• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Anita Sarkeesian: 'What I Couldn't Say'

Status
Not open for further replies.

Marcel

Member
victim? haha. she makes money out of it. without all those stupid haters she wouldnt be famous. thats why she cant stop talking about it.

CjXAQLP.jpg
 

DJ_Lae

Member
victim? haha. she makes money out of it. without all those stupid haters she wouldnt be famous. thats why she cant stop talking about it.

I'm fairly sure I make more money than her in a year and that wouldn't be enough for me to deal with the shit she has to. She's doing it to raise awareness, not cash.

I'm impressed she's stuck with it given everything that's gone on.
 
No, its not, these games were designed to appeal to, bring in, and monetize those kinds of people.

To, and again, I roughly quote 'Carefully cultivate and profit off their sense of entitlement'.

I'd like to believe it's more than that. Internet culture breeds a whole new level of interaction to where people literally put on a mask and pretend to be someone else just for the sake of "entertainment." We're talking about a place where you can create fake accounts every second without any ramifications. The fact that companies like Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. don't do anything only makes it worse.
 

Mrmartel

Banned
Yikes, Neogaf is getting a bigger and bigger hate going on lately. I've seen it in all sorts of areas of the Internets.

Make sense tho. Go back to any thread 3 plus years (and older) and it's a sea of gray names. At somepoint the mods banned a metric fuckton of people and now they are a loud, vocal anti-gaf machine.
 
I dunno, there are plenty of Gaffers who browse during their office hours.

I'm guilty of it.

I am doing it too, but what does that have to do with issuing death threats? I doubt there is much of a correlation with those that look at GAF at work.

I should not have said "all" but "almost all". This is my opinion. Most people are reasonable, and you never hear from them.
 
victim? haha. she makes money out of it. without all those stupid haters she wouldnt be famous. thats why she cant stop talking about it.

I'm sorry for whatever happened that has caused you to have such a fragmented and cynical worldview. However, Anita isn't in this for the money seeing as she's just barely making a somewhat livable income from it. I can assure you if it was about money she could find better outlets for it.
 
Great video, the whole GamerGate thing is absolutely toxic shit.


Also fuck every single person with that "both sides" shit. You're dumb as fuck.
 

ANDS

King of Gaslighting
Internet and anonymity. That's all it takes. Let's stop pretending that this is some phenomenon heretofore unseen elsewhere.
 
There are much easier ways for someone to make money that don't involve constant harassment and death threats.

Internet and anonymity. That's all it takes. Let's stop pretending that this is some phenomenon heretofore unseen elsewhere.

so, what, it can't be stopped?
 

Marcel

Member
Great video, the whole GamerGate thing is absolutely toxic shit.


Also fuck every single person with that "both sides" shit. You're dumb as fuck.

Or the whole concept of "neutrals" when one of the sides is an abuse campaign that shits its diapers at non-existent liberal boogeymen.
 

zeroyazi

Banned
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?
 

Ramenman

Member
"Screencap, report to FBI.." should not be apart of anyone's day to day unless that is your actual job of reporting online abuse. Fucking vile scum. Jesus those comments are the worst. Keep fighting the good fight Anita.

Utterly disgusting to be under such scrutiny from disgustingly underqualified people where she feels in fear simply for expressing her view/opinions

Pretty much. Haven't watched any of her videos but I know the volume and level of harassment she endures daily, and no one should have to live like that when all you express are views on medium or an industry.

This is way beyond the notion of "do I agree with what she says in her videos".
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

Thankfully your stay here at GAF will be shortlived.
 

Mesoian

Member
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

Eh...not really. If all of this nonsense was really about more diversity and inclusion, this would have ended with Divinity's marketing material.

It's not about that though, it was never about that in the same way it was never about ethics in games journalism.
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

None of that excuses death threats.
 

Patryn

Member
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

Very, very, very off.

Like, not even in the same ballpark.

Possibly not on the same continent.
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

who said "fuck you" to the industry? When did that happen?

Also, clarify the "group". If you want to say feminists, say feminists. We're all adults here and obscuring what you mean helps nobody.
 
victim? haha. she makes money out of it. without all those stupid haters she wouldnt be famous. thats why she cant stop talking about it.

Looks like Chico...just went Quiet. YEEAAAAHHHHHH!

Edit goddammit I knew it was too good a joke for me to be the first.

Not gonna lie, these YouTube comments are kind of entertaining. Like someone made a zoo full of stupid people and I'm checking out the exhibits.
 

Orayn

Member
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

You were doing really well until number 1.

