OptimusPrime
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HomerSimpson-Man said:
My fault didn't know that.
But normaly biased fanboys have a sig like that. I myself am a multiplatform gamer also.
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Bizarre Creations: PGR3's running at 30 frames per second.'
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My fault didn't know that.
But normaly biased fanboys have a sig like that. I myself am a multiplatform gamer also.
My one and only fear with the Xbox 360 is that MS didn't go with a big enough storage format. This is a near launch title and they are already having problems storing everything on DVD 9 disc?
Is DVD9 going to be big enough to store all these hi res textures? Revolution can use DVD 9 because their target is 480P. PLAYSTATION 3 can use Blu Ray discs since they have a much larger capacity. With games filling up DVDs this generation, how long before X360 games need to get cut down to fit on a single DVD9 disc? Mult disc isn't the worst thing, but in something like a racing game I'd prefer not to swap discs. Nor would I want to swap discs in a game like GTA. I'm sure there are ways around this.
Beer Monkey
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You of all people should know better than to make end of biting MS in the ass.
atomiswave
Member
hah, well all these expensive consoles, and a higher price point for games, you would expect your 60 FPS. Rushed perhaps?
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OMG, with MS it's just PR disaster after PR disaster. Sure the 360 will at the very least be a good system but from the first underwhelming shots of DOA4, then Wallguy and then the retard pack and now devs finally get the final hardware and now we have the performance of 360 games downgraded from initial expectations that MS set.
However... I'm not just talking about 30fps here. No. I'm talking about the Anti-aliasing. From the article:
In the words of ATI:
So what we get is 30fps with only 2x anti-aliasing. C'mon, this is just embarassing. It's neither pushing the effects nor the framerate and actually, this would make this officially the first game that undershoots the initial x360 specs, since this is aimed for the final release. Seriously this is just getting too easy for the Sony marketing machine and their demo and specs led assault.
OMG, with MS it's just PR disaster after PR disaster. Sure the 360 will at the very least be a good system but from the first underwhelming shots of DOA4, then Wallguy and then the retard pack and now devs finally get the final hardware and now we have the performance of 360 games downgraded from initial expectations that MS set.
However... I'm not just talking about 30fps here. No. I'm talking about the Anti-aliasing. From the article:
In the words of ATI:
So what we get is 30fps with only 2x anti-aliasing. C'mon, this is just embarassing. It's neither pushing the effects nor the framerate and actually, this would make this officially the first game that undershoots the initial x360 specs, since this is aimed for the final release. Seriously this is just getting too easy for the Sony marketing machine and their demo and specs led assault.
bwahahhahahahah. Am I the only one who remembers the thread regarding the pg3 footage? All the xbots saying its proof postive 60hz? What happened my dear shogz? First the impossible to pull off gundam models, then the pgr3 60 fps debate.... xbots am on a role. lol
Crow eatin time baby....
Crow eatin time baby....
Honest to God, take the four extra months. Things may be more precarious for the 360 in early 2006 than in the immediate launch window, anyway. If Microsoft wants to be a halfway potent force of opposition, they cannot half-ass any even halfway big game, much less this. Do they not understand this by now? Does this not utterly reek of the Windows division?
ram said:
One less idiot getting in my way in my 12 player Live games of PG3.
Couldn't give a toss about 30/60 as long as it plays and looks good. I'm long past the point of fussing over trivial things.
And for all the people going 'Oh no! I'm not buying an Xbox360 now". Fuck off. You were never going to buy one to begin with, who the fuck do you think your kidding.
Actually, looking over this thread, I do not see one single statement that claims that they will no longer buy a 360.COCKLES said:
There ARE posts claiming that they will not purchase PGR3 for this reason, but nobody is suggesting that they are not going to buy a 360.
Who exactly were you addressing?
dark10x said:Actually, looking over this thread, I do not see one single statement that claims that they will no longer buy a 360.
There ARE posts claiming that they will not purchase PGR3 for this reason, but nobody is suggesting that they are not going to buy a 360.
Who exactly were you addressing?
Half the thread. Do you really tlhink most of the people posting are buying one? Just more drama queens who will leap onto every tiny disappointment with 'OMG! IKNEW IT! NO SALE! MS SUXXORS! ONLY TEH NINTENONY CAN SAVE TEH VIDEOGAME!!11111111111".
Probably because I've been on GAF for around 5 years now, but I can't be the only one getting fed up of the same teidum in thread after thread.
