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Anthem Downgrade
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nowhat
Member
Yeah. But unless there are some major (like "I cannot believe we released that beta code"-major) changes to the final game, there's absolutely no fucking way the E3 reveal was running on a One X. Which is what was advertised. That is different from having downgraded assets.
Usually (Witcher 3, Watch Dogs) controversies like these have related to the PC version - where there (theoretically) isn't an upper bound for graphics. But this was supposedly on a fixed hardware target. Which it obviously never ran on.
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This could be the case or it couldve been a really well designed tech demo. Not saying that I agree with the practice or care about this game but “downgrade” is the wrong term. Bullshot is what people should be saying.
nowhat
Member
...and you think the final game will be up to E3 reveal standards? A game that is releasing in... a little over a week from now?
I find your optimism refreshing. Also, young padawan, disappointed shall you be.
LMJ
Member
The beginning of the reveal demo when it cuts to black has two messages
Bottom righthand corner reads
pre Alpha 4k footage
middle reads and I quote
"everything you are about to see was captured in game and running in real time"
Considering not even the beefiest P.Cs can pull off what the reveal showed, let alone the X, I think it's fairly easy to say downgrade in this case
Bottom righthand corner reads
pre Alpha 4k footage
middle reads and I quote
"everything you are about to see was captured in game and running in real time"
Considering not even the beefiest P.Cs can pull off what the reveal showed, let alone the X, I think it's fairly easy to say downgrade in this case
Lancelot
Member
Dark Souls 2 was laughtable too, I wish one day they remaster it with the updated engine, it’s a good game.
I don’t understand people defending this kind of practice. Cases like DS2, ACM and now Anthem are unforgivable. A complete disrespect.
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base shagohod
Member
Fearmongering. Trump's America, y'all
Lancelot
Member
Now explain why most of top tier AAA ends looking better than the E3 reveal. Anthem’s changes are too severe to be considered acceptable.
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Ramzy
Member
It's not the consumer's problem to understand that.
The choice of words at the beginning of the video sets our expectations.
They didn't word the intro of the video in such a way that it could be interpreted differently, nor was it intentionally vague.
It says:
"Everything you are about to see was captured in-game running in real-time".
Let's break it down:
1. "Everything you are about to see"
Inferring everything visible in the forthcoming demo.
2. "Was captured in-game"
Inferring that the footage is not pre-rendered.
3. "Running in real time"
Inferring that they didn't use any special techniques to render frames in-engine then speed them up in post processing to maintain a solid frame rate.
It's not unreasonable for a normal consumer to read that and assume that the game is meant to look like what was showcased in the demo. Unfortunately everyone isn't as smart and handsome as you.
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Hinedorf
Banned
Holy crap the comparison in those videos is jarring. My guess is the vast majority of their core gaming base was made up of people who preordered. And those people who preordered were going to play this type of game regardless.
I haven't preordered a FPS game of any type in probably 5 years for so many redundant reasons, this is just disheartening
I haven't preordered a FPS game of any type in probably 5 years for so many redundant reasons, this is just disheartening
LMJ
Member
I'm curious what wires had to be crossed for Trump to be brought up in this subject...I mean outside of the word deceptive if you're really reaching lol
TeamGhobad
Banned
went to gamestop yesterday and cancelled it.
Whitecrow
Banned
How you dare to not be affected by downgrades and care about gameplay?????
Blasphemy
Sygma
Member
well everything got toned way down, the biggest one being the sense of scale. it just feels like you're in a country side forest with some cool shit to see here and there versus the stuff of the original reveal
However, the special effects are above everything else in any game, I'll give them that
Makariel
Member
LOL what? Was Trump president when the exact same debate happened with dark souls 2 or watch dogs? So in that case you'd have to write:
Jeez, keep stupid partisan politics in the politics threads...
nowhat
Member
I'm so in agreement of keeping politics in the politics section. As a matter of fact - I think many threads regarding $WHATEVER_PEOPLE_ARE_GETTING_UPSET_ABOUT, usually per-emptively, should be there too.
But did you just make that image up or did it exist? Because if it did, oh my $DEITY.
angelic
Banned
That's why it is a target. You aim for it. Sometimes you miss. Sometimes by a lot.
Yes but the key is it's never advertised as a target. It's specifically stated as "taken from the game while running".
I honestly don't care if it seems petty, I love laughing at dowgrades, I drink it all in, because it serves them right. While we all joke, and some of us defend, these idiots are actually making money from false promises, faked footage, bullshit builds on 5 grand computers being passed off as ps4/xbox...and even a current 5 grand computer can't make Anthem look like the target demo. But EA made share money off the back of it, off the back of their "successful" E3, bonuses will be paid out to SJW Bioware management and EA execs....ALL based on a completely bullshit trailer than any decent game fan can tell is not going to be remotely real.
That's why I laugh hearily when they're exposed. It's fully deserved and I love it.
Ballthyrm
Member
False Advertising is the whole purpose of Advertising, the goal is to sell you on it.
Perfume doesn't attract supermodels around you.
Drinking alcohol doesn't make you have a fulfilling social life.
A car doesn't make you travel all around the world in exotic places.
If you look at an AD you are being lied to, it's quite simple really.
Perfume doesn't attract supermodels around you.
Drinking alcohol doesn't make you have a fulfilling social life.
A car doesn't make you travel all around the world in exotic places.
If you look at an AD you are being lied to, it's quite simple really.
Dontero
Banned
But you are not talking here about someone opinions of products but lies and deceit.
