AstroNut325
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Exactly... there were 1080i games on the FIRST XBOX! Wow... how arrogant/douchy of MS to support such worthless resolutions in 2001???
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4K Support : could it have a influence on which Next Gen Console you buy?
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Exactly... there were 1080i games on the FIRST XBOX! Wow... how arrogant/douchy of MS to support such worthless resolutions in 2001???
Always-honest
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Exactly
AstroNut325
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Art assets are already designed/modeled at very high fidelities.
I anticipate 4K TV's under $2K around 2016 or 2017.
Theonik
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But the poster he was replying to specifically said a 42" TV. Also people buy larger TVs because they are now cheap. Moving to 4k should reverse that trend somewhat until prices drop again. There is also the concern that some people don't really have the room to set up larger sets than the 40ish inch ones they have, but that argument is more valid outside the US.
Polishin8r
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don't matter, gimme good games that's all I need
Your implication is that we'll be gaming on ever larger screens as time goes on, analogous to the bump in TV size that took place in the initial HD transition.
I don't think you can make that inference of a sharp upward trend; the reason SD sets were still so small for most consumers was the inherent limitation of CRTs, whereby a set above 30 inches becomes a massive and heavy box that you can't easily fit in your living room. Now that screens are flat, we've accepted an increase in size to around the 40-ish mark or so for most homes, but that's the upper limit for many consumers based simply on the space we're willing do devote to a television set.
The technological constraints are giving way to others that concern the use and integration of living space, and even basic considerations of tastefulness.
Something else to think about is the fact that games that or on portable devices will have create a lot of buzz next gen so they will be a big part of home consoles also, & these games will use Kinect & Move or whatever other motion control tech that will come Next Gen & maybe even touch screen controls so people will be closer to the TV.
That doesn't mean it wouldn't be a much bigger task to make everything look nice at 4X resolution.
Why is everyone applying 4k resolutions to todays hardware? We don't even know when the next gen consoles form MS or Sony will come out and judging by how HD was perceived back in 2005, I really wouldn't be surprised if we see it (or at least 2K resolution) at least supported for the next gen consoles so that they can be utilized later down the line.
I remember making this argument a few years ago when 1080p sets were becoming increasingly popular and people wouldn't listen then - they're not going to listen now. I'd much rather have a Pioneer Kuro, which is a 720p set, over 99.9% of the 1080p television sets available today.
It's like trying to explain to people that a camera with a higher megapixel lens isn't necessarily better. The amount of times people have balked at my Canon S100 "only" having 12.1MP is insane. The marketing hype is just too strong.
a Master Ninja
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If I had any faith in the next PlayStation or Xbox being powerful enough to run games at 4k then I would care. Plus it won't be until late into the next console cycle that you see even decent adoption rates of 4k tvs.
AstroNut325
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Rear projection televisions sized between 40" and 50" were widely available in every electronic store and still are to this day. And consumer tastes will change and evolve as they always have. It's naive to think that we won't progress past our current entertainment technology.
It you are correct, then the install base of 4k TVs will be very small until then. Will not have any meaningful affect on next gen console sales.
I feel bad for those people. Personally, I do not have a TV in my house smaller than 60", anything less than that just seems so tiny.
I am sure they will support 4K, but that mostly means 1080p games upscale to 4K. Hardware just wouldn't be powerful enough to run native 4K unless you talking about simple games.
ii Stryker
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4K support next gen will have the same impact Blu-Ray support had this gen...absolute zero.
I'd rather see the Oculus Rift virtual reality goggles become the standard for next gen.
I'd rather see the Oculus Rift virtual reality goggles become the standard for next gen.
AstroNut325
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But don't you know... anything over 42" lacks tastefulness, decency and class.
How many strawman arguments are you gonna set up in this thread? I count at least 3.
It's a fundamental limitation of the human eye that we're running into. People may not have understood that they didn't need 1080p over 720p, but they could see that HD was a hell of a lot better than SD and they purchased accordingly. With 4k, the general public won't notice enough of a difference with a 42" set and they won't be in any rush to fork over thousands of dollars for one.
Exactly. Obviously if you zoom in enough you'll see a difference. Like, I'm sure the difference is noticeable if I'm an inch away from the television.
phosphor112
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The Sony 4k is 84" inches? So that'll put it at about 7 feet for optimal viewing. I'd say that would work out relatively well.
Tallshortman
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Maybe if they became affordable and blu rays took advantage.
The Sony 4k is 84" inches? So that'll put it at about 7 feet for optimal viewing. I'd say that would work out relatively well.
You can't really extrapolate those results for 4k, since pixel density will have increased. That means you'll have to sit even closer.
Enter screen size:
84"
For 480p (720×480) resolution, you must sit:
25 feet or closer for full benefit
For 720p (1280×720) resolution, you must sit:
16 feet or closer for full benefit
For 1080p (1920×1080) resolution, you must sit:
11 feet or closer for full benefit
For 4k (4000×2000) resolution, you must sit:
5 feet or closer for full benefit
Calculator is at the bottom of this post - http://carltonbale.com/1080p-does-matter/
Yeah, that sounds like a blast. I might as well go stare into the sun for hours on end.
Plinko
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And we'll have flying cars and personal jet packs!
AstroNut325
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You're not alone my friend. I'll battle right beside you... time permitting! Oh and based on this thread GAF does not want 4K!
Good man.
Theonik
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Optimal viewing would be about 5.5 feet for that. Here is a good tool to calculate this.
Now you'd probably see some benefit while being further away of course.
The way I read that table it means that as soon as you get closer than 11 feet ("optimal" 1080p distance), you will start to see 4k resolution being noticeably better than 1080p. That is not that close.
Anyway, in my primary gaming setup I sit 5' from a 60" 1080p TV. If you calibrate your TV properly sitting so close is not fatiguing at all.
The only thing i could see that would give some desire for a 4k reader, is some 4k native movie on a bluray, that you would project on a screen. 4K projector will be more interesting cause bigger size. You will notice the amazing ppi on a movie shot in red 5k, projected on a 120" 4k screen..
Will it? That's like sitting 5 feet or so from a 60 inch TV. I find that to be hardly comfortable and I'm under the impression most people don't like that as well.
Wow, at least some people get it.
4K won't be a factor for me until 70+ inch auto-stereoscopic 3D sets will become affordable. I'm really excited for large 4K monitors though.
phosphor112
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A lot of people are forgetting something essential in this. It's not ONLY about how far you must sit, but viewing angle is just as important. Most people get some like... 20 degree viewing angle of the screen. You see everything to the left, right, top and bottom of the damn TV, and you play a game (most consoles fps...) at 55 degree viewing angle. You get some disproportionate affect.
Bigger TV's with higher resolution allow for better FOV's while not compromising the image quality at closer positions.
Bigger TV's with higher resolution allow for better FOV's while not compromising the image quality at closer positions.
Haunted
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Not reading the thread is bannable, uh oh Dennis!
Not reading the OP is bannable and I most certainly did read the OP.
How do they feel in 2012 when the ipad already plays games on a higher res than most of PC gaming?
The answer: very few give a shit until real tangible benefits are gained from such a screen.
Team Klimt
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If you're in the market for a 4K TV, lets face it, you're loaded. An extra $400 for another console ain't shit. No decision to be made really.
phosphor112
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Find me a 60inch 4k TV.
iceatcs
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Is it PC ready for 4K now?
They are more likely not true gamers. A blind gamer who keep buy over the price monster cable.
The vast majority of people sit 8-10 feet away from their 42" sets. That's where they're comfortable sitting. They might as well stick with 720p or 1080p at that distance.
Canis lupus
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