensive and you'll need a stupidly massive one to take advantage of it. Anyone who banks heavily on uptake is going to lose in the next generation.
Maybe the generation after that I'll care, but til then...
No, no games will support it, TVs will be stupid expensive and you'll need a stupidly massive one to take advantage of it. Anyone who banks heavily on uptake is going to lose in the next generation.
Maybe the generation after that I'll care, but til then...
Theonik
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I think saying NO GAME will support it is a bit pre-emptive. There will probably be a small minority of 4k games next gen. Like there are 1080p games like Rayman: Origins and the Pixeljunk games this gen.
Edit: Then again 720p to 1080p is ~2x increase in resolution while 1080p to 2160p is a 4x gap so the performance hit should be more substantial.
Yeah but as TV technology improves people keep buying bigger and bigger screens which has the same effect
4k could influence my choice of next gen console if the follow is true.
1.) The console would have to be powerful enough to run 4k resolution for next gen games like Call of Duty, Bioshock, Uncharted , Red Dead, Gears of War or Dead Space. Not just a few sports games and games like Echochrome.
2.) 4k TVs will need to be $1500 or less.
If yes to both then I will be influenced. If no to either then the answer is no way.
1.) The console would have to be powerful enough to run 4k resolution for next gen games like Call of Duty, Bioshock, Uncharted , Red Dead, Gears of War or Dead Space. Not just a few sports games and games like Echochrome.
2.) 4k TVs will need to be $1500 or less.
If yes to both then I will be influenced. If no to either then the answer is no way.
Even if these both came true, there's no chance of games like those targeting 4k resolution. It would require significantly larger investments in art assets.
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