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Ebola in Spain: Nurse 'infected in Madrid' / Man dies of Marburg Virus in Uganda
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The longest Ebola has survived outside of a body is 50ish days and that was during an experiment trying to see how long they could keep it alive.
Normally it survives for 1-2 days if the surface isn't cleaned or anything.
There has still been no cases of someone getting sick from tough a doorknob or anything like that with Ebola.
iamaustrian
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Relaxed Muscle
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And they used level 2 protective suits (using adhesive tape...) instead of the recommended level 4 ones.
This is a royal fuck up and the whole ministery of health should be fired.
could you translate the twitter feed?
Is an image of how they "isolated" the nurse in the Alcorcon Hospital.
iamaustrian
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I just read that austrian authorities picked up a 15 year old refugee in Salzburg(Austria) who fled from Liberia to austria because "his entire family died from Ebola" and because he was afraid of the disease.
He is now under surveillance in the infectiology section of the Salzburg State Hospital.
(The medical staff also stated that they have level 4 suits.
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edit: source (german) and other austrian news outlets
He is now under surveillance in the infectiology section of the Salzburg State Hospital.
(The medical staff also stated that they have level 4 suits.
)edit: source (german) and other austrian news outlets
No, It needed quotes, and well... different words to suggest just tossing someone a power washer to clean up is a bad idea. As in me saying it to you in a joking way. The W.A comment was about what we'd already discussed. Above.
iamaustrian
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welp
looks more like a poorly secured construction site but better than nothing, I guess.
vagabondarts
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We haven't discussed anything above. I haven't posted in this thread. Hence my question.
It's enough. But the shoddy improvised feel of it (really Spain, are you sure you don't have any isolation wards?) doesn't exactly inspire confidence, no argument there.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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Weird, haven't seen it thrown around. My point was just giving a simple example of how easy it is to spread germs and the likelihood of touching something nearby thay may have infected body fluid. All under the case that you're actually within reach of an infected person, of course.
We may have a lot more resources, money and better sanitation conditions in the U.S. than these areas in Africa. But people are still dirty as fuck.
Miss.Selfdestruct
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could you translate the twitter feed?
LOL ... =/
If "this Ebola strain" was "spreading like the flu", West Africa would be wiped out by now and there would be thousands of cases in way more than just 3 countries.
Funky Papa
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We do, but massive cuts to our hospitals have forced the closure of entire floors. Many hospitals are understaffed, underequiped and just plain unable to cope with something like an Ebola scare.
If it feels improvised it's because it was improvised. Nobody was ready to accept those folks, yet the government pushed ahead to appease the religious right, going against the advice of the doctors ignoring the nurses' complains and using protocols less strict than those mandated by the WHO. Moving those people to Spain before they died was more important than implementing an actual plan.
People need to be lined against the wall for this.
LOL... wait a minute....ffs.. I confused Nivash's avatar for your...entire name..? Guess I had Raist on the brain
But I just read a few days ago that a french nurse who was infected with Ebola was healed? Is there a way to be cured of it?
It like any other virus you can recover and be fine, but the chances aren't that great.
It's a virus, if you are strong enough (and are properly attended) to survive the symptoms maybe your body will heal itself.
User Name Here
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Well... They are reporting the suits were two levels lower than what is required to handle such dangerous diseases.
Not only that, the gloves were sealed with duct tape
But didn't they have to touch the suits or at least the gloves with their hands at one point? Maybe she caught it while removing her gloves.
Well hopefully they would have sprayed themselves down with bleach and/or chlorine before they took of their suits.
Not only that, the gloves were sealed with duct tape
That's perfectly normal.
SquiddyCracker
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The panic is probably more dangerous than the virus itself.
/Smartdumb street philosopher.
/Smartdumb street philosopher.
Alcoremortis
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There are techniques for removing gloves without actually at any point touching the outside of the glove with your bare hands.
However... with the duct tape, that would be a lot harder to do.
User Name Here
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Which I'm sure they did. It wouldn't make any sense for them not to disinfect everything after treating the priest.
There must of been a small cut or opening on her uniform that allowed fluid or something to get in.
speculawyer
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Is that blood? That is image is very scary to look at.
So this is how they cared for the priest . . . yet she contracted it somehow?
How?
Pretty sure thats just for transporting him. Having him in something like that for extended periods of time would be horrible.
Very good read on how the firestone corporation handled/handling ebola.
Its weird that they have a town named after them, and there are 80,000 people working in it, that work at the rubber plantation, but...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandso...ernments-have-not-stopped-ebola-in-its-tracks
Its weird that they have a town named after them, and there are 80,000 people working in it, that work at the rubber plantation, but...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandso...ernments-have-not-stopped-ebola-in-its-tracks
GoldenEye 007
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So basically Firestone and an Internet search is clowning some of the western medical response services in Africa.
I know that's not the tone of the article, but that's pretty crazy.
ConfusingJazz
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Well...
Firestone to end latex production in Liberia
However, I am very happy they are able to do it, but there is a matter of scale and money that would be there as opposed to Monrovia. I hope they are able to scale this up for other areas.
maquiladora
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Sounds like they're trying to right the ship. At least they've conducted the contact trace reasonably quickly, let's just hope there aren't any more gen 1 patients apart from the nurse.
#VAMOSAMORIRTODOS (We're All Gonna Die) is Trending topic in Spain right now
Well, in a way they are actually correct. Everyone is going to die. at some point.
Why just the southern european politicians? Why not simply all of them, just to be sure?
Ingueferroque
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If she went on holiday after contracting it.. isn't that like, bad? Potentially? I hope she didn't go swimming.
