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Duck Dynasty's Phil: Black People were happy pre-civil rights era, pre-welfare, etc..
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Arrogant Bastard
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I'm not picking on him. It is called personal responsibility, something his generation has preached endlessly. He needs to take personal responsibility for his statement and not hide behind his religious belief. When I say something daft, which I do on a constant basis I do not attempt to cover myself in a shield. I accept what I did and recognize how my actions effect other people, and then apologize for it...hopefully avoiding the same mistake in the future.
Age, religious belief, political persuasion, etc. are not shields to hide behind. Own your own comments, it is not that difficult.
Again you keep trumpeting this scapegoating homosexuality. I do not expect you to back this up, considering you already made one asinine claim without backing it up; or acknowledging it. Yes, I notice how you just moved on.
We talk about homosexuality and why we do not like it as a country because it is not traditional, e.g. 'We want our country back'.
Big Baybee
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I was scared to go to DS until I was like 19 or 20. My mom was born in 1950 so I heard some.....stories.
I had a chat the other day with some dude who said that he wasn't racist cause he thought black people like being on welfare. Why? Cause he said that he thought they were capable of being much better people and that he's just trying to help encourage that.
Sounds like how the typical Fox News watcher rationalizes his prejudice.
Sounds like how the typical Fox News watcher rationalizes his prejudice.
It's true that homosexuality is barely mentioned in the bible (and it's not even mentioned in broad terms, there's nothing about gay marriage or lesbianism, it's just a bout dudes having butt sex).
But in American politics, homosexuality was a huge deal for the religious right in the US, did you forget all the ballot measures they put in the '04 election?
Did you forget how Kerry was refused communion because he supported equal rights for the the gays?
Homosexuality is not scapegoated, it's a wedge issue that is being used (though its effectiveness is diminished) by the GOP and other right wing groups to rile up voters, and they do it because their main ideology of rolling back the new deal and tax cuts for the rich are not really that popular.
It serve the same purpose as abortion and flag burning.
p.s.
I would love nothing more than seeing more of the religious establishment move toward tackling greed.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Anonymity.
I do love all the ridiculous people misinterpreting freedom of speech/religion though.
I never heard stories about DS, but Livingston proper down the road from there when I was growing up was probably one of the most racist places ever and I hear it still is. I mean hell, the Fair Ground there was built for Klan Rallies. And the stories I hear about it in the 50' and 60's from my parents and others who lived there paint is as one of the most dangerous places one could be in if not white.
Big Baybee
Member
Girl I worked with a while back lived with her black boyfriend in a trailer out there and they would leave notes threatening to kill them, burn down their home, etc.
In DS?
Big Baybee
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Yea this was in DS or Walker I think. She didn't take it seriously but that's still very concerning lol.
I grew up in Walker and I really never noticed much apparent outright racism in it, and I still really do not but obviously being white I might be blinded to all but the most blunt examples. After Katrina demographics shifted a bit in Livingston, and I can tell you that I hear lots of backhanded type comments on that situation from people in the DS area. Honestly though living in DS now, I really do not see many blacks or any other group really, the city is one of the most outright "white" places I have ever seen.
Big Baybee
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I've never actually experienced straight up racism in Louisiana. Only time I was ever called a nigger in my life was in Detroit when I was like 13 by a 50 year old kmart manager lol.
iamaustrian
Member
I hate their camouflage design.
This realtree shit needs to stop. it looks like crap and camouflages you not at all.
I also want to point out that it's required by law to wear a seat belt in Louisiana (even in the "back woods").
fucking idiots
This realtree shit needs to stop. it looks like crap and camouflages you not at all.
I also want to point out that it's required by law to wear a seat belt in Louisiana (even in the "back woods").
fucking idiots
Yeah, I think the most racist place I have ever been to was Minot, ND when I was in the USAF. My wife was asian and they were places that refused to serve us due to that, and I had lots of issues with local stores accusing my black Airman of crimes such as shop-lifting while we were on duty and performing commercial stops, never mind we had a US Marshal with us. Honestly the most racist places I have been to have all been in the North, which is in direct opposition to popular belief.
Aww, yeah. That's what I wanna see. This is the good stuff. A little late but never absent.
GillianSeed79
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Guy is a fucking idiot bigot, but I really wish people could understand the term redneck? There's a difference between a "redneck" and a hillbilly racist dude. I actually admittedly didn't understand the difference until I moved more south. I totally understand why people use the word redneck to label southern racist homophobic dudes because it's the most common term for them? I used to do that. Maybe it's just semantics or the evolution in language, but redneck actually wasn't a negative term back in the day. In fact, I think if you actually met a redneck, you'd actually find that they were okay?
I honestly thought for the longest time redneck meant white racist dudes who wore wife beaters and had a sunburn on the back of their neck.
That's really not the origins of rednecks. They were actually quite liberal.
Then there was also the battle of Blair Mountain?
I totally, I so totally, totally, understand why redneck is a pejorative term and I even use it frequently myself. I'm just kind of bummed that redneck evolved into this all encompassing definition of racist white dudes. Cause honestly, southern GAF might back me up with this, but rednecks are usually the nice white people in the south. The ugh, racist white people in the south, we just call them racists. Like they are racists. We don't call them redneck racists. We just call them racists.
Sorry if I offended anybody or if you think I'm sticking up for rednecks, but, like, this dude? He aint a redneck. He's a racist bigot.
I honestly thought for the longest time redneck meant white racist dudes who wore wife beaters and had a sunburn on the back of their neck.
