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RUMOR: NX more powerful than PS4, Splatoon/Mario Maker ports in development

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javadoze

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The investors meeting can't come fast enough. Even if it's just a vague "wait until E3", at least it'll be something solid to look forward to.
 

Dystify

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The thread was nice to pass some time before the real reveal... I'm already excited to see everyone's reactions when the real deal is shown later this year!
 

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I of course realize it won't run at idle all the time, but I don't know what it power consumption might be if it was drastically cut down and downclocked.

And again, I've said several times I'm just speculating based on the fiji comment from 10ks source, but if you feel like shitting on me, go ahead.
I'm not shitting on you. I'm questioning the logic that has been entertained by gaffers in this thread that a semi-custom design would be somehow a mixture of Polaris (which is a synonym for GCN 1.3) and Fiji (which are certain top-of-the-line GCN 1.2 chips). You just happen to be entertaining that logic, so I'm trying to push you (and perhaps other proponents of the idea) to rethink the rationale. I mean, there are goddamned GCN 1.2 GPUs in APUs. Why Fiji - a top-of-the-line, stand-alone GPU that starts at 175W (at load)? Just so that we can "cut it down" and still "2x" a ps4? This is a typical investigative mistake - starting from the desired results and backtracking to the rationale. The rationale is often far from 'rational' under such circumstances.
 
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I don't think we know nothing. While we don't have confirmation. I think it's safe to assume Madden, FIFA, and NBA will be there. I was under the impression that the leagues required the software makers to release at least one version on each home console per their agreement.

I may be wrong, so don't kill me on here. First time poster, long time lurker.
 

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It's still possible that he could be right on Luigi's Mansion 3.

Luigi's Mansion 3 has been rumored before tho, so who knows if 10k didn't just grab those old rumors and used them as "sources", just like he did with ZhugeEX's tweet. It's all very wishy washy at this point.
 

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I'm torn between what I think the gimmick is. I think it's either:

A) Haptic feedback and vitality sensor holsters built into the controller

or

B) The TV attachment that made things appear to onlookers to project out of a 2D screen that Nintendo patented a while back.
 

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I thought it was kind of obvious he was hitting up random journos/people on Twitter. At least that's how I had considered these rumors. Probably should have been more up front with his information collection process.
 

NateDrake

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Luigi's Mansion 3 has been rumored before tho, so who knows if 10k didn't just grab those old rumors and used them as "sources", just like he did with ZhugeEX's tweet. It's all very wishy washy at this point.

Using ZhugeEX's tweet as information was certainly silly. We have discussed the likelihood of a Holiday US/Spring Japan release for the console numerous times on this forum. It wasn't some revelation that Zhuge came up with.
 

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What if the supplementary computing device is the NX "home" console and it allows the controller to offload processing?
 

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The one thing that's actually interesting out of all this to me is that apparently only one of his sources is a dev. The others are all journos. Terrible ratio, not something I'd have created numbered tiers out of. I would have hoped he had been able to get more info from actual developers.

I thought it was kind of obvious he was hitting up random journos/people on Twitter. At least that's how I had considered these rumors. Probably should have been more up front with his information collection process.

Yeah, this. I'm just surprised this isn't what everyone was assuming
 

MK_768

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Ouch. 10k should have been more honest about where he was getting his information.

He should've never came forward with it. I mean I've heard 1 or 2 things but I'm keeping it to myself cause I'm not getting caught up in this nonsense haha.

Too much effort and too much of a headache...especially if things go awry. It's best we take everything with a grain of salt. If Rogers or some other very well known leaker comes around with something then back it a little bit more. For now we should just be excited and hope Nintendo gets this shit right haha.
 

ozfunghi

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I'm not shitting on you. I'm questioning the logic that has been entertained by gaffers in this thread that a semi-custom design would be somehow a mixture of Polaris (which is a synonym for GCN 1.3) and Fiji (which are certain top-of-the-line GCN 1.2 chips). You just happen to be entertaining that logic, so I'm trying to push you (and perhaps other proponents of the idea) to rethink the rationale. I mean, there are goddamned GCN 1.2 GPUs in APUs. Why Fiji - a top-of-the-line, stand-alone GPU that starts at 175W (at load)? Just so that we can "cut it down" and still "2x" a ps4? This is a typical investigative mistake - starting from the desired results and backtracking to the rationale. The rationale is often far from 'rational' under such circumstances.

