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[Digital Foundry] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Switch vs. 3DS/Wii U Comparison
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"Just don't understand"? Do you have a problem reading or something? It's been explained several times why it makes perfect sense to compare the two.
Replace it with "I don't agree because of xxx reason" next time, ok?
The world doesn't revolve around you. It's a general response to what is going on in this thread.
Please refer to my avatar for further advice.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Wait it comes out tomorrow??!?
I'd just like a good reason why it's strange whilst those two other comparisons (and the few I couldn't be bothered to find) are not? I'm not implying that you're wanting to make the Switch look bad, but I'm just wanting to know why, all of a sudden, DF doing their job is considered something that needs to be discussed.
No it's next Friday. But maybe that poster is such a big Nintendo fan that he or she gets it a week early.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
No way not from Target
Er, next Friday.
Your post saved me from going making a pointless trip tomorrow. I thought it was this Friday all week. Haha.
Reggie is delivering it personally to that Target just for that poster.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
Uh what's all the snark toward ZeoVGM coming from? The guy had a reasonable opinion and even expressed confusion at other, more hyperbolic responses. Not sure why you guys are so focused on what he said.
I'm very chill. You replied to someone who replied to me dude. You are being way too aggressive here.
Jeez.
CALM DOWN OR WE WILL OPEN FIRE!
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Jubenhimer
Member
Meh, I find AA to be overrated quite honestly.
But I was replying to him, to what he was saying, not to you or your post specifically. My reasoning is that people are attacking DF here because of doing something that was fine in the past. I do think I'm being pretty chill too. Expressing a viewpoint doesn't mean I can't be chill about it.
Yes, I already implied that it was weird to attack DF. It's also weird to think that anyone who remotely questions why they did the comparison wants Switch to look bad.
I was not out of place for believing you grouped me in with that idea considering I was in the conversation chain you replied to -- especially since you then replied aggressively to that as well with the "world doesn't revolve around you" comment.
But I won't be going back and forth on this anymore. It's a silly argument.
Minsc
Gold Member
There's a difference between asking a question, and making an outlandish reaction post to add nothing to the thread. Most of the people "remotely questioning" the comparison were not asking why it was done in a civil way at all.
And it's really not a hard concept to grasp, MK7 to MK8D is a fairly unique situation in the sense this is a direct sequel on a handheld to the previous entry on the former handheld, not some game that has been forgotten for like 15 years and resurrected (which is basically what it looks like happened). From a technical perspective, which is what DF is sorta all about, it's a very gigantic leap for a sequel to take, without going from like handheld to console (Vita to PS4) or something.
Release is next week.
What The Forest Taught Me
Member
This. They are far behind the curve in many ways, and unnecessarily so.
TLZ
Banned
I'm glad after the tons of hours sinked in I never noticed it once.
mullet2000
Member
I'll never understand why people get so upset by some of digital foundry's comparisons.
Like, seriously, they always explain them and their reasoning for them well. Absolutely baffling.
Like, seriously, they always explain them and their reasoning for them well. Absolutely baffling.
plagiarize
Banned
It's improved substantially over the Wii U version at least, even if it isn't what it could have been.
Personally I found the MK7 comparison interesting. Is it the 28th yet?
TLZ
Banned
So many immature and bait posts in this thread from both sides it's unbelievable and almost impossible to have a decent conversation.
I agree (that it's a portable).
I agree (that it's a portable).
Garrett Hawke
Member
I still need to pick up MK7 one day, I've heard it was kind of the groundwork for a lot of the cool stuff in MK8 which I adored back on Wii U - got it in my bundle!
Can't wait to pick this up next week.
the video says everything is the same other than the output resolution, but in the video around 1:45, where they're spinning around Mario in his kart on the start line, it looks like the switch version might have more polygons in the model? At least the tailpipes look noticably rounder on switch than on the WiiU?
polyh3dron
Banned
This video is a much better showcase for the negligible frame rate disparity between the two versions than the previous video posted here a few days back, which showed the Wii U version as a choppy mess that is not the case at all, which probably was the result of a video capture snafu.
Yeah, that video you are referring to ran at a consistent 50 fps, which was really strange.
Nintendo should implement some Quincunx AA
It has a more controllable glider leading to fun advanced tech.
Graphics Horse
Member
Seems so, the rest of the kart looks the same to me but they must have tidied a few things up.
huh, good eye!
they also seem to have polished Mario's posture / arms ever so slightly.
(otherwise the model looks the same - the polycount on his hat, nose and ears, for example)
Jonneh3003
Banned
I can't quite tell if it's rounder because of the lack of jaggies or if it's genuinely rounder. Either way it's a nice improvement/huh, good eye!
they also seem to have polished Mario's posture / arms ever so slightly.
(otherwise the model looks the same - the polycount on his hat, nose and ears, for example)
it's certainly rounder.
Also, the effect would be the other way around. A lower resolution makes things look rounder because it 'masks' those sharp edges / corners a bit.
On the switch, the ears and hat have much more visible "corners" than they do on the Wii U.
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah i'll hop on back on the Nintendo train in a couple of gens, i guess.
Maybe they'll have some more respect for their artists, fans and games by then.
But at 1080P they are less apparent than before, so that's a small plus.
A lack of AA = a lack of respect for their artists, fans and games.
I think I've heard everything.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Always-honest
Banned
In this day and age, yes. That's exactly what it means. It must be hell working there as an artist. Being limited by everything. And in the end seeing your art ruined by jaggies, shit textures and everything else.
It's a shame. These artists and these games deserve better hardware.
Just my opinion of course. Ansd based on it being a home console. It's an awesome Handheld (aside from battery life)
Jonneh3003
Banned
Still looks good to me, especially for a portable system.
Always-honest
Banned
it looks insane on a portable. And it looked pretty damn good on the WiiU too (But compromised by jaggies and bad textures).
Anyway. good that they improved the game where they could. The rock solid 60 fps is great and 1080P is always better than 720P.
And don't get me wrong. I played this games to bits and pieces with my GF and son and i consider it the best Mariokart since mariokart DS. Maybe even the very best.
Neff
Member
I'm sure it's a living nightmare.
If we go by this argument then the only platform where a game can actually get the "respect" it deserves is PC. After all, it must be hell working on a massive AAA game when you know you're going to have to make compromises if you want 60fps or even a stable 30. The CPUs of the PS4, X1, Pro and (probably) Scorpio aren't powerful enough to handle much past a certain point and keep a steady framerate, why aren't you thinking of the poor designers, coders and directors who have to cut down their games in order to get them working on a console? What about VR? Are Sony, Oculus and HTC/Valve disrespecting the artists of VR games because their headsets aren't perfect?
Your opinion ignores the countless other compromises that countless developers have had to make throughout perhaps the entire history of gaming. Unless you do a Star Citizen or Crysis 1 and focus on tech that's not even there yet something's gotta give, and there are far larger compromises than just a lack of AA on a 1080p/60fps game.
wonderful103
Member
You must feel so sorry for naughty dog for having to work on such a limiting platform. If only they could target the high end pc market instead to have respect for their artists, fans and games.
Can you show us these art-ruining jaggies in MK8D? You have the DF shots, pick one.
I'd actually say being a Designer with Nintendo must be so much more rewarding, because those games are much more valued by players for their art direction, character design instead of just raw performance prowess like pixelcounts and whatnot.
I feel like it's a blessing for designers that they're developing for a platform that doesn't take part in the whole 'IQ rat race'.
People are flabbergasted by how beautiful Zelda looks at times, and all that credit doesn't go to the power of the Switch's hardware or the fancy rendering techniques used, but entirely the art design.