But seriously, making videos criticizing sexist tropes in video mes is not equivalent to saying "fuck you" to an entire industry. The response to Tropes vs. Women in Video Games has been anything but reasonable and your description of the "conflict" isn't anywhere close to accurate.
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

Pretty much way off, except for maybe point number 2.
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

You must be good at touch typing, I don't think I could post anything if I had my head that far up my arsehole.
 
So:
1. Businesses design and market product for a variety of target audiences.
2. Somebody gets offended when a group of products have a design that they don't like
3. Group takes donations to publicly say "Fuck You" to an entire industry
4. Group successfully picks a public fight with an industry
5. Group acts surprised when consumers and figures in and around industry say "Fuck You" and lash back
6. Group reacts by literally saying "Fuck You"
7. Group acts like a victim in a fight they started in public

Am I accurate? close? 50/50? way off?

I'd say it's been nice knowing you, but....
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
Could you give a summary for those of us at work?

this is taken from the captions. I corrected a few words Google's robots got wrong but apart from that I think it's right

what I couldn't say is fuck you to the thousands
a man who turned their misogyny into a game

a game in which gendered slurs death and rape
threats are weapons used to try and take down
the big bad villain which in this case is me

my life is not a game

I've been harassed and threatened every day
for going on three years with no end in sight
and all because I dared to question the
self-evident obvious sexism running rampant
in the games industry

nothing about my experience is a game

what I couldn't say is I'm angry

when people who know what I go through on a
daily basis meet me in person they often react
some surprise saying things like "I don't
understand how you aren't more angry"

because I'm just being me

I'm usually kinda charming and nice to people

but I respond saying that I am angry in fact
I'm furious

I'm angry that we live in a society where online
harassment is tolerated, accepted and excused

where web services and law enforcement are not
taking responsibility for the abuse that women
suffer everyday online

I'm angry that I'm expected to accept online
harassment as the price of being a woman with
an opinion

what I couldn't say is anything funny

most my friends would describe me as a little
bit snarky and pretty sarcastic and you can
occasionally glimpse this part of my personality
in earlier criticism videos but I almost never
make jokes anymore on YouTube

even though humor can be humanizing and I like
using it I don't do it because viewers often
interpret humor and sarcasm as ignorance
especially if those viewers are male and the
ones making the jokes happen to be female

you would not believe how often jokes are taken
as a proof that I don't know what I'm talking
about or that I'm not a real gamer
even when those jokes rely on a deep knowledge
of the source material

so as a result I intentionally leave that more
humorous side my personality out at my current
video presentations

I rarely feel comfortable speaking spontaneously
in public spaces

I'm intentional and careful about the media
interviews I do

I declined most invitations to be on podcasts
or webshows.

I carefully consider the wording and every tweet
to make sure it is clear and can't be
misconstrued

over the last several years I've become hyper
vigilant

my life, my words and my actions are placed
under a magnifying glass

every day I see my word scrutinized, twisted
and distorted by thousands of men hell-bent
on destroying and silencing me

what I couldn't say is I'm a human being

I don't get to publicly express sadness or rage
or exhaustion or anxiety or depression

I can't say that sometimes the harassment really
gets to me or conversely that the harassment has
become so normal that sometimes I don't feel
anything at all

the death threats come through on my social
media and it's just become a routine

screencap, forward to the FBI, block and move on

I don't get to express feelings of fear or how
tiring it is to be constantly vigilant of my
physical and digital surroundings

how I don't go to certain events because I don't
feel safe or how I sit in the more secluded areas
of coffee shops and restaurants so the least
amount of people can recognize me

I don't show how embarrassed I am when I have to
ask the person who recognized me at my local
grocery store to please not mention the location
where they met me

somehow we fooled ourselves into thinking that by
expressing human emotions it somehow means that
the harassers have won

this false belief is largely because in our
society women are not allowed to express
feelings without being characterized as
hysterical, erratic, bitchy, highly emotional
or overly sensitive

our expressions of insecurity, doubt, anger or
sadness are all policed and often used against us

but by denying ourselves the space to feel and
to share those feelings we're just perpetuating
this notion that we should all suffer alone

that we should all just toughen up in grow
thicker skin which we shouldn't have to do

what I couldn't say is I don't even wanna be
saying any of this

largely because I still feel fear that
expressing human emotions publicly will make me
seem insecure

the truth is that women who persevere and retain
some measure their humanity are not expressing
weakness there demonstrating courage

in all the different messy honest ways that we
respond to harassment we actually demonstrate
how much humanity we all still have in the face
of such cruelty and injustice

thank you
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom