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Bundles of Awesome - The Official WiiWare Discussion Thread
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Super mario galaxy has been played over 5 million times at 25 hours per person.
Wow they also have usage data for every game.
Lostwinds has been played 48,689 times at 3.4 hours per person.
So if I'm doing the math right that means that Lostwinds sold ~17k?
I can't believe nobody cares about this.
Wow they also have usage data for every game.
Lostwinds has been played 48,689 times at 3.4 hours per person.
So if I'm doing the math right that means that Lostwinds sold ~17k?
I can't believe nobody cares about this.
Hero of Canton
Member
Any tips for the fishing one? The game doesn't seem to react to my upward remote jerks when the fish gets hold of my bait.
It's important to note that that data is only for those who
a) are online
b) downloaded and agreed to share data on Nintendo Channel
So whilst the per-person averages are *really* useful and highly indicative of the general trend, the total times played and total hours played are hugely under what the actual number will be.
a) are online
b) downloaded and agreed to share data on Nintendo Channel
So whilst the per-person averages are *really* useful and highly indicative of the general trend, the total times played and total hours played are hugely under what the actual number will be.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Remember, the Nintendo channel only counts data by people who have downloaded the Nintendo channel and opted in to sending data.
:lol swerve beat me.
:lol swerve beat me.
Starchasing
Member
Vinci said:
they needed time to recollect all that data, you know...
50K (not 17k) is quite good for a downloadable game, on a casual console.
Do not be fooled, VC sales are extremely small, less than 1 game by user on some Nintendo sheet recently.
PSN/XBLA are not that high, the number of people ready to buy game online without packaging is extremely small for now.
Do not be fooled, VC sales are extremely small, less than 1 game by user on some Nintendo sheet recently.
PSN/XBLA are not that high, the number of people ready to buy game online without packaging is extremely small for now.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Scrubking said:
It's an issue of data quality. With XBLA we basically accept the leaderboard hack because it's good enough to show us some info, even though it's not great. This data seems intuitively poor; either the data is a tiny fraction of the actual data, or WiiWare sales are QUITE poor.
The Wii Sports numbers suggest that 750,000 people have signed up for this service (21 million times played / 28 times played per person), which is about 7.5% of the Wii's US userbase. Since we can assume 100% of people have played Wii Sports for at least an hour, or close enough to 100% that Canada and Mexico sales are more than enough to make up the margin for those who don't, I think it's fair to say that this number accounts for somewhere around 7.5% of the total numbers.
In a sense, this number is probably going to be better at giving us numbers for retail games, since we can probably just sort of give everything a stock multiplier and say "well, it's a start". With WiiWare, the problem is figuring out whether or not the same people who are buying online games are the ones with the Nintendo channel. What's the overlap here? I don't have the Nintendo channel (lol fridge lol), but I have several WiiWare games.
Maybe we can devise a sort of "points" system that clocks in all the WiiWare games on a relative scale. If we ever get supplemental data for any one game, we could do a multiplier.
Visualante
Member
And what other casual consoles are you comparing this to? 50k is not good WW for game of Lost Wind's caliber.wazoo said:
Huh? Developers are aiming for 200k as a realistic goal on XBLA. Sure that might not be the case for remakes and flash style crap. Lost Winds is a premium product and with Wii's sales it should be on at least 6* figures.wazoo said:
nincompoop
Banned
True but the hours played/hours per player number should be much closer to actual sales for WW/VC games since obviously everyone buying them must be online.swerve said:
are you guys still harping on the Nintendo Channel numbers? C'mon... at 260 blocks or so, how many people do you really think a) have it installed b) have not deleted it. It is not a good representation of ANYTHING simply because of how much of a hassle and nuisance the software needed to collect the data is to keep installed on the Wii.
Don't get me wrong.. I enjoy the Nintendo channel quite a bit actually. But I have no doubt in my mind that I am in a small percentage of people who have left it installed, and now with SamSho coming in today it might even finally be going.
Don't get me wrong.. I enjoy the Nintendo channel quite a bit actually. But I have no doubt in my mind that I am in a small percentage of people who have left it installed, and now with SamSho coming in today it might even finally be going.
...but not necessarily have the Nintendo channel installed at 260 blocks or whatever. You guys seem to be forgetting how huge that channel is.nincompoop said:
Starchasing
Member
I agree with Stumpokapow...
