RustyNails
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Yes but he was mentally stable enough to understand that he was not in the center of conspiracy.polyh3dron said:
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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona
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Arrowgigantic
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I'm saying that Patton did not fight for the Nazis, but the author of one of his favorite books was their best field commander.Chichikov said:
harriet the spy
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it's bsivysaur12 said:
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Can you guys not quote that huge image? :lol
I don't see why it would be surprising if it was real. I mean, who seriously talks about gold/silver standard currency without being a conservative? Or everything following the constitution? What liberal is going to call out his college as unconstitutional?
If you just look at his youtube videos you get a guy who looks like a paranoid schizophrenic who has taken hold of extremist conservative views on the internet.
I don't see why it would be surprising if it was real. I mean, who seriously talks about gold/silver standard currency without being a conservative? Or everything following the constitution? What liberal is going to call out his college as unconstitutional?
If you just look at his youtube videos you get a guy who looks like a paranoid schizophrenic who has taken hold of extremist conservative views on the internet.
PhoenixDark
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Yea...I doubt that's real. You'd need his driver's license o
WickedAngel
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A bored police officer could get that pretty easily. I doubt that anyone would risk doing that, though.
Tea Party Express Fundraises Off Giffords Shooting: 'Tea Party Won't Be Silenced'
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/tea-party-express-fundraises-off-giffords-shooting-tea-party-wont-be-silenced.php
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/tea-party-express-fundraises-off-giffords-shooting-tea-party-wont-be-silenced.php
ViperVisor
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Could be true. You can look up your status online with basic personal info. I just had to put in my name and DOB on the gov site. Doesn't have a line of what I registered as but I am not in AZ.
I only said Could Gaborn.
AZ website requires "Enter Voter Id or Drivers License Number or both." So, If true this would have to be more than just internet sleuthing + Print Screen.
I only said Could Gaborn.
AZ website requires "Enter Voter Id or Drivers License Number or both." So, If true this would have to be more than just internet sleuthing + Print Screen.
gutter_trash
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after watching lots of news on people who knew him or went to college with him..
the guy was a whack job...
I hate Tea Baggers big time.... but the Jared guy was already fucked up way in advance even before Sarah Palin hit the national scene in 2008 (fuck me! I am defending Palin!)
he already hated the Gilfords in 2007 and attended a Town Hall where he got mad when she didn't give an answer to one of his warped questions (like imagine when you get a Chem-Trails type person asking questions)
so yeah, the Right Wing radio do spew lots of hateful shit, but this guy was already fucked for a long time IMO and reminds me of Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver by his lunacy
the guy was a whack job...
I hate Tea Baggers big time.... but the Jared guy was already fucked up way in advance even before Sarah Palin hit the national scene in 2008 (fuck me! I am defending Palin!)
he already hated the Gilfords in 2007 and attended a Town Hall where he got mad when she didn't give an answer to one of his warped questions (like imagine when you get a Chem-Trails type person asking questions)
so yeah, the Right Wing radio do spew lots of hateful shit, but this guy was already fucked for a long time IMO and reminds me of Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver by his lunacy
PotatoeMasher
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Jesus fuck that is a creepy mugshot.
PhoenixDark said:
People keep acting like that's difficult. A publicdata.com account is $9.95 a month, and every private detective, cop, lawyer, and paralegal probably already has access to it. If I were at work, I'd do the lookup myself and see. Anyone willing to bang their boss's pd account to let us know?
Edit:Asking for a source is totally fair, though.
gutter_trash
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his first name is Travis, just like Travis Bickleparrotbeak said:
Arrowgigantic
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OK, saying Rommel was a hero compared to Patton is a little more than I can bear. I'm fully aware of both their histories and the revisionism. Bottom line, he wore a hat with the swastika on it, and before that he was the Kaiser's boy. You should sell your Nazi apologist shit somewhere else, because I'm not buying.Chichikov said:
krypt0nian
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Lemonz said:Mugshot.
Well there goes sleeping tonight...
Gaborn said:
They would, if they were competent reporters who knew what they were doing, definitely. But this is the same media that reported Giffords dead for hours, so...
It's probably fake, but it would be incredibly easy for someone to find out for real, one way or another, with a simple public data search.
Edit:And I see someone already did.
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kamspy said:
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Lemonz said:Mugshot.
I feel so sorry. What a waste
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SimpleDesign
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I don't want to live in a country where crazy people can't legally own fire arms.kamspy said:
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Gaborn said:
Great, I wont hear the end of it from my extremely right wing family, its the crazies on the left and independents that are ruining this country...sigh
I can't believe this thread is 55 pages long now and people are still debating over whether this guy was a right winger or left winger. The hatred between the two parties is at a all time high and that is the fucking problem! We are all Americans, and it seems like everyone has forgotten that. This is a tragedy for this country, and the shooter is a worthless physco no matter what party flag he flys.
adversesolutions
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More fuel for the fire:
Interview in question: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1
I think this interview says the most about Loughner, in terms of how he interacted in reality. This kid was probably someone combing the obscure reaches of the internet in his private life, and at times challenging reality with the blunt weapons of his non-sensical ideas.