Come now, all sorts of people enter every thread. This is no different.COCKLES said:
My point was that there was nobody here claiming that they suddenly decided NOT to buy a 360 because of this. There weren't even any false claims from those who were never going to buy one anyways...
Motion blur may well make the visual movement more fluid, but what about control? I can understand sampling control inputs at 60Hz or higher, but the user needs the visual inputs from the display to bring it all together. 60fps is ideal. But who knows? PGR3 might prove this all a non-issue. PEACE.
LittleTokyo
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60fps is an absolute must for racers. Playing PGR2 after playing GT4 feels unresponsive and looks both unimpressive and extremely slow.
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bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I say we fly in the RSC team to show Bizarre how it's done. Things can be both 60fps and beautiful. Really.
Is it 60 fps, though?Izzy said:
With our luck, they'll have simply ported over assets from the PSP game or something.
Hey, it looks insane for a handheld...but those visuals wouldn't fly on a next-gen console...Of course, I just can't imagine how bad it could be. Ridge Racer V STILL looks incredible. If they were to simply to touch up those models, use some high-res textures, add realtime reflections and other lighting effects (HDR), and bump up the resolution to 720p it would look f*cking fantastic. If they can't even go THAT far...then I don't know what to say.
The old story repeats itself. A developer aiming at including unnecesary things over really needed things. Is it needed to have people moving outside the course? is it needed to have all those super textures in the walls? I mean, isn´t it more important the framerate? Just go for the important thing, then add all the stupid details you wanna add!
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Most casual gamers can´t handle an analog stick properly, are they gonna do like with WE series where there´s no analog control? Come on, this is going beyond lame.segasonic said:
The room goes quiet for a second. Some cynical git (yours truly) decides to ask about the frame rate. Design manager Gareth Wilson takes the question. "This version's running at 30 frames per second. We're aiming for 60." Does he think they'll hit it? "We'll see how we go. It's all about timings. If we had four months we could get it running at 60. It's whether we've got the time." With precious time to reflect even on that, the conversation lurches in another direction.
Just delay the game then. If all it takes is 4 more months then its worth it. RR6 should fill the void till PGR3 is set in all its glory. If it stays at 30 then whatever,I will live. PGR2 was on of the best racers this gen. 30 frames didn't do sqaut to alter that. But it really would be a good idea to delay it if they really are a few months away from hitting 60 frames though. If anything it'll give GAF time to start searching for something else thats wrong with the game.
Just delay the game then. If all it takes is 4 more months then its worth it. RR6 should fill the void till PGR3 is set in all its glory. If it stays at 30 then whatever,I will live. PGR2 was on of the best racers this gen. 30 frames didn't do sqaut to alter that. But it really would be a good idea to delay it if they really are a few months away from hitting 60 frames though. If anything it'll give GAF time to start searching for something else thats wrong with the game.
PanopticBlue
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Izzy said:I can't wait for the official RR6 in-game media - Isamu's reaction is going to be priceless.
Man don't start with this shit. If you know something, or have seen the game, just fucking tell us if it's ugly or not already.
WrathOfOtaibah
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Apparently I'm in the minority who didn't notice the framerate drop in PGR2. I'll still be getting this.
they won't delay, its too important to not make launch - especially if others are moving out now (GRAW, Oblivion)
and anyway, MS clearly don't give a fuck what you guys think. They did it for PGR2, they will be happy to do it for PGR3.
Face it, if X360 is less powerful (or developers haven't had time on it), MS need to push as hard as possible on the graphics to fend of PS3. They *need* PGR3 to look as good as it can in screenshots, in magazines, in TV ads to sell the console.
They don't care about the 1% of hardcore that will bitch about 60fps.
I can tell the difference, but I still had a lot of fun with PGR2. So while not ecstatic (hey, you always want more, right?) - I'm ok with 30fps. Just give me something at launch for me to have faith in than a couple of Rare games.
and anyway, MS clearly don't give a fuck what you guys think. They did it for PGR2, they will be happy to do it for PGR3.
Face it, if X360 is less powerful (or developers haven't had time on it), MS need to push as hard as possible on the graphics to fend of PS3. They *need* PGR3 to look as good as it can in screenshots, in magazines, in TV ads to sell the console.
They don't care about the 1% of hardcore that will bitch about 60fps.
I can tell the difference, but I still had a lot of fun with PGR2. So while not ecstatic (hey, you always want more, right?) - I'm ok with 30fps. Just give me something at launch for me to have faith in than a couple of Rare games.