What was actually said: Some devs I've spoken to are happy with the new Xbox development environment, others aren't as happy because it's different from current gen environment.
What Sony fans think was said: PS5 is universally easier to develop for, will be the primary console with Xbox getting ports and Microsoft are going to exit the video game market and sell off their IPs to Sony at which point I'll pretend I always liked them.
There is simply no doubt that the XSX on paper, the more powerful machine. However again, speaking to developers the development environment they are dealing with some people seem to be extremely happy with it, other people are having problems with it because they've moved away from what was previously the XDK which was specific for the Xbox to the GDK which is a more general environment for PC and for Xbox and even Xbox one is encompassed by the GDK
That's strange because .Net environment is great. Way better than competition.Alright sorry, that I did not read it properly. I can see that if I look at MS SDK in Windows, it's a mess.
I don't agree, QT for example is far better for UI type apps. If you re using .net for anything else, then fine. I guess.That's strange because .Net environment is great. Way better than competition.
Read it for eactly what was said
In context, its setting up why the paper specs and TF will not perform any better.
Getting his excuses lined up ready.
but it seems they have the upper hand in being the lead console for multiplatforms, because of it
How many of those "things" were developed by a studio that was not first-party?PS3 was hell for most devs yet there’s things on the platform which perfectly hold up a decade later.
It look like Xbox will leave some performance on the table.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. Any dev that have worked with PC has dealt with these supposed issues and I have never seen one complaining about how many pc builds are out there.
WinForms are mess that's true (but they are mess no mater what language or environment you use), but I actually really like WPF.I don't agree, QT for example is far better for UI type apps. If you re using .net for anything else, then fine. I guess.
It look like Xbox will leave some performance on the table.
Read it for eactly what was said
In context, its setting up why the paper specs and TF will not perform any better.
Getting his excuses lined up ready.
Yeah well I have an experience with it also and I still prefer nature of QT. To prove my point, I love how UI is handled on Android and hated how it's done on iOS, I guess it's a style, which reminds me of WPF.WinForms are mess that's true (but they are mess no mater what language or environment you use), but I actually really like WPF.
Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.
It's at the end of a 40 minute video in which he's said many times he expects the XBX to out-perform the PS5 eventually, software optimization dependent, but that that differences between the two until then will be absolutely minimal and closer than ever before.
If you want to read a handful of devs adapting to a changing environment as excuse making on Richard's part, then I don't know what to tell you. Your post history doesn't inspire me with confidence that you're making this baseless assertion in good faith, however.
You already know it, Sony has blown their load. I have a feeling Microsoft had quite a few things on the back burner just waiting for them to exhaust themselves.I wonder if we'll get another Series X showcase before launch
You already know it, Sony has blown their load. I have a feeling Microsoft had quite a few things on the back burner just waiting for them to exhaust themselves.
I am not sure XSX will be the third parties lead platform although some games will look better on it (by some amount, maybe small) and there should be areas where PS5 would look better... this is not an Xbox One X vs PS4 Pro scenario where one console is more powerful/better in 99.8% of the comparison points.
Your feelings are wrong. Search them you know this to be true. What MS showed was about 2 years out already. What they gonna show? Games 3 years out with CGI trailers? It's Sony who've got games they've kept back.You already know it, Sony has blown their load. I have a feeling Microsoft had quite a few things on the back burner just waiting for them to exhaust themselves.
Your feelings are wrong. Search them you know this to be true. What MS showed was about 2 years out already. What they gonna show? Games 3 years out with CGI trailers? It's Sony who've got games they've kept back.
This doesn’t make any sense at all. Any dev that have worked with PC has dealt with these supposed issues and I have never seen one complaining about how many pc builds are out there.
It was more about why the 12TF is a paper spec and might not be exploited in real-world scenarios. The expectation that a close environment hardware would yield to optimization and performance will be hampered by the generic development kit and api.
PS3 also had the best devs and if a developer understood and could program for Cell properly, then 360 could not compete......That's why Sony first party was consistently more impressive over MS first party in that era...Still, being more difficult to develop on doesn’t mean much.
PS3 was hell for most devs yet there’s things on the platform which perfectly hold up a decade later. We’ll see insane shit on Series X.
The XBOX ONE had ESRAM, slower memory, had a weaker GPU. The extra 175Mhz on the CPU was to process a 3 prong OS or MS's hypervisor, it also had to feed the kinect......MS released all of that and next to PS4 XBOX ONE still has to cut off many effects and settings besides resolution in the latest titles. Just look at a bevy of comparisons in the last few years.....Soul Calibur, Ace Combat, Monster Hunter etc etc......Had MS kept Kinect and all of the OS footprint going, XBOX ONE's performance would be even worse than it is right now, if you can imagine it....People said the same thing about the Xbox One.
No. nobody ever said DF are all lies. They just say many untruths, even some of their data which is supposed to be objective and factual is not correct.....That's the issue people have with DF...DF words are only true when it holds Sony in a positive light. So many hypocrites on GAF these days. Not even worth engaging in these echo chambers.