Ok, so Fiji are only upper-end chips? In that case, it's safe to say that the "source" that claimed a mix of polaris and fiji was completely full of shit, right?
 

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I didn't say that Thraktor told him to change the info for some kind of agenda. I'm just saying that Thraktor is so fascinated by the possibility of Polaris being in NX that he interpreted that info in such way that made the GPU being Polaris the most probable way. And that info was taken over by 10k and then posted as the actual leak.

I don't accuse Thraktor of any intentional wrong doing. In fact confirmation bias is exactly that, something that is happening non intentionally.

Ehh I don't know about Thraktor having confirmation bias about it being polaris, I think he was just speculating the most logical conclusion. He's usually on the lower end of the scale when it comes to what he thinks the NX specs could be, he was just giving his take on 10ks information. Dudes name should be left out of this mess as he's usually pretty objective.
 

bomblord1

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The one thing that's actually interesting out of all this to me is that apparently only one of his sources is a dev. The others are all journos. Terrible ratio, not something I'd have created numbered tiers out of. I would have hoped he had been able to get more info from actual developers.



Yeah, this. I'm just surprised this isn't what everyone was assuming

Literally assumed the same not sure where people were getting anything else. His initial rumor post he said he was just a regular guy who did a little digging.
 

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Hah, this ZhugeX blog post just shut this whole show down. I look forward to the crazy speculation thread for NX 2 where the same crazy fanboys don't learn yet again and get hyped over a few rumours.

Reminds me of Nintendo saying in shareholder meetings that they've learnt from the mistake of having game droughts for GC, Wii, 3DS and Wii U. Rinse and repeat. What a hit.
 

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I feel like nothing in that blog post was unknown to use. Did you guys think he was actually in contact with verified devs?

His first post was saying he attempted to do some personal research and was posting the results of what he heard.

He used the tier system because he wasn't certain any of them were trustworthy and figured that multiple independent sources saying the same thing made it more likely.

There is no need to pass your info through a mod for "verification" if all he was doing was posting other people's twitter rumors. Plus he did indeed claim to be in contact with a dev at least.

It's all a bit confusingly put together. A weird mix of proper "sources" (or perhaps just one supposed source), old rumors, and personal speculation.

He always said he wasn't an insider, true, but he also talked about protecting his sources and not giving them away which implies some kind of "insider" info.

Anyways, I'm not trying to villify 10k or anything. It's just that recent developments have made things a bit awkward and confusing.
 

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Any rumors pointing to what fab they're spinning up for this? Are they using Renesas for the fabs again? Or is Renesas pretty well dead for that, considering...

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1264487

If it's Renasas it could be another frankenarchitecture like the Wii U where the fabrication process size the architecture usually shipped with isn't the combination used in the NX.

Or will they just be using TSMC/GloFo/Maybe Samsung like normal people this time.

I doubt it's Renesas. AMD is probably making a push for GloFlo, but TSMC is more likely if it's 28nm.
 

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Thanks for the amazing thread 10k, can't help it; I'm becoming a bit of a fan. What a fun ride it was. Can't wait for the next technical speculation thread.
 

NateDrake

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He should've never came forward with it. I mean I've heard 1 or 2 things but I'm keeping it to myself cause I'm not getting caught up in this nonsense haha.

Too much effort and too much of a headache...especially if things go awry. It's best we take everything with a grain of salt. If Rogers or some other very well known leaker comes around with something then back it a little bit more. For now we should just be excited and hope Nintendo gets this shit right haha.

That's my approach when it comes to such stuff. I shared that I had heard the Wii U => NX ports once things started to be discussed. Beyond that, I never share what I hear early because I rather people learn of it in a conference instead of a leak.
 

Cidd

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Nintendo GAF got played like a fiddle again, Why do you keep doing this to yourselves?


Just wait for E3.
 

Vena

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Ok, so Fiji are only upper-end chips? In that case, it's safe to say that the "source" that claimed a mix of polaris and fiji was completely full of shit, right?

If you want GCN 1.2, you can use the much more reasonable (and already in APUs) Tonga.
 