Funky Papa
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This is a complete disaster. Now that the cat is out of the bag nurses and doctors broke their silence and have been talking to the media, painting a picture of utter chaos and incompetence.
To recap:
The whole situation is a colossal fuck up at so many levels it's a miracle we are not dealing with an actual epidemic. After destroying our healthcare system in the name of austerity, our conservative government wanted to score some points by treating those missionaries against the opinion of the medical authorities and even the army, so they mounted a veritable media circus to bring two dying, highly infectious patients to a hospital that was simply unfilt to deal with Ebola cases, and then tried to silence the critics until everything blew on their faces.
Prision charges for crimes against the public health need to be levied against the minister, hospital administrators and every single high ranking official involved in this mess.
To recap:
- The hospital where the missionaries were treated used to be one of the references in contagious diseases, but it had been completely gutted by budget cuts.
- Nurses and doctors used level 2 suits (like the ones used to treat HIV patients) instead of level 4 suits. The reasons for this are not clear. The staff raised hell about it, but they were told to sod off.
- The hospital has no negative pressure rooms like the ones used to contain any pathogens. Due to the massive budget cuts inflicted on the healthcare budget, there are no operative negative pressure rooms in any Spanish hospital. Research institutions and probably the army have them. It is not clear why the army (which is properly equiped and trained to deal with NBQ emergencies) was not involved.
- The hospital, lauded by the government as one of Europe's most advanced centres for the treatment of contagious diseases, is in such a state of disarray after the cuts that it didn't even have a proper lab to deal with an emergency like this. They quickly had to build a makeshift one that has been described as "laughable" and "toy-like".
- There's a brutal shortage of medical staff in Spain due to budget cuts. This means that the nurses who treated the missionaries were rotated among a number of hospitals instead of remaining there as a precaution. This means that they could have exposed hundreds of patients at other hospitals (although this doesn't seem to be the case, luckily enough).
- Nurses were not properly trained. Many of them received a 45 minutes crash course on Ebola without even using full suits/proper tools and that was it.
- Nurses and doctors angrily complained about the situation and warned the authorities about the risk of spreading the disease instead of curing it; they were told by administrators to suck it up or get fired/sanctioned.
- Protocols were a complete joke. Although the nurse asked to get checked as soon as she noticed that she was suffering from fever, she was ingored in several ocassions because her temperature was below 38.5ºC, despite the fact that the WHO is asking to isolate anybody showing even the smallest discomfort after dealing with Ebola patients.
- Ebola tests were only administered after the nurse began to feel actually sick and insisted on it.
- She went to the Carlos III hospital at first. They denied her a check up, claiming that she was to see her usual doctor instead, making her walk/drive around Madrid. Her doctor told her to scoot off to the hospital, which then accepted her to ER.
- She wasn't isolated from the rest of the patients at the Carlos III hospital upon entrance. Her acceptance to ER and her Ebola tests were conducted in a normal ER booth, separated from the rest of the patients by nothing but folding screens.
The whole situation is a colossal fuck up at so many levels it's a miracle we are not dealing with an actual epidemic. After destroying our healthcare system in the name of austerity, our conservative government wanted to score some points by treating those missionaries against the opinion of the medical authorities and even the army, so they mounted a veritable media circus to bring two dying, highly infectious patients to a hospital that was simply unfilt to deal with Ebola cases, and then tried to silence the critics until everything blew on their faces.
Prision charges for crimes against the public health need to be levied against the minister, hospital administrators and every single high ranking official involved in this mess.
iamaustrian
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why swimming?
it's like peeing in the water. it's there forever now
Let's not forget the Norwegian health worker who got infected in Sierra Lone, and was flown back to Norway this morning. Soo... I guess Norway has Ebola now.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/norwegian-woman-contracts-ebola-in-sierra-leone-1412609567
http://online.wsj.com/articles/norwegian-woman-contracts-ebola-in-sierra-leone-1412609567
intheinbetween
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that's it.
the govt should've sent treatment to Africa instead of moving the infected priest back to Madrid, but you know the govt has to make efforts to keep their voters satisfied (very religious..) so they thought this was a claver idea, when as you said, many experts highly recommended to treat the patient in Africa, but they brought him back to Spain..
I feel ashamed for everything that's happening here. apparently the nurse started to feel sick last sunay so she went to the hospital where the priest was treated and she told them she was infected with ebola for sure, but the doctors sent her back to other hospital where she lives, so she was carrying the infection with her across Madrid.
then I also read that the hospitals don't have a protocol for this case scenario so, they're dealing with it on the run, I mean, apparently the hospital where the nurse is currently hospitalized is also attending other patients, it's a mess.
the health minister should be fired and/or resign, she has no clue about how to manage a crisis like this, plus, I remember she recommended people to pray for they health when they talked about cutting investment in public healthcare.
btw, here are some details for spanish speakers: http://diarioenfermero.es/el-person...-auxiliar-infectada-por-ebola-sin-proteccion/
Ingueferroque
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I was thinking about public pools, sauna's, ...
There is no way that virus could survive the ammonia of your urine, not to mention the chlorine of a swimming pool.
iamaustrian
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there is chlorine in pool water which kills off the virus.
only low temp saunas could be a problem. there's hardly a virus which withstands temperatures of a normal sauna (70c+)
Funky Papa
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Apparently the actual Ebola protocols have not been released to the hospitals; not even the "fixed" versions the government made on the go to account for the lacking conditions of our health centres. Doctors and nurses are just improvising with what they have.
The Ministry of Public Health is run by idiots.
It's like The Strain, but IRL.
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