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Ethan of H3H3 retracts defamatory claims against WSJ writer (WSJ responds)
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They should of done a lot more work after buying YouTube, instead of just basically patching their own ad system in.
ClosingADoor
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The issue isn't just about this one article though. Google itself has admitted already it needs to do better.
The writer of the WSJ article tweeted this: https://twitter.com/jacknicas/status/845383192274092032
It shows 2 Coca-Cola ads on a video that - according to H3H3 who contacted the uploader of the video - has not been monetized since last September. H3H3 shows a screenshot made by the uploader of the video as proof. Also, the view count on two screenshots posted on Twitter by the WSJ journalist show the same view count, sidebar, likes, but different ads, making it look photoshopped also.
So either the uploader is photoshopping something, or the WSJ journalist is.
The Greek Freak
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Trash journalistic outfits like the WSJ/Cnn etc are the only reason why FAKE NEWS has become a thing beyond 2% of people.
jediyoshi
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Ad photoshopped onto recent screen grab of youtube page, based on view number.
Didn't the UK government tell them to handle the shit ?
jack_package_200
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How is CNN fake news?
It's super shitty of the dude who wrote the WSJ article
But on the other hand this will now be forever used as proof that the big media is out to get the YouTube stars because they can't keep their racism to themselves. Even JonTron is already pointing it today. No doubt TB will join in on it too and say "see I was right the media is out to get us"
But on the other hand this will now be forever used as proof that the big media is out to get the YouTube stars because they can't keep their racism to themselves. Even JonTron is already pointing it today. No doubt TB will join in on it too and say "see I was right the media is out to get us"
#scumbaglife
Didn't the Jontron stuff only rear its head last month?
No, the only reason why it's a thing is because bigots and racists don't want to take responsibility for their own views and instead want to blame others.
Youtube statistics published for video with slur in title. Was not monetized in last year. WSJ screenshots show video had ads from major brands recently. Ethan claims WSJ faked the screenshots.
flintstryker
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No he fucking does not have to
Then the media needs to be better, WSJ supplied the fuel and should be the ones condemned for it.
No? He's been a shit for ages
Yes he does. Everyone does. Racism and white supremacy is a fairly straightforward condemn/not condemn issue. By staying silent on it you're saying loud and clear you can live with it.
BreezyLimbo
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- WSJ posted a screenshot of a video with 'N..' in the title showing a coke ad
- Ethan contacted the creator of that video
- Video had been demonitized within a few days of last september
- WSJ only recently posted this article on said video. in the screenshot video had 261Kish views
- The video currently has around those same 261kish views as of Ethans contacting the creator
- Therefore ipso facto WSJ somehow managed to get that video with an ad recently despite being demonitized 6ish months ago
Ah yes the 'you're with us or you're against us'. Some people just don't have an opinion on it and/or want to make their opinion know. It's their right to keep their opinions to themselves. That doesn't mean you get to demonize them for not being outspoken.
So does he now publicly cape for Jontron or not?
Well sorry. No need to be patronising. I honestly thought this only came to light with the stream a few weeks ago.
But he's proving the context is fake. Why would he focus on something that is apparently fake? Unless you still think that PewdiePie content is alt-right propaganda.
And this is why it's kinda useless to try to discuss these questions here on GAF. Everyone is alt-right and friends with nazis even with Ethan making videos exposing racists YouTubers and being a pretty liberal guy from everything he's said on his videos. And Ethan didn't defend Jontron on his recent racist issues, by the way.
ModernBoxes
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So PewDiePie and others lose ad revenue because WSJ is more interested in big fish, but not the real neo nazis? Its miserable scummy reporting. Everyone would be supportive of WSJ if its writers were behaving with integrity.
View count on YT is not a live counter.
Skimmed thru the vid, but didn't see any screen shots shown in the context of an article.
Ethan and Hila have not mentioned, acknowledged, or publicly communicated with JonTron since his whole racist debacle a few weeks back.
