BF1 is a 30-50FPS game through and through and hovers around 40 something a LOT of time especially on PS4, it's only on Pro that you even get an overall average of 50 something. It has no consistency and it also has more input latency despite running at higher framerate than Destiny.
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Destiny 2 is 30 fps on consoles, uncapped on PC
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I don't think anyone should be holding up Battleborn of all games as a good argument for any point in terms of what is and is not acceptable in the current games market.
OdysseusVA
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Im still amazed at the people who can't see the difference between 30 and 60 fps
It holds up pretty well on the Pro.
molnizzle
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Nah dude. I just gave you a reason why it could be the case when you said you doubted it was the case. The entire point is that we don't really know. You just seem to be a console warrior trying to stroke a sales boner.
That's why nintendo games are made primarily in 60fps and the very companies who put gpus in the consoles you're arguing about don't earn millions of dollars in the pc realm giving people the performance they clearly do want from what we can track.
Maybe it's time you put down your own tired argument. Consumers and companies have spoken it's clearly a mixed bag. Maybe companies should take it on the chin when they make dumb decisions instead of a engine more friendly to scaling to 60fps.
Are you amazed at color blindness? Not all eyes are equal certainly not when it comes to detecting motion let alone the speed by which you see it.
chronic_archaic
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First game was almost unhackable on Xbox 360 or PS3 - the game had insane server side checks for anything malformed every account would get banned within hours.
I thought that at first too, but wouldn't it be surprising to see them have different framerates on consoles? Then again, this wasn't a PVP mode they were playing.
Perhaps there's hope the framerate will be higher at 1080p...nah. Not gonna get my hopes up.
Edit: Apparently there was PVP stuff as well.
I wish I was one of them, just spent half a grand on a 165hz monitor. It's a sickness.
Psychoward
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MP shooter games that are 60fps in PvP on consoles this gen:
Battlefield 4
Battlefield Hardline
Battlefield 1
Rainbow Six: Siege
Call of Duty: Ghosts
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
Call of Duty: Black Ops 3
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
Call of Duty WW2
Titanfall 2
Overwatch
Uncharted 4
Gears of War 4
DOOM
Star Wars Battlefront
Star Wars Battlefront 2
Halo 5
Multiplayer shooters in this gen that aren't 60 FPS in PvP:
Planetside 2 (a free to play shooter with 2000 players on one continent)
Destiny
Destiny 2
Spot the odd one out.
This is on top of being a small, arena based 4v4 shooter with no flying vehicles, no terrain/structure destruction, graphics that while not bad are hardly impressive, an incredibly low FOV with no option to increase it, and shitty tickrate from a multi-billion dollar publisher and an extremely successful first game (profit-wise). The game also isn't cross-gen anymore and by all accounts doesn't have the troubled development history that the first game had.
There is zero excuse for the Crucible to not be 60fps in Destiny 2. None.
This is exactly right.
Even when Destiny 1 came out there was grumbling about the 30 fps lock, which compared to stuff like BF4 seemed counter-intuitively low.
And things are different now. The context is different. The competition is different.
Better.
If Halo can be 60 fps, Destiny 2 should be 60 fps.
If Battlefront can be 60 fps, Destiny 2 should be 60 fps.
If BF1 can be 60 fps, Destiny 2 should be 60 fps.
Shit, based on visuals I'd argue that if Horizon can be 30 fps, Destiny 2 should be 60 fps.
There aren't really many sub-60 multiplayer shooters left, and that's not an accident.
I consider them lucky af.
Night & day difference for me. Even same for gsync 60 vs regular vsync 60. Damn this sensitivity.
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Yea, most likely completely wrong. For now, assume 30fps on consoles since that's far more likely.
Booker Dewitt
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A bungie made console game running at 30fps, weird...
For as weird as their tech got last gen, they were always pretty set on 30fps.
For as weird as their tech got last gen, they were always pretty set on 30fps.
I wondered if someone would be tedious enough to jump on the mention of Battleborn but despite being a flop they optimised their game post-launch to offer 60fps because that's the standard for console FPS. Bungie could learn from that.