You should have been there in the PS3 era, we said the same thing about PS3, which was proven true. Gabe from steam hated PS3, but still pulled off the best versions of Portal on there. Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Poliphony Digital, Insomniac, San Diego, Evolution Studios, Sucker Punch still pulled out the best visuals for that generation......Developers should stop complaining and get to work.
Don't embarrass yourselves like this.
Oh my god there are some new features in my development environment, MS sucks ! Sony rules, nothing as changed at all, so I don't have to use my brain !
In a new report from Digital Foundry, the Microsoft owned studio was able to get Gears 5 running on the Series X at ultra-settings in just two weeks' time. While that quick turnaround was likely due to the game having a PC port available, it does show how much more accomodating the Series X will be to develop for. Nothing too strenuous was required on the part of the development team.
A game pushing PS5 to its limits by Naughty Dog. Can't wait for that.Great news. If partners are satisfied, can't imagine first party teams. Once again devs can get around the boundaries of a closed system. Can't wait for their competition in PS5.
Isn’t this the same person people here were calling a MS shill for getting early access to the Series S?
DF words are only true when it holds Sony in a positive light. So many hypocrites on GAF these days. Not even worth engaging in these echo chambers.
Isn’t he just coming up with excuses for why PS5 is outperforming XSX? That’s still shill material.
Some POS software exclusively in C# + SQL.Yeah well I have an experience with it also and I still prefer nature of QT. To prove my point, I love how UI is handled on Android and hated how it's done on iOS, I guess it's a style, which reminds me of WPF.
For what type of Application are you using .net? Aand with what language are you making those apps?
Even that would eventually be fixed.Or my take its more likely hungry CUs + abstract apis but I will wait to see XSX 4k performance before I judge, as thats pure speculation..
You already know it, Sony has blown their load. I have a feeling Microsoft had quite a few things on the back burner just waiting for them to exhaust themselves.
DF geting their excuses ready when ps games look same or god forbid better.
Its more than about apis and TF, you need to keep those large XSX shader arrays fed.
And Ray tracing is memory intensive, not just RAM< but also caches and cache bus speed.
Lets wait for a comparison, Richard getting his story ready.....
MSSQL sucks ass. I don't like it. Honestly I haven't use it since high school, but based on flexibility alone MySQl or any other db system is better.Some POS software exclusively in C# + SQL.
Read it for eactly what was said
In context, its setting up why the paper specs and TF will not perform any better.
Getting his excuses lined up ready.
We saw XSX footage of Halo Infinite. Looked way better than crossgen PS5 games like Miles Morales or Horizon 2, showcasing the teraflops lead.Let's have a conversation about it. Is this why we have not seen XSX footage yet?
As I remember it's also 66% less powerful than Series X (4 vs 12 tf). It's a pretty big difference, way more than the one saved from rendering a game in 1440p vs 4K and getting the same results. I think games won't look as good as when using a Series X on a 1080p or 1440p display. And then you also have the smaller SSD.The biggest issue with Series S is gimped RAM. Otherwise it could have been the masterstroke by MS.
We saw XSX footage of Halo Infinite. Looked way better than crossgen PS5 games like Miles Morales or Horizon 2, showcasing the teraflops lead.
Just kidding, please don't kill me
It is the same guy who lied about 3080 performance in 'exclusive preview'.Isn’t this the same person people here were calling a MS shill for getting early access to the Series S?
What? So is it real that they still didn't show gameplay of a Series X game? It can't be possible, we're 2 months away of the release. I assume some of these games shown in their Xbox showcase videos must be running on a Series X.It was actually running on PC.
What? You don't need a dev kit to develop PC games. Devkits are only needed to develop console games.Shouldn't devs be happy that MS provides them with one dev kit for both console and PC now? They should think long-term, that's pretty cool for them.
Of course I hope that PS5 becomes the lead dev platform jfl.
What? So is it real that they still didn't show gameplay of a Series X game? It can't be possible, we're 2 months away of the release. I assume some of these games shown in their Xbox showcase videos must be running on a Series X.
I meant SDK sorry.What? So is it real that they still didn't show gameplay of a Series X game? It can't be possible, we're 2 months away of the release. I assume some of these games shown in their Xbox showcase videos must be running on a Series X.
What? You don't need a dev kit to develop PC games. Devkits are only needed to develop console games.
We saw XSX footage of Halo Infinite. Looked way better than crossgen PS5 games like Miles Morales or Horizon 2, showcasing the teraflops lead.
It was actually running on PC. It's hardly concern trolling at this point. We are two months off and I think we've seen just cross gen and indie titles on XSX
Believe me. There are db systems way worse than MSSQL. Porting apps from MSSQL to SQLite is pure fun. If you are masochist.MSSQL sucks ass. I don't like it. Honestly I haven't use it since high school, but based on flexibility alone MySQl or any other db system is better.
What? So is it real that they still didn't show gameplay of a Series X game? It can't be possible, we're 2 months away of the release. I assume some of these games shown in their Xbox showcase videos must be running on a Series X.