This data is almost anecdotal evidence
This data is almost anecdotal evidence
Some stats on JAPAN:
Wii Fit: Duration 20:37, 20.26 sessions
Wii Sports: Duration 30:00, over 28.44 sessions
Zelda 3: Duration 9:44, over 7.51 sessions (21,282 registered sales)
Zelda TP: Duration 50:10, over 21.36 sessions
No More Heroes: Duration 10:44, over 5.12 sessions
Resi 4 Wii: Duration 33:23, over 15.41 sessions
Umbrella Chronicles: Duration 14:54, over 8.61 sessions
Dr. Mario WiiWare: Duration 14:09, over 9.24 sessions (13,931 registered sales)
FF:CC My Life As A King: Duration 21:14, over 8.89 sessions (33,810 registered sales)
Star Soldier R: Not enough data/Data withheld
Everyone's Pokemon Farm: Duration 8:03, over 17.98, but... 44,779 registered sales
Wii Fit: Duration 20:37, 20.26 sessions
Wii Sports: Duration 30:00, over 28.44 sessions
Zelda 3: Duration 9:44, over 7.51 sessions (21,282 registered sales)
Zelda TP: Duration 50:10, over 21.36 sessions
No More Heroes: Duration 10:44, over 5.12 sessions
Resi 4 Wii: Duration 33:23, over 15.41 sessions
Umbrella Chronicles: Duration 14:54, over 8.61 sessions
Dr. Mario WiiWare: Duration 14:09, over 9.24 sessions (13,931 registered sales)
FF:CC My Life As A King: Duration 21:14, over 8.89 sessions (33,810 registered sales)
Star Soldier R: Not enough data/Data withheld
Everyone's Pokemon Farm: Duration 8:03, over 17.98, but... 44,779 registered sales
nincompoop
Banned
We should take a Neogaf poll to see what portion of WW/VC consumers share their time played data, so we can get a better estimate for VC/WW sales.
I'm bored so I think I'll look up sales information for a while.
DKC - ~55265
DKC2 ~ 25023
DKC3 ~ 11776
Contra 3 ~ 21103
LttP ~ 63386
Sim City ~ 15333
Castlevania 4 ~ 25626
SMW ~ 115725
Super Metroid ~ 51208
A lot of games don't have the information posted.
I'm bored so I think I'll look up sales information for a while.
DKC - ~55265
DKC2 ~ 25023
DKC3 ~ 11776
Contra 3 ~ 21103
LttP ~ 63386
Sim City ~ 15333
Castlevania 4 ~ 25626
SMW ~ 115725
Super Metroid ~ 51208
A lot of games don't have the information posted.
nincompoop
Banned
More numbers...
Gunstar Heroes ~ 31250
Shining in the Darkness ~ 8543
Sonic 1 ~ 43369
Sonic 2 ~ 23775
Sonic 3 ~ 19978
Toejam + Earl ~ 17289
This is all they had for Genesis
Gunstar Heroes ~ 31250
Shining in the Darkness ~ 8543
Sonic 1 ~ 43369
Sonic 2 ~ 23775
Sonic 3 ~ 19978
Toejam + Earl ~ 17289
This is all they had for Genesis
nincompoop
Banned
Those are just the numbers obtained by dividing total times played by times played per person. We just need some way to extrapolate them to account for online Wii owners that don't share their data.later said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Keep the VC numbers coming, guys. We can use the most recent VC overall sales numbers to construct a model for what percentage of VC owners are contributing numbers to Nintendo Channel, which would at least give us a ballpark for a WiiWare model (which I think is probably much more important than a VC model).
Also, are the Nintendo Channel numbers US or worldwide?
Also, are the Nintendo Channel numbers US or worldwide?
nincompoop
Banned
Well the problem is they only have the numbers listed for a select few titles, mainly the first party ones.Stumpokapow said:
Doing N64 now:
F-Zero X ~ 14495
Kirby 64 ~ 27466
OoT ~ 73923
MK64 ~ 112091
Paper Mario ~ 67157
Pokemon Snap ~ 38399
Sin & Punishment ~ 24846
Star Fox 64 ~ 61345
SM64 ~ 101305
Yoshi's Story ~ 25746
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
nincompoop said:
Shouldn't be a huge deal as long as the biggest / Top20 best selling games have the numbers there. A few of us can run crossreferences on the XBLA leaderboard hack, old NPD sheets, and Japanese numbers to determine what percentage the top <x> games account for of the whole deal and make a primitive model out of that--some people might say the number of contingencies to go from partial VC numbers to "full" WiiWare numbers is a bit of a jump, but I think as long as the process is consistent, objective, justified, and open it shouldn't be an issue.