Primethius
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Okay. "Console warrior."
It really does suck when sales and facts get in the way of conjecture.
Keep trying though.
Those BF games aim for 60fps but don't really hit it very often.
SRTtoZ
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Exactly. Scorpio version will probably be really nice though.
Well said.
Neuromancer
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Fine with me. The human eye is incapable of seeing anything over 30fps anyway. Beefy rigs are just wasting processing power that could be better used towards motion blur or chromatic abboration.
Nice post. I agree.
Psychoward
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They do in their smaller modes though (which is still a higher playercount than Destiny's max along with destruction lol).
molnizzle
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SirMossyBloke
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So, multiplayer only then like I said.
30fps is still the standard on consoles for FPS, most of the story missions are at 30fps.
YuriLowell
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So what's this rumor about the PC version not being day and date?
Lololololol! I needed this
Psychoward
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...Destiny has PvP completely instanced off from its story and overworld.
Because people buy games solely based on framerate rather than how much fun they are to play right. I said it doesn't matter as much as people like you make it out to, because it very clearly doesn't, and if it did, no one would make any game at 30 anymore because they wouldn't sell. Yet they do, because it is really not that big of a deal
SlimySnake
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Pretty inexcusable. Especially for a 4v4 shooter. Bf1, Titanfall, doom, cod, battlefront, rainbow six are all 60 fps and boast higher play counts, bigger maps and even destruction. Sure bf1 has dips into the 30s but the average isn't bad especially on the pro which feels and plays like a 60 fps game.
This tells me that they are still using their legacy engine and still haven't optimised it for next gen consoles. Very disappointing. The graphics look great but nothing compared to battlefield Abd battlefront which run at 60 fps.
Bungie Fucked up. Plain and simple.
This tells me that they are still using their legacy engine and still haven't optimised it for next gen consoles. Very disappointing. The graphics look great but nothing compared to battlefield Abd battlefront which run at 60 fps.
Bungie Fucked up. Plain and simple.
SirMossyBloke
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Definitely sucks for sure.
Just bear in mind this all started because I quoted someone who said "30fps for consoles in 2017 is a joke". Nothing about multiplayer.
molnizzle
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The only games on that list with 30fps story missions are Uncharted 4 and Gears 4. Third person shooters. All of the actual FPS games on the list are 60fps everywhere.
Toggle in last of us remastered between 30fps and 60fps, there is actually a significant difference.
A lot of good running at 60 did that game as opposed to being fun to play, huh?
They're pretty solid when running anything with fewer than 40 players.
So, you know, considering the playercounts we are comparing to, I still think that's pretty fair.
SirMossyBloke
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That's only because he missed out the tons of games that are single player only.
The press releases don't explicitly state it's coming out in the same day and the Battle.net press release is also cagey. I suspect they're not sure if they will need a short delay to finish everything yet.
Exactly. it's not a big deal, Would I like it 60 FPS? Absolutely but either way the game looks great.
Psychoward
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oh yeah I forgot DOOM was 60fps in sp, that game is a technical marvel
Yeah that's true, I just took it to mean that he meant for shooters in pvp cause that's what the discussion was focusing on. Plenty of console games are still 30fps or lower.
molnizzle
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He was obviously talking about shooters.
SirMossyBloke
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I know, and there's plenty of single player only shooters.
molnizzle
Member
Is Destiny a single player game now?
I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
He's trying to say, stop undermining my nonsense argument!
Yes it's a lot more fun to play now that it's 60fps, the standard frame rate for FPS on console this generation.
When you put it like that, it does seem that Bungie should've targeted 60fps for Destiny 2 across the board from the get-go. Unless the game is running some voodoo magic bells & whistles with the best AI seen in a video game on consoles which didn't look like it from the recent gameplay reveal.
SirMossyBloke
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He said 30fps on consoles is a joke in 2017, literally just disagreeing with that.
Diablohead
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This is a joke right?
He made it pretty obvious!
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