I think they do get some weird pbaoe, but it's probably not blizzard 2 levels of spammable.
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT5| All You Need is Gil
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I think they do get some weird pbaoe, but it's probably not blizzard 2 levels of spammable.
theSlacker
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You are missing half of my argument, another reason why I dislike cash shop items, that it is developers just doing half the work and making more money off of it. This extends to DLC costumes and what not in single player games as well. The fact that without the existence of a cash shop or paying for in game stuff, those items would be part of the gameworld with in game means of acquiring them. Instead of making a sidequest, crafting recipe, gardening groth pattern, special shopkeeper as a way of integrating said items and rewards into the game they can be just designed and sold.
EndcatOmega
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Second part of Crystal Tower, Syrcus Tower, drops i100 gear. They also drop Allagan Tomestones, which with +1300 soldiery can be turned into a i100 weapon- Soldiery's going to be uncapped in 2.4.
Yeah, support like this is what I'm talking about. This, global UI layouts, let us send mail to ourselves (FFS SE, you failed against RMT, stop this shit) and more.
Unknown Soldier
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You are already all your jobs on one character. The meaning of alt is a bit different in this game compared to all other MMOs.
cultureculture
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Your top-end options outside of Coil currently are:
- Buying i100 gear with soldiery
- i100 drops from Syrcus Tower
- i110 rings and i100 weapons from Ramuh Ex
You can also get Sands or Oil of Time from Syrcus Tower or through The Hunt, which can be used to upgrade i100 soldiery gear to i110.
The soldiery weapon is kind of an odd man out because it requires you to buy tokens with soldiery, and turn then in with an Unidentified Allagan Tomestone, which drops from Syrcus Tower or Second Coil. That said, it's probably the most bang for your buck.
All this changes next week with the new patch, so this week is a bit of an awkward time to gear up. I'd say just focus on building up currency for now and get the drops you're after, and see what the new patch brings. Since soldiery's getting uncapped, you should be able to get to around ~i100 without too much trouble then.
EndcatOmega
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There's enough lockouts in game that alts matter, though, and some people straight up enjoy the levelling process. Poor souls.
Unknown Soldier
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Someone should tell Guy that the Anti-Cash Shop Crusade Ship sailed many years ago when WoW added the cash shop and nothing happened to that game. Players should have quit WoW en masse when that was introduced if they wanted to stop it from happening but they didn't. It's too late now, players had their chance and they voted with their wallets for cash shop in WoW, not against.
TheDancingWatermelon
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How could anyone be sad at what came after the celestial steed? Mini Ragnaros? Mini KT? Come on Guy! >:|
I am going to guess around one hour per level doing FATEs in the 20-40 range, maybe less since they've adjusted FATE rates since FATE leveling was a thing. 40-44 will take a bit longer. 44-50 can be done quickly with Dzemael Darkhold first room spam if you find a group to do it with.
Cool pics. The broken Garuda constume is kind of fitting now considering the beatings I see her take nowadays.
Wait there is a cash shop now? That's not cool...
Please tell me you're joking.
Give it time, man. They're just introducing this feature, so maybe it'll come around eventually. Unlikely, given SE's pricing models up to this point, but if people request it enough maybe we'll see it. Maybe. Issue could come in to RMT, and SE wants the money you'd spend on gil to convert to cash shop money. Hmm.
Let's have this discussion again when it's relevant, because this could be making a mountain out of a molehill, doome-chan.
Hey man, taco expansion is worth it, and you know that better than anyone.
I'm still of the wait and see mindset when it comes to the cash shop. I don't think that pumpkin heads are going to really sell that well, but those ghost costumes are quite tempting for people like me who subbed just after the halloween event ended last year. The Sleipnir mount is whatever to me. It's cool, sure, but hardly something I see people buying in droves.
You have a point about the whole "winning" with vanity, but I really doubt that they'd cut off content behind a pay wall, since they've had the option to do it before and haven't. It's not like the game is lacking for tacos, as you said yourself. There are constant updates to the game, so it remains to be seen how much of it will be cut and slapped into cash shops.
But, you can't compare selling levels or gear to selling vanity pieces. You can't. That part of the argument is pretty ridiculous.
cultureculture
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Praise Mr. D.
Huh, thanks. I'm assuming dungeons/Guildhests will be essentially impossible given that everyone will be doing Ninja or the new content so low level stuff will be an eternal wait, but since I'm sitting on a full stack of leves maybe I can use that for help/variety from 40-50.
Should be grindable in a week, though. Trying to get relic will be fun.
Coil groups want the D and they have bent over willingly.
/weeps
I thought my statement was ridiculous enough that the sarcasm would be obvious. Who knows though, let's see if I show up for coil all of this week. Pretty sure my sub runs out and needs renewal this week ^^
Can I have your stuff?
I will hunt you down.
Thank you both for the replies.
How PUG friendly is either part of Crystal Tower? As a PLD, I generally don't like to go tanking things with PUGs unless I've done my research and know mechanics so I don't end up wasting folks time. If it's faceroll easy, however, I'll just queue up later and see how it goes.
Should I continue grinding out the Atma for the relic upgrade? Guessing yes.