AugustDivision
Banned
There was no data for the functionality to exist from the beginning.Vinci said:
nincompoop
Banned
NES
Galaga ~ 19584
Kid Icarus ~ 36222
Kirby's Adventure ~ 65075
Zelda 1 ~ 77290
Metroid ~ 29235
Punch Out ~ 58978
SMB2j ~ 42319
SMB ~ 157785
SMB2u ~ 59928
SMB3 ~ 146491
Tecmo Bowl ~ 18242
Wario Woods ~ 10004
Zelda 2 ~ 23503
And a few SNES games I missed
Breath of Fire 2 ~ 9538
Harvest Moon ~ 10982
Street Fighter 2 (World Warrior) ~ 21435
That covers everything for NES and SNES (along with my previous SNES post). I didn't check a few Genesis games but I doubt I missed any numbers. I also checked a handful of TG/NG games but they had nothing.
Galaga ~ 19584
Kid Icarus ~ 36222
Kirby's Adventure ~ 65075
Zelda 1 ~ 77290
Metroid ~ 29235
Punch Out ~ 58978
SMB2j ~ 42319
SMB ~ 157785
SMB2u ~ 59928
SMB3 ~ 146491
Tecmo Bowl ~ 18242
Wario Woods ~ 10004
Zelda 2 ~ 23503
And a few SNES games I missed
Breath of Fire 2 ~ 9538
Harvest Moon ~ 10982
Street Fighter 2 (World Warrior) ~ 21435
That covers everything for NES and SNES (along with my previous SNES post). I didn't check a few Genesis games but I doubt I missed any numbers. I also checked a handful of TG/NG games but they had nothing.
Schwowsers
Member
Hero of Canton said:
Yeah, I can't catch a single fish. I also can't stand how unbelievably slow the boat moves.
nincompoop
Banned
Also here's what they have for WiiWare
Defend Your Castle ~ 23862
Dr. Mario ~ 13098
FFCCMLAAK ~ 19349
Lost Winds ~ 17514
None of the other games have numbers listed
Defend Your Castle ~ 23862
Dr. Mario ~ 13098
FFCCMLAAK ~ 19349
Lost Winds ~ 17514
None of the other games have numbers listed
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Hero of Canton said:
You just need more practice. I don't have a problem with it but then again I've been jerking for years.
AugustDivision
Banned
As mentioned in the other thread, anyone that hasn't bought fishing master might want to wait. Its a port of a ps2/gamecube game with added on waggle, and from the sounds of those who do have it, waggle was poorly implemented.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
If these sales figures are indeed separated by region, could someone with a JPN Wii please add the JPN figures to the US numbers. The EU numbers should also be up in about a week or so, going by the difference in the release date for the Nintendo Channel, so we can get closer to the real WW figures then!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we have some loose sales figures for some of the Japanese WiiWare launch titles? Or were those never confirmed? Seems like that would give a decent baseline for extrapolation.swerve said:
Edit: Here they are. No confirmation, however.
king zell said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286949
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Nuclear Muffin said:
Basically, what I see happening is a rough table that looks like this:
US Stated figures, US Multiplier, EU Stated figures, EU Multiplier, JPN Stated figures, JPN Multiplier, Stated minimum, Hypothetical sales.
Initially we leave all the multipliers and hypothetical sales blank, but a few of us get on crunching the numbers to get multipliers. It's important that any table that has projections also give source information for where the projections come from.
I wish they would get their arses into here with Wiiware here in Europe. We've had just one game since the launch, that's seven in total next to America's current list of about 14. We still don't have Pop, Defend Your Castle, Table Tennis etc etc..
But hey, we have Actionloop Twist! ...
=(
But hey, we have Actionloop Twist! ...
=(
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Stumpokapow said:
Sounds good to me, as long as we keep track of the actual stated sales from the Nintendo Channel as a minimum number possible.
Would be nice if we could compare them to previous re-releases too, I'd love to see how the Super Mario Bros games compare to the GBA versions!
Hero of Canton
Member
Schwowsers said:
Ditto. And the appallingly pixellated opening scene and text.
Not good, is it?
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