We technically have no idea if Ethan agreed with Jon on any of that shit, and I honestly doubt he does as Jon said some truly fucked up shit.
I agree H3H3 in general has been on a decline lately, especially with videos about "the triggered SJWs" (the videos they goof on are usually stupid, but then I really don't like the "triggered feminist" talk that follows. Hugh Mungus being a prime example.), but it's a false narrative to say that Ethan has an anti-media agenda while being all buddy with his alt-right friends.
Well that's nonsense. Fake news is a thing because a hostile nation spent hundreds of millions of dollars to spread bullshit stories largely using social media as the avenue and in fact deliberately avoiding mainstream ousts because they usually do basic fact checking and add their own editorial bias.
The mainstream media certainly dropped the ball on reporting and exposing the fake news phenomenon but they had nothing to do with its creation. Fox News certainly softened up the credulity of a huge segment of the population but it is not a normal mainstream news outlet and never had been.
Every mainstream outlet will make mistakes, run poorly sourced or deliberately skewed and sometimes even falsified stories but it is absolutely not Fake News.
WSJ is a corporatist right wing voice of the financial establishment but that's a far cry from Comet Pizza and Hillary murder stories.
Your claim is demonstrably false.
He made a name for himself by calling out other Youtubers for their bullshit yet refuses to take a position when it's his buddy that's in the wrong. He's not required to say anything but it most definitely is eyebrow raising. Support through silence.
Fwiw, I don't think that Ethan does support Jontron but it's poor form on his part to keep quiet
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Anyone paying attention would have already known for quite some time now. It didn't hit fever pitch until Jon literally opened the floodgates last month.
#scumbaglife
I can't tell what your post is trying to say but for anyone wondering what that tweet was about, it was in response to some heat that JonTron got for the dumb shit he was saying during women's day. Ethan, like he always does for his buddies, is defending him in that tweet by sarcastically saying JonTron doesn't supporting women.
Don't be sorry. He had said some stupid things certainly worthy of facepalming at, but nothing to the level of the gene-pool shit that popped up recently.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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:lol Yeah, all the posts in the thread from people who have never read the WSJ in their life but commenting about its views and slants because Murdoch owns them really drives your point home.
that's when most people first heard his views, yes
but it has always been on the outskirts of his personality through the years
What an absolute garbage first post. The forum equivalent of "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU". A douchey derail of the highest magnitude.
I don't follow his social media frequently and his content releases are so sporadic that I he rarely gets notice from me. I had no idea until then.
OverBlood 3
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Unless I've missed something major I've watched most of Ethan and Hila's content and it's actually really misrepresentative to call them racists, in fact they have on multiple occasions called out actual racist videos, people fabricating videos about how black people are thugs in various 'pranks in the hood' type bullshit.
If this is purely because he made videos with Jon Tron before his idiotic racist outburst then that's unfair. I think he should actually comment on what Jon Tron said but he's been completely silent on the issue which I can understand considering Ethan and Hila are being sued right now and I can imagine that's hard enough to deal with on it's own.
If this is purely because he made videos with Jon Tron before his idiotic racist outburst then that's unfair. I think he should actually comment on what Jon Tron said but he's been completely silent on the issue which I can understand considering Ethan and Hila are being sued right now and I can imagine that's hard enough to deal with on it's own.
Bubba_Sparks
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Seems pretty open and shut if the evidence presented within the video is accurate.
ClosingADoor
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Yes. That was about ads being shows on terrorist videos and such. Google admitted it needs to do more there, so they definitely see issues with their current system also.
The journalist posted these two pics on Twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tnJ4LVYAMOweX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tJ1GNVQAARRBZ.jpg
Same views, same likes, same sidebar. That means a) one of them is photoshopped or b) there is a midroll ad going on (does Youtube still have these?) and both ads showed while watching the video.
Other screenshots however show different view counts and multiple instances:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tnJ-1VQAAvOI2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tJ1GPVwAIUSea.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tJ1GNU8AAXuxw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tJ1GPVwAAKZB2.jpg
Bless your heart.