Really, what you can get from the Mother Jones interview is that his motivations may be very much linked to simple humiliation: all of these ideas bubbling up in his head, and perhaps he thought it very profound to ask the senator in 2007 how words could mean anything, but instead her response (in Spanish apparently) probably ran straight against his ego. He does not seem to have been obsessed with Giffords, but to have held a resilient grudge against her, and his note after the assassination makes it clear that she was his target. Perhaps he felt, in a Freudian way, that he was "intellectually castrated" by an intelligent woman in public, and after reading all of the conspiracy theory fueled bullshit he could find online, she made a nice target when the time came to attack the government.
The right really has to stop prevaricating here. In terms strictly of his political ideas,
- ALL of the political statements that he makes in his youtube video, to friends etc. are based on:
1. Constitutional fundamentalism: ratifications (amendments? changes?) to the Constitution are false
2. Currency fundamentalism: the existing currency is worthless, so we have to make our own
3. Fear of language, mind control and government takeover
- One exception is his apparent atheism, which caused him indignation when an Army recruiter handed him a mini-bible.
A few quotes from his Youtube page make the connection to fringe right-wing thought apparent:
"If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws."
"In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."
Loughner's Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
I think that once we see more from investigators about what sites he was going to, and what networks if any, he was discussing his ideas with, we will see the influence by the conspiracy theory wing of the right become clearer.
Interview in question: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/jared-lee-loughner-friend-voicemail-phone-message?page=1
I think this interview says the most about Loughner, in terms of how he interacted in reality. This kid was probably someone combing the obscure reaches of the internet in his private life, and at times challenging reality with the blunt weapons of his non-sensical ideas.
Really, what you can get from the Mother Jones interview is that his motivations may be very much linked to simple humiliation: all of these ideas bubbling up in his head, and perhaps he thought it very profound to ask the senator in 2007 how words could mean anything, but instead her response (in Spanish apparently) probably ran straight against his ego. He does not seem to have been obsessed with Giffords, but to have held a resilient grudge against her, and his note after the assassination makes it clear that she was his target. Perhaps he felt, in a Freudian way, that he was "intellectually castrated" by an intelligent woman in public, and after reading all of the conspiracy theory fueled bullshit he could find online, she made a nice target when the time came to attack the government.
The right really has to stop prevaricating here. In terms strictly of his political ideas,
- ALL of the political statements that he makes in his youtube video, to friends etc. are based on:
1. Constitutional fundamentalism: ratifications (amendments? changes?) to the Constitution are false
2. Currency fundamentalism: the existing currency is worthless, so we have to make our own
3. Fear of language, mind control and government takeover
- One exception is his apparent atheism, which caused him indignation when an Army recruiter handed him a mini-bible.
A few quotes from his Youtube page make the connection to fringe right-wing thought apparent:
"If the property owners and government officials are no longer in ownership of their land and laws from a revolution then the revolutionary's from the revolution are in control of the land and laws."
"In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."
Loughner's Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
I think that once we see more from investigators about what sites he was going to, and what networks if any, he was discussing his ideas with, we will see the influence by the conspiracy theory wing of the right become clearer.
gutter_trash
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he was a legitimate gun ownerkamspy said:
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LocoMrPollock
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Mug shot.
Crazy motherfucker indeed.
Crazy motherfucker indeed.
Jason's Ultimatum
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The fuck? How do more guns=lives would have been saved? Ever thought the possibly with a frenzied crowd and other people carrying, MORE bystanders would've been killed?
How many times do sane people have to remind folks there isn't enough publicly-available information to say he even has a coherent ideology in the first place, let alone victoriously label him a member of your political enemies so you can better demonize them? We definitely do not have enough information to say this attack was motivated by partisanism, yet that begged question is implicit in the majority of the posts here. It's counter-rational.
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In what sense? That he was legally allowed to buy the gun? That's not quite were I was going with that.
Psychos are going to be able to pull crap like this off at will if CITIZENS cannot properly arm themselves. Police and whatever private security she employed obviously weren't fast enough to react. Maybe a citizen standing closer to the incident could have done something if it wasn't such a pain in the ass to legally carry a loaded weapon.
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Vigilant citizen shoots psycho.
gutter_trash
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restricting mentally unstable people from buying guns legally would seriously reduce mass shootingsKifimbo said:
psychos should be permitted to buy guns
adversesolutions
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That mugshot, christ!
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