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From 10k's Twitter

Soo yeah, I'd say seems he was having his chained pulled based what appears to be a complete lack of verification (as well as him saying some of his sources "ran away") Though he did get the 4 NX ports corroborated at the least...

Ah...does this tweet indicate that for sure? Has he said as much? I was under the impression at the least all T2 and up rumors he was standing by, and that he hasn't rebuked any of his rumors.
 

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IN CONCLUSION

We know (from Emily) that the NX specs are "good".
We know (from LCGeek) that the CPU is NX >>> XBO >> PS4

That is all.
 

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Zhuge is banned from GAF as far as I know, so I don't see why people are calling for 10K's head based on whatever he says.

What did he do to get banned? Do you know?

Nintendo GAF got played like a fiddle again, Why do you keep doing this to yourselves?


Just wait for E3.

1. waiting is hard.
2. Speculation is fun. I take all rumors w/ a grain of salt, but it's fun to speculate about what it means *if* they're true. Nothing I say or discuss assumes the rumors are true.
 

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I still don't think we'll have to wait until E3 for our hardware reveal. On top of the potential for Nintendo to get overshadowed by the competition, they'd also have to cram a lot into one E3 presentation (regardless of which format they choose). Doing a hardware reveal ahead of E3 would allow for E3 to be about the games.
 

Vena

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IN CONCLUSION

We know (from Emily) that the NX specs are "good".
We know (from LCGeek) that the CPU is NX >>> XBO >> PS4

That is all.

Nah, we have IndieGamerGirl with NX > PS4 on the whole package, iirc, and no one has shot that down either.

We have three credible points that have not been challenged, I summed them up before in my long-winded post.
 

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I'm not shitting on you. I'm questioning the logic that has been entertained by gaffers in this thread that a semi-custom design would be somehow a mixture of Polaris (which is a synonym for GCN 1.3) and Fiji (which are certain top-of-the-line GCN 1.2 chips). You just happen to be entertaining that logic, so I'm trying to push you (and perhaps other proponents of the idea) to rethink the rationale. I mean, there are goddamned GCN 1.2 in APUs. Why Fiji - a top-of-the-line, stand-alone GPU that starts at 175W (at load)? Just so that we can "cut it down" and still "2x" a ps4? This is a typical investigative mistake - starting from the desired results and backtracking to the rationale. The rationale is often far from 'rational' under such circumstances.

I got ya. I don't the think the NX will actually have a Fiji part, but weren't the wii u target specs much higher than what was eventually released as well? I don't necessarily think it's out of the question that the SDK has recently had some sort of fiji target specs, which lines up with the WSJ report on industry leading chips.

But again, I don't think fiji is at all likely, just speculating based on the fiji comments. More likely we are looking at some sort of Apu related to what's used with jaguar cpu cores in the ps4/xbox, or maybe something tonga related.
 
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I still don't think we'll have to wait until E3 for our hardware reveal. On top of the potential for Nintendo to get overshadowed by the competition, they'd also have to cram a lot into one E3 presentation (regardless of which format they choose). Doing a hardware reveal ahead of E3 would allow for E3 to be about the games.

Nintendo will show off the NX hardware in a Direct whenever they are supposed to have their presentation.

Then there will be playable games for the system on the show floor.

So basically, we will hear about the NX at E3 :p
 

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An update from the blog

EDIT: One other thing I wanted to post is that after my conversation with 10k, he told me the only reason he posted the info from my tweet on NeoGAF was because I had told him it was from a reliable source in Japan. But the thing is, I told him that AFTER he had posted the tweet on NeoGAF and after I confronted him via DM on Twitter.

You may realise that it would be impossible for 10k to know where that rumour was from at the time he posted it because he never asked me.
 

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The big Nintendo fanboy that I am I so want these rumors to be true. But with every new page of this thread I start to get a sadistic thrill at the thought of the aftermath of this thread if/when Nintendo disappoints.
 

Malus

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Nah, we have IndieGamerGirl with NX > PS4 on the whole package, iirc, and no one has shot that down either.

And we have WSJ's "industry leading chips" for whatever it's worth. Also some of the negative sounding rumors from Tamaki, comic artist guys, and Thomas Mahler.
 
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