You are not living in reality. You have built a false narrative of H3H3 and have somehow used that to ironically sidestep the actual issue that H3H3 brought up.
flintstryker
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And I don't agree with you, so are with at an impasse. Clearly Ethan and the cunt was friends before this no matter how much you fuckers likes to mouth off about doing what's right I highly doubt if you had a platform you would also publicly denounce a good friend you recently founded out was shitty humans are more nuance than that. As long as Ethan doesn't make a video supporting the cunt I won't get many panties in a twist over it because I understand people are actually complex.
False narrative. Lmao.
I've watched this guy for years. Your head is in the fucking sand if you don't see what he's become lately. You're the one not living in reality.
H3H3 just appears in Twitter conversations sometimes with Jon joking about the idea people think Jon is a nazi. While I wouldn't say he defends Jon his silence and joking speaks that it obviously doesn't bother him too much.
And I guess that's part of the problem of why I can't get get on H3H3's side with this. Yeah WSJ is probably really shady here, but this sort of Youtuber community is forming where they want everyone to distrust anything bad said about them, a sort of "us vs them" scenario. And it sucks because I feel like I either have to defend PewdiePie or WSJ and the reality is I think they're both horrible.
And I guess that's part of the problem of why I can't get get on H3H3's side with this. Yeah WSJ is probably really shady here, but this sort of Youtuber community is forming where they want everyone to distrust anything bad said about them, a sort of "us vs them" scenario. And it sucks because I feel like I either have to defend PewdiePie or WSJ and the reality is I think they're both horrible.
ModernBoxes
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I don't really understand your intention here. Views and slants is a different conversation and you can take the article at face value. "Look at all these things we've cut together to make PDP look like a neo-nazi. Grab your torches!"
The writers clearly know even the hint of outrage will cause advertisers to omit themselves from the ad equation.
Did you even look at the Twitter link you posted?
The two screenshots posted have:
- Different view count
- Different order of videos on sidebar
- Different number of likes
The difference is small, but it is clearly there.
If you're going to post a link to a tweet, you shouldn't claim something that is the exact opposite of what's in said tweet.
DontBeThatGuy
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strange, considering how much he likes to have an opinion on anything and everyone else.
Gentleman Jack
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This is a good post. Ethan is taking the word of a man who posts 'hilarious' remixes of a segregationist anthem at face value in what is very clearly a crusade at this point to discredit any notion that YouTube has a problem with white supremacists making ad revenue on its network.
So this is like when Mcnulty made up a serial killer to get more resources for the department? Clearly a bad look for WSJ if true.
However, the wheels of change were already in motion before the WSJ article came out. The optics of both H3H3 videos are kind of fucked up in the framing that this is a completely fabricated issue made up to smear some youtubers.
However, the wheels of change were already in motion before the WSJ article came out. The optics of both H3H3 videos are kind of fucked up in the framing that this is a completely fabricated issue made up to smear some youtubers.
ClosingADoor
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See my previous post. The same view count is from two different tweets. These images:
- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tJ1GNVQAARRBZ.jpg
- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tnJ4LVYAMOweX.jpg
Tweets here:
- https://twitter.com/jacknicas/status/845383192274092032
- https://twitter.com/jacknicas/status/845350538837311488
Could be two ads in one video maybe, but it does look strange. However, he does show multiple other videos and screenshots, so... we don't really know anything for sure. H3H3 picks these two to compare and the uploader of the video is probably not someone you should just trust at his word either.
Edit: OK, ignore this stuff. Just went to Youtube and refreshing a page shows the same view count and sidebar due to caching on Youtubes side. So H3H3 better make sure his source is correct, because if not, he is doing the exact thing he accused the WSJ of.
Youtube's filters have gotten alot stricter in the past few months. It's ridiculous that a video with a title like that ever got through their system, but it's gotta be fixed by now.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The tweet clearly says that two ads were played before the video.
Claiming "photoshop!" because they have the same video count and everything is odd because.... the writer of the tweet is claiming that the ads occurred one after the other.
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