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Could this be the first real PS4 info? (pc.watch.impress.co.jp)
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andthebeatgoeson
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Another thing about 10 yr cycles is that it'll take a stretch for the most successful console ever to reach 10 yrs. What would it take for GCN-lite to reach 10 yrs? They can keep it on the market til forever. Doesn't change much from a consumer perspective. They still have a Harddrive and a bluray drive in it. I would wonder when it'll hit below $200. I would find it hard to believe it can sustain 10 years with the majority above the considered 'mass market' price.davepoobond said:
I'm not knocking PS2 because 10 years is an achievement. But, in 2010, PS2 will be doing more limping than running. Things have slowed down as current gen has sped up and I expect this holiday to be the last significant holiday.
Dali said:
All the first-second party Sony developers jumped ship to the PS3 the moment it was launched. Team ICO, Naughty Dog, Insomniac, etc.
The only big name first party title PS2, post PS3 launch I can remember is God of War 2.
PS3 will be lucky to get Madden the year after the PS4 is launched.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
What great support is Sony giving the PS2 this year?Dali said:
ElFly said:
'And the PS3 hurdles the GCN to catch up to the Dreamcast.'
skinnyrattler said:
Hundreds of 2008 games released for it including new IP, and all major franchises. I count nearly 100 titles on IGN's calendar to be released next year, and that's just announced stuff. New bundles, a new hardware revision... still in production along with all its accessories... two years after the launch of its successor.
I would say that's pretty good, wouldn't you?
Meanwhile, XBOX releases for 2008 I think is 0. And pretty close for the Gamecube as well.
Great support? Like some huge ad campaign and billboards and AAA projects? Get real. Sony hasn't abandoned the PS2 though. They are still moderately pushing it to consumers. We continue to hear rumbles of new SKU's or a new price point to push it further. On the software front, Size Matters, was released this year.skinnyrattler said:
Just to be clear my comments about "great effort" and so fourth were meant to be applied to the PS3 and looking ahead to how it will survive when the PS4 is released.
Uhhh... wtf do you want? Sony is supporting the PS2. What's MS done for Xbox lately? What about Nintendo and the GCN? They have two other consoles to divide their attention between and the PS2 is the oldest and likely at the bottom of their priority list. The fact still remains that they are supporting it with moderate advertising, new SKU's, software, and possibly new accessories.ElFly said:
Graphics Horse
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Oblivion said:...and they stopped supporting it because it wasn't selling much to begin with.
They stopped supporting it because it didn't make any financial sense to support it, I thought this was common knowledge around these parts.
That's why I said in my original post I don't think we know enough to say what will happen with PS3 support when the PS4 is released. Sony has a history of supporting its consoles, but they have also been hugely successful even after its successor is released. Would Sony continue the trend with a console that is much less successful?Oblivion said:...and they stopped supporting it because it wasn't selling much to begin with.
Anyway, all this doesn't change the fact that Sony still supports the PS2 (in contrast to MS and Nintendo) which I thought was the point I was currently arguing.
brain_stew
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cw_sasuke said:
Considering that machine would probably be bested by any generic Dell machine in 2011, yes its quite a step down from what the PS3 offered at launch compared to the available hardware.
Mr.Potato Head
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:lolGbeav said:
Mr.Potato Head
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:lol yeah..blockbuster title after blockbuster title... get realandydumi said:
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
These are the specs for PSP 2!!!!!!!!!!!
Not really but itd be sweet as.
Not really but itd be sweet as.
Sony is most likely going to go the most advanced tech route once more when next-gen hits, anyway. Unless they have learned from the industry on how Nintendo has done it with Wii. If they did, then I think twice the power of the PS3 is still pretty damn powerful.
Relax, you don't want budgets spiraling out of control and games taking longer to make. There's a time for that. PS3 should really be a viable platform at least until 2013 or something.
Relax, you don't want budgets spiraling out of control and games taking longer to make. There's a time for that. PS3 should really be a viable platform at least until 2013 or something.
That's where the uncertainty comes from. Of course they are in it for the money, but where it seems everyone else is content to cut and run, start the next gen, abandon the old and begin anew, Sony has shown a willingness to squeeze every drop of marketability from an old platform. Exactly how bad would things have to be at the end of this gen for Sony to ignore PS3's install base, the cheaper parts, and lower cost of manufacturing?Oblivion said:Of course not.
Sorry, just to make sure we're distinguishing the need to support a system, as opposed to simply wanting to do so just cause they're swell folks.
Bill Squabber
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Mercs 2, Madden, and GH of the top of my head.Mr.Potato Head said:
GoW:CoP is inevitably coming too even though its a psp port.
Bill Squabber
Member
That article is ridiculous.
Those PS4 specs aint gonna happen.
Polyphony wont let them do it.
Those PS4 specs aint gonna happen.
Polyphony wont let them do it.
