Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
If they hired on the team that is already creating NS2 then it wouldnt matter.
Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
I'd feel fine because they would likely be using the full OG team and putting Valve resources behind them.Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
>_<Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
And that is but a fraction of the millions they will make off the DotA name, something they have no right owning the copyright to.Rubius said:Valve gave 45 000$ in royalties to people who created the Polycount weapons. 45 000$ for the 5 chosen person who got there item in the game. Woa
Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
EnjoyIncubus said:And that is but a fraction of the millions they will make off the DotA name, something they have no right owning the copyright to.
Won said:That's probably why they don't own the copyright to it.
Doubt many will buy it for the name >.>EnjoyIncubus said:And that is but a fraction of the millions they will make off the DotA name, something they have no right owning the copyright to.
markot said:Doubt many will buy it for the name >.>
Natural Selection 2 is already being made though.Margalis said:I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection.
EnjoyIncubus said:Ok, trademark. My point still stands. You are arguing semantics.
No, trademark and copyright are two very different things.EnjoyIncubus said:Ok, trademark. My point still stands. You are arguing semantics.
They will benefit, but 99% of the people will buy it if it is a good game, not because it is called this or that.EnjoyIncubus said:So you're saying that Valve is not going to benefit from owning the DotA name, a name that millions of people are familiar with? The playerbase alone is estimated to be over 10 million.
The_Technomancer said:No, trademark and copyright are two very different things.
A copyright is the right of the author or creator to have control over the distribution his or her work. The Trademark that Valve is applying for is solely the right to use the name "DOTA"
markot said:They will benefit, but 99% of the people will buy it if it is a good game, not because it is called this or that.
Battle.net 2.0 is fine. Though that's mutually exclusive to the argument.Mudkips said:The problem is Blizzard's definition of "the community" is their locked-in, tied-down, extras-for-pay, Battle.net 2.0 service.
Knowing gamers I don't think that's true ><markot said:They will benefit, but 99% of the people will buy it if it is a good game, not because it is called this or that.
Kifimbo said:Natural Selection was already trademarked by its creator...
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78115381
Natural Selection 2 is already being made though
You trademark the name BEFORE the game is made.Margalis said:If I'm reading that correctly it was not.
"Current Status: Abandoned after an inter partes decision by the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board."
Well then they better hope Blizzard doesn't trademark the name!
do you manually insert quotation marks often?Teknopathetic said:"I wonder how people would feel if Blizzard announced they were making Natural Selection 2 and trademarked the name Natural Selection."
Oh boy.
Its his style. *shrugs*DeathNote said:do you manually insert quotation marks often?
edit: looks like you do and sometimes leave off the full post. having to ctrl-f is pretty annoying mang.
Zertez said:I dont see how Valve or Icrefrog can lay claim to the name to trademark it to begin with.
Halycon said:It's still "the community's" game as far as that goes.
EnjoyIncubus said:They are essentially taking a game that is the product of over a decade of development, right down to the actual heroes and items themselves (which were designed, developed, and tested by members of the DotA community over the course of many, many years) and copyrighting it as their own.
EnjoyIncubus said:Do you not understand that they are basically ripping off the work of probably hundreds of people and then making a profit off of it?
Scrow said:blizzard should just call their SC2 custom map "Blizzard All-Stars"
They cant. The name DotA is owned by Valve now. Blizzard will get sued and Blizzard have a reputation, still.hamchan said:They should just call it DotA ><
If Valve forces them to change the name then they're gonna look like the bad guys.
Rubius said:They cant. The name DotA is owned by Valve now. Blizzard will get sued and Blizzard have a reputation, still.
Blizzard got slow and didnt do anything to protect the DotA name.
Rubius said:They cant. The name DotA is owned by Valve now. Blizzard will get sued and Blizzard have a reputation, still.
Blizzard got slow and didnt do anything to protect the DotA name.
