UncleSporky
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Do you have evidence of him photoshopping stuff and claiming it's legit in order to further his goals?
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Ethan of H3H3 retracts defamatory claims against WSJ writer (WSJ responds)
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Do you have evidence of him photoshopping stuff and claiming it's legit in order to further his goals?
Killer Queen
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In addition to that, H3H3 isn't alt right
Chuck Norris
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One of my clients had their YouTube campaigns pulled entirely because of this. Now I'm very suspicious of this having actually happened
While I agree, this is not what the thread is about.
Oh Jesus...did H3H3 finally come out and stick up for Jontron after the gene pool comments?
I was hoping he would either denounce it or keep quiet.
Jawmuncher
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It isn't. But if it's all relateble, it's already definitely affected a lot of them in numerous ways.
I just want my red hot nickel ball channel to remain for years and the guy to still get some decent money from it.
iirc he kept quiet
cubicle47b
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Somebody's getting fired.
He hasn't said anything about Jontron.
Chuck Norris
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There are 300 hours of YouTube content uploaded every minute. The system allows for uploading of whatever content you like, the automated content checking takes time however when you're dealing with such large amounts of information
UncleSporky
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You can dislike someone all you like for their views, but I don't see how that should affect credibility on this specific subject. Has he been caught lying about this before? If not then what reason is there to doubt this?
You want someone else to investigate, but what is there to do other than present the exact same evidence again? Seems pretty open and shut.
ClosingADoor
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There is an issue with ads being put in front of extremist videos, and Google even addressed that saying it will make improvements in the coming weeks: https://blog.google/topics/google-europe/improving-our-brand-safety-controls/
Automated checking on keywords in titles and descriptions does not take time. That is a very simple check for words and then have it flagged as not being able to monetize. Actual content in the video being scanned, yes, that can be a bit slower due to the volume.
At time of WSJ review, it had no ads. They could not have known how much it generated and if it did.
The video is actually about the WSJ claiming that the video still had ads on it after the recent Youtube crackdown. The OP could be edited to make that more clear for people.
I am surprised though that it was ever able to be monetized, you would think that the N word would be an instant flag.
Lord Fagan
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Can you post the timestamp in OP's link where he does this?
jediyoshi
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Is this a post truth reality? What are the social implications of a news outlet forging sources?
DontBeThatGuy
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I assume their fan bases overlap then?
ModernBoxes
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Im not writing off H3H3 just because you seem to think I should. I reserve the criticism for JonTron, not his friends. All this constant false equivalency combined with outrage is a cancer. Use your whole mental faculties, please.
Sane and rational discourse will never happen with the alt right no matter what the other side brings to the table. Shoddy reporting by the WSJ is a drop in the bucket, it's not comparable to what H3H3 stands for and what kind of culture his channel thrives in.
cubicle47b
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Someone at the WSJ photoshopped screenshots of a Youtube video with a racist title to make it appear that ads from major corporations played before it.
IDK if its still true but Ethan and Hila moved because a few months ago JonTron gave Hila a editing job to help Jontron before alot of his views became public. With them in a legal battle and hurting financially its probably a stupid idea to tell your wife's boss hes a piece of shit, not saying its *right* to not say anything but I can understand why.
YouTube absolutely has problems that need addressing and it's very possible this collapse would have happened with or without the WSJ, but that doesn't change the fact that they need to be slammed for lying if that is what happened.
You may not like h3h3, but given that they're currently being sued in part for defamation I don't think they'd fabricate a story like this and open themselves up to another suit just to get revenge on the WSJ.
You may not like h3h3, but given that they're currently being sued in part for defamation I don't think they'd fabricate a story like this and open themselves up to another suit just to get revenge on the WSJ.
I want to know this too. I don't know if people are either assuming he's an alt-right just cause he associated with Jon or he actually defended Jon on what he has said recently. Because, just cause he was friends with Jon (a lot of youtubers were friends with Jon, let's not forget this) doesn't mean they ride the same horse. I can understand him staying quiet but unless Ethan straight up defended Jon then I wouldn't go around saying he's a alt-righter.