That's really not the origins of rednecks. They were actually quite liberal.
Then there was also the battle of Blair Mountain?
Fun fact, these guys were tried where I live for treason like John Brown back in the day when he tried incite a slave rebellion.
I totally, I so totally, totally, understand why redneck is a pejorative term and I even use it frequently myself. I'm just kind of bummed that redneck evolved into this all encompassing definition of racist white dudes. Cause honestly, southern GAF might back me up with this, but rednecks are usually the nice white people in the south. The ugh, racist white people in the south, we just call them racists. Like they are racists. We don't call them redneck racists. We just call them racists.
Sorry if I offended anybody or if you think I'm sticking up for rednecks, but, like, this dude? He aint a redneck. He's a racist bigot.
You mean the place where most Afro Americans live?
vas_a_morir
Banned
Yeah, Rednecks were WV socialists, who made it one of their points that if they were going to rise up against the coal companies, they must not discriminate because of race or religion.
Rednecks were proud, despite being poor and uneducated. Today's so-called Rednecks are proud to be poor and uneducated. A subtle, but huge difference.
Velcro Fly
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What he says comes from a place of ignorance. His comments read like someone who honestly doesn't know any better. He can't even imagine why two guys would get together and bases it purely on where you are sticking your dick. It's more than just that. It's just ignorance. And I really doubt he wants to change that.
Problem is you can't call it ignorance without someone calling you ignorant for judging him. So in the end idiots gonna idiot.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
He is not ignorant, he just doesn't care.
Garrett 2U
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A woman I know defended this guy today, pointing out that homosexuality is a sin in the bible.
Fuckin' hell. This kind of bigotry drives me nuts.
Fuckin' hell. This kind of bigotry drives me nuts.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Oh wow a redneck said something ignorant about black people..... I'm shocked.....
Double shock he said something ignorant about homosexuals..... I'm appalled GAF.... Truly appalled....
Double shock he said something ignorant about homosexuals..... I'm appalled GAF.... Truly appalled....
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Everyone loves them a traditional southern hospitality celebrity...
...until they open their mouth and remind everyone what "values" tend to come along with that archetype.
...until they open their mouth and remind everyone what "values" tend to come along with that archetype.
Deified Data
Banned
Yep, that caught my attention, too.
Like he hangs out with blacks now but if he was from finer stock he'd avoid them like the plague? The whole notion of "white trash" is sort of racist in and of itself, and not in the way you'd think. It's a word white people use to describe other white people who they feel shouldn't get to bask in a sense of undeserved superiority.
IpsoFacto
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All the more puzzling since a lot of those southern white folks had plantations in the past.
Discotheque
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Based Oprah.
It's true. And it's so hard lined in their beliefs that many won't change. It dies alongside them, not without them
How is he not ignorant again?
And also how does he not care:
I'd say he cares quite a bit about getting his words out.FoxNews said:
None alive today did lol
What he said was dumb and ignorant as hell, but I do love how people get all upset about this and yet soooo many posts here are generalizing southern people in the same breath.
I really don't think people realize how big of hypocrites they are sometimes. Prejudice abounds everywhere and its only when we start to see that this type of thinking is what causes racism in the first place, will we be able to start actually becoming a far more enlightened society. Pull from the roots otherwise the weed will grow back in some form or another.
I really don't think people realize how big of hypocrites they are sometimes. Prejudice abounds everywhere and its only when we start to see that this type of thinking is what causes racism in the first place, will we be able to start actually becoming a far more enlightened society. Pull from the roots otherwise the weed will grow back in some form or another.
Someone on my Facebook liked a picture of him with a caption saying something like comment if you support Phil.
After removing her as a friend, I dug into the comment. Wow. It's a stern reminder of how many racists/homophobic people are still out there.
"The gays control America and free speech"
Yes that was a comment.
After removing her as a friend, I dug into the comment. Wow. It's a stern reminder of how many racists/homophobic people are still out there.
"The gays control America and free speech"
Yes that was a comment.
That first comment. So... Loving another human being, while not the opposing sex, leads to other things like beastiality. I'm sure just like smoking a little weed on occasion leads to needles in your veins.
Sounds legit.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It is astounding how many supposed LGBT people are on the Duck Dynasty saying 'As a PROUD GAY MAN I SUPPORT PHIL! A&E SUSPEND YOURSELF!!!!'
Thomas_Daly
Banned
black people were happy before they got right ?
gay people should try vagina
this guy I swear , your white trash dude you can hardly talk
disgraceful behaviour
wish all these no talent nobody screw off
gay people should try vagina
this guy I swear , your white trash dude you can hardly talk
disgraceful behaviour
wish all these no talent nobody screw off
It's simply amazing to me what people will post on Facebook, as if they're an anonymous commenter on a newspaper website.
KittenMaster
Member
I wonder what this means for the Duck Dynasty merchandise and toys I always see at stores.
They have their own Chia Pets.
Well, they need to get pissed off at someone today!
Emerson
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Pretty bad stuff he said there, obviously.
I must admit though I laughed at hearing his voice in my head saying some of that stuff, particularly the part about a man's anus being less desirable than a vagina. He's got a pretty funny cadence and way of speaking in general.
But good on A&E for the suspension.
I must admit though I laughed at hearing his voice in my head saying some of that stuff, particularly the part about a man's anus being less desirable than a vagina. He's got a pretty funny cadence and way of speaking in general.
But good on A&E for the suspension.
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