Yeah...only if its on their game.Syth_Blade22 said:Blizzard don't want to stop others from using it.. They want everyone to use it <3
No it's not. Valve filed an application for the DOTA tradmark (also DOTA2 and DOTA3) , but they haven't been granted it yet. DOTA-ALLSTARS LLC also filed a trademark application for DOTA (as well as Defense of the Ancients and DOTA-ALLSTARS). None of these DOTA-related trademarks have been approved yet.Rubius said:They cant. The name DotA is owned by Valve now.
BishopLamont said:
Yeah...only if its on their game.
EviLore said:Blizz automatically owning everything created with the SC2 toolkit is far more anticonsumer than commercializing a sequel to a mod with the person responsible for much of its success on board.
charlequin said:Plus someone else can always fork the map again if they want to keep expanding on DotA All-Stars.
charlequin said:The copyright aspect of this is really not at issue at all. You're almost certainly looking at Icefrog as the recognized author of the DotA All-Stars map and thus the only figure whose permission is necessary to reuse any of it. The existence of community contributions is really pretty irrelevant in the broader scheme of things.
Dictionary.com said:Trademark. noun.
Any name, symbol, figure, letter, word, or mark adopted and used by a manufacturer or merchant in order to designate his or her goods and to distinguish them from those manufactured or sold by others. A trademark is a proprietary term that is usually registered with the Patent and Trademark Office to assure its exclusive use by its owner.
Dictionary.com said:Copyright. noun.
The exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc.: works granted such right by law on or after January 1, 1978, are protected for the lifetime of the author or creator and for a period of 50 years after his or her death.
obonicus said:Won't Blizzard have to act to defend their trademark, to avoid having it become genericized (and thus useless as a trademark)?
Does the license say that authors relinquish their copyright rights?
Blizzards cry of unfairness is because they were too slow to register and capitalise off the DotA name, do you really need a quote to prove why they wouldn't let anyone use the name if they successfully trademark it?Syth_Blade22 said:I must have missed this quote where they said no one else can use DoTA other than blizzard, do you mind sharing it with me (not being sarcastic.. unless their is no quote)
BishopLamont said:Blizzards cry of unfairness is because they were too slow to register and capitalise off the DotA name, do you really need a quote to prove why they wouldn't let anyone use the name if they successfully trademark it?
Shanadeus said:Wow, I had no idea Valve and Blizzard had such fanboys.
No they aren't.notsol337 said:Valve is well within their rights to trademark the name. They are making a new game, and they want to protect it. Blizzard can still make a DotA-style game, they just can't call it DotA. I'm hoping everyone is denied the trademark so the community retains the name, but if Valve gets it I can't complain.
EmCeeGramr said:Are people here really assuming that none of the final game is going to be the product of Valve's creative staff?
Zzoram said:Blizzard thinks Valve shouldn't trademark DOTA so they're going to try to get the trademark?
FieryBalrog said:Valve has basically said as much, so there's no assumption required. All they've done is update the graphics and implement community features. Its the same one map, the same heroes, the same items with some possible minor tweaks to the recipe system, etc.
Zzoram said:Blizzard thinks Valve shouldn't trademark DOTA so they're going to try to get the trademark? Whatever. I don't care who gets the trademark as long as DOTA2 and DOTA in WC3/SC2 are all allowed to co-exist.
FieryBalrog mentioned the community stuff, and AI bots are no replacement for players.Zzoram said:And like TF2, they'll probably update it constantly, adding new heroes, items, recipes, maps, modes, features, etc.
Heck even in-game tutorials, coaching mode, and AI bots are new things that affect gameplay.
facepalm.gifSyth_Blade22 said:No, I want a quote that tells me Blizzard don't want anyone else using the DotA name aswell as them.
Tell us how LoL is balanced and they addresses denying by removing it. I like that shpeel.JWong said:FieryBalrog mentioned the community stuff, and AI bots are no replacement for players.
Icefrog already does update and add heroes on the original DotA, except the heroes he adds tend to be unbalance, and he still doesn't address major design issues with the game.
I disagree. The huge amount of heroes Icefrog has implemented have been heavily tested and, barring a quick tweak or two, mix perfectly within the game.JWong said:Icefrog already does update and add heroes on the original DotA, except the heroes he adds tend to be unbalance