It's quite possible. Every single industry has a generous amount of skeletons in it's closet. Though i suppose it will be a uphill battle on this now, it's very hard to take action on a legitimate issue once it's been tainted with bad publicity. Not to mention that this is no longer just about money but the parties have integrated themselves with a massive cultural upheaval as well.
I don't dislike Ethan, I'm a big fan of H3H3 but the last video he made about this was full of bullshit and some pretty scummy behaviour, and anything dealing with the Piediepew drama was also filled with bullshit and lies on his part. He has no credibility when it comes to issues that affect him or his friends.
So yeah, just cus I like Ethan and his content doesn't mean I'm just going to believe him, especially with subjects like these.
It really is.
Pop-O-Matic
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Wrong thread.
Just to clear up the jontron stuff a little. To my knowledge they've not defended him in any way, they've just kept quiet. There was a story a while back they told in that Jontron hired Hila when they had no money and Hila may have had to go back to Israel without that job, no matter how much I disagreed with the shit Jon has been saying If I were H3H3 I wouldn't publicly rally against him after he did that for them.
Smart move.
I can atleast understand not wanting to air opinions on that when you're friends/acquaintances with the person and want to handle it in private.
H3H3 must understand the only real outcome of this
Forgive me, but
how about condemning the shit he said?
Forgive me, but
how about condemning the shit he said?
jack_package_200
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Crazy from WSJ if they realy did this.. I predict a pewdiepie reaction video, and this thing will blow up big
In this specific instance, the Wall Street Journal did something very wrong. That does not absolve Pewds of his previous shittyness that the WSJ called him out on.
TheSpoiler
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Neo-nazis aren't the only ones impacted by the ad pulls though.
Nah. Too much happened before WSJ even picked it up. Google execs were called into the UK cabinet about extremist videos on their platform and that's what got the ball rolling with advertisers in the UK boycotting YouTube. Since then it's been spreading to other countries and now here in the US. It was first reported by The Times in the UK and showing advertisements on ISIS and KKK videos.
Fence sitting is bullshit. He chose a side, end of story.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Shady journalists have always, always been a problem. A good outlet would give anyone who falsifies news the axe.
Of course, this also just lets these guys wave their hands around while proclaiming "see guys? It's not our shitty, harmful racist/sexist content and veiws that's the problem! It's the media! As such we should all double down on being scum for some reason!" Literally zero reflection on the shit that got the spotlight shined on them in the first place.
Smoke and mirrors bullshit. It almost feels like they should thank the wsj for helping them radicalize their viewers towards their terrible worldview.
Of course, this also just lets these guys wave their hands around while proclaiming "see guys? It's not our shitty, harmful racist/sexist content and veiws that's the problem! It's the media! As such we should all double down on being scum for some reason!" Literally zero reflection on the shit that got the spotlight shined on them in the first place.
Smoke and mirrors bullshit. It almost feels like they should thank the wsj for helping them radicalize their viewers towards their terrible worldview.
BreezyLimbo
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Yup
The bigger people(PDP for example) won't be hurt by this. It'll be the smaller channels that will be hurt by this
Guilt by association is fallacious.
Ad hominem is fallacious.
In other words, even if a racist scumbag (so far I've seen no evidence that H3H3 is this, after a brief google search, but if someone can enlighten me please do so) who is wrong about everything else happens to be right about a news organization doing something shady, as long as the evidence can stand by itself it needs to be taken seriously.
Ad hominem is fallacious.
In other words, even if a racist scumbag (so far I've seen no evidence that H3H3 is this, after a brief google search, but if someone can enlighten me please do so) who is wrong about everything else happens to be right about a news organization doing something shady, as long as the evidence can stand by itself it needs to be taken seriously.
This is the first I've heard of this and I've watched most of his videos.
I thought Ethan was a nice lovable dude
Google should have nipped this in the bud ages ago
Are we at war?
Still irrelevant and you both know it. It's the classic "isn't this the guy who..." annoying derail that completely sidesteps the thread topic.
But yeah, let's ignore actual proof that puts a spotlight on WSJ shenanigans because you're more concerned with character assassination and guilt by association nonsense.
EXACTLY this. Thank you.
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