RurouniZel
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A follow up to my previous post, because the irony is ever so delicious.
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UntoldDreams
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Umm...
This is a speculative article at best and it clearly says so.
Didn't you guys bother to read it?
This is a speculative article at best and it clearly says so.
Didn't you guys bother to read it?
UntoldDreams
Member
Crayon said:
Interesting. How do people who don't like to read manage to post on computer forums?
Poimandres
Member
If the PS4 is only incrementally more powerful than the PS3 I will be extremely disappointed.
People saying that they would be satisfied with a relatively small increases in power... really? We're knocking on the door of photo realistic graphics, but we still need at least one more generation of hardware (with a decent increase in power) to truly get there. Even today games are somewhat limited in scope by hardware constraints- see frame rate issues or reduced texture quality in open world games. If these things are evident today, they will be glaringly obvious in a few years time.
What I really want the next gen machines to incorporate is more RAM. This is something they always seem to skimp on.
People saying that they would be satisfied with a relatively small increases in power... really? We're knocking on the door of photo realistic graphics, but we still need at least one more generation of hardware (with a decent increase in power) to truly get there. Even today games are somewhat limited in scope by hardware constraints- see frame rate issues or reduced texture quality in open world games. If these things are evident today, they will be glaringly obvious in a few years time.
What I really want the next gen machines to incorporate is more RAM. This is something they always seem to skimp on.
Mr. Wonderful
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Why would they go from XDR RAM to DDR3... ...In 2011...
No really. Somebody please tell me.
No really. Somebody please tell me.
BobsRevenge said:
Even IF the article turns out to be 100% true, it only really talks about the CPU power.
Assuming PS4 gets what could be concidered a decent graphics chip/GPU by 2011 standards, it should allow for dramatically better visual/graphical output than what PS3 offers.
Then there's RAM, memory bandwidth, and other things that the article does not mention.
Poimandres said:
I agree with what you're saying about being disappointed if PS4 is only a small increase.
However even a significant increase (5-10x) or large increase (30x) will not bring us to anywhere near the capability of photorealistic graphics. Even the highest-end, most expensive, best-produced offline CG isnt photorealistic yet.
Realtime game graphics have a long way to go before they're even on par with average offline CG. It'll take at least a 10x increase over 360/PS3 graphics to even start to approach good quality CG-like graphics in realtime.
The whole discussion reminds me of that scary movie scene, when the teenagers, after hitting the man, start discussing the best way to get rid of him while he was byusy shouting I'm ok...
Everybody acts like if this was a sort of confirmation of things to come while it's been cleared ouyt that the specs part is a work of conjecture by Goto. PS4 will pursue Sony philosophy of launching powerful machines...why not ? They could very well be able to release an incredibly performing machine without bleeding that much this time around : Some tweaks to the Cell, with a beefy version made of a LOT of SPUs; a BR already available...They'll be left with the GPU side. The bulk of R&D for the first two components is gone. Not to forget that developers will be more comfortable with the architecture this time around.
Many people talked about the budgets getting astronomical, that's true. But I doubt it's the technical aspects that cost much more (though they've increased). It's the artistic aspects, the pre-production...things get more ambitious. And why would anybody mention us hitting a technological wall : I'll be very happy if the next generation rivals Toy Story's graphics without sacrificing neither framerate nor physics...and I truly doubt it.
Everybody acts like if this was a sort of confirmation of things to come while it's been cleared ouyt that the specs part is a work of conjecture by Goto. PS4 will pursue Sony philosophy of launching powerful machines...why not ? They could very well be able to release an incredibly performing machine without bleeding that much this time around : Some tweaks to the Cell, with a beefy version made of a LOT of SPUs; a BR already available...They'll be left with the GPU side. The bulk of R&D for the first two components is gone. Not to forget that developers will be more comfortable with the architecture this time around.
Many people talked about the budgets getting astronomical, that's true. But I doubt it's the technical aspects that cost much more (though they've increased). It's the artistic aspects, the pre-production...things get more ambitious. And why would anybody mention us hitting a technological wall : I'll be very happy if the next generation rivals Toy Story's graphics without sacrificing neither framerate nor physics...and I truly doubt it.
Poimandres
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camineet said:
Unfortunately, I think you are right.
For truly photo realistic graphics it will likely take at least another decade. Even when we reach photo realism, the amazing computational power needed will limit the applicability of such graphics in games.
Sigh.
Psychotext
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I think they will... but as for why not? Try losing more on the PS3 than they made during the entire PS2 lifetime (not to mention any profits they may have made with the PSP as well).Pistolero said:
Poimandres said:
I don't think we will see photoreal realtime game graphics, even in a decade. Maybe in offline pre-rendered CGI for high budget movies, but not games.
In 10-12 years, with Xbox4 & PS5, we would be lucky to get Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, in realtime, and that wasn't photorealistic.
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