It is pretty clear that video show that what they have shown graphically has nothing to do with released game.
Honestly i doubt it was even gameplay of some high end pc with assets that didn't get into game.
Especially going by the character movements in trailer it was most definitely CGI co-splayed as gameplay
SkinnerSw33t
Member
Hopefully, you kicked over a few racks of games on your way out!
TeamGhobad
Banned
you wont imagine how hard the gamestop employe tried to make me pre-order another game.
Makariel
Member
There is a mod for the original dark souls on PC that replaces the "YOU DIED" with "THANKS OBAMA", after a while it allowed custom dead screens, you could also have e.g. "REKT", "YOU'RE FIRED" or "REEEEE".
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waylo
Banned
Imagine saying this when referring to Anthem.
I dunno, I think it's been a thing since the PS2 era for sure where people see trailers for games and react like "the game won't look like that".
Feels like back then I saw a lot of people annoyed that the trailers would contain like loads of cutscenes that look great but no gameplay footage that everyone knows will look worse.
This is almost like the next iteration of that. Publisher presents amazing looking "in-game footage" and then, as time goes on, the actual footage gets less impressive.
With Spider-Man it's a bit daft because I think most people are looking at a Spider-Man single player experience before they are worried about graphics.
For titles like Anthem though, entering into an already kind of crowded field and coming from EA/Bioware who have stung customers with their products before there's a problem.
It does seem like bad form for them to present an amazing looking game and then open it up to pre-orders and then kind of downgrade the quality of the graphics at a later date.
I'm not on the "WE WERE LIED TO" bandwagon but I also think it's bad form for a developer to open a game up for pre-orders showing one thing and then, come release day, delivering something different.
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Funny you mention the PS2 era. I remember people thinking those reveal demos were all faked but, in reality, they were actually entirely real-time. Running at 60fps using field rendering even and were surpassed by retail software. I think it was the fact that they were mostly shared through super low quality video that maybe helped cover-up the flaws?
Nothing will top the PS3 reveal, though. Good lord. The king of faked trailers.
Ramzy
Member
Killzone 2 will forever be the king of bullshit. Good god that reveal trailer was something else.
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Woo-Fu
Banned
Sounds like the only victims in your scenario are people who speculate on the stock market. I don't have a problem with that.
angelic
Banned
Yup. Well, and us for receiving generic bog standard boring safe investor friendly games. But then I don't play any of EA's stuff anyway.
Yeah and it's a good example of publishers screwing over developers since GG had nothing to do with that teaser being shown!
nowhat
Member
That's... quite ingenious really. I approve.
Woo-Fu
Banned
That isn't how I'd describe Anthem, although it might be more accurate for other EA properties. It isn't a sequel. It isn't from a developer with a track record in that particular genre. It isn't in a genre that is showing increased demand.
If anything I'd say Anthem is/was a pretty big risk.
With respect to EA's effect on Bioware itself, almost everybody who made Bioware what it was has departed since the acquisition.
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angelic
Banned
I'll have to disagree, I think Anthem is only risky in how boring it is. Its not a sequel sure but it's the most generic AAA game of the year. I think it flops.
Woo-Fu
Banned
You're saying that after the fact. We're talking about when they decided to make it and made the announcement.
On top of that there are plenty of people who will disagree with you. If you think Anthem is generic and boring you haven't played Division 2.
You need to ease back on the hate, it is clouding your vision.
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Allnamestakenlol
Member
I would be totally fine with it if they hadn't said that it was running in-game and in real-time. That's my biggest beef, really. People say that things change, issues arise, etc., and that it was unreasonable to expect that fidelity of visuals considering modern hardware (which I disagree with, but whatever), but they (Bioware/EA) set the expectation this time, not me. If they'd said 'not representative' or just let us assume it was CGI, then fine. Also, they're an experienced developer, they should know what they can and cannot achieve graphically.
But let's be real here - we all have different priorities. Comparing this to something different, like say a rental property that you're going to vacation at being a completely different color than was shown in the brochures and having a leaky roof might not bother some people, but it would surely piss off others.
Phobia
Member
Imagine only coming to this site to complain about a game you have no interest in and passive aggressively devaluing someones opinion.
Starhowl
Member
I didn't believe in the game right from the start, so it really doesn't matter. Switched over to books for experiencing a story.. Read at least 11 books with 600 pages each and started playing text adventures on C64 instead. At some point they will start to care again at which the stuff isn't even worth a dollar anymore..
base shagohod
Member
LSWilson
Member
except for the fact it runs like shit....
Ulysses 31
Member
Words are violence, get with the times, it's the current year.
LSWilson
Member
Well why not? If you show a product off as being so good, why would you not expect that? Oh and big fan by the way
base shagohod
Member
Haha never been jumped on for bringing “partisan political conversation” into a thread, but yep I guess that’s 2019 for ya
But to stay on subject since people are touchy, complaining about downgrades pretty much shows how many people don’t know how tf game development works. And even if you do have any sort of understanding, there’s no possible way to presume to know how they structured their initial showing of the game unless you have some sort of inside source, which nobody here has. Downgrade freakouts are pretty annoying imo.
Allnamestakenlol
Member
This is silly. As an average, everyday consumer, I could care less what it takes to make a game. Likewise, I don't care how hard it was to build my house or how much effort was sunk into the R&D of my car. They're producing a product, just like so many other industries, and if the product doesn't match with my expectations, as the consumer, or win me over in some other way, then they don't get my money. That's the extent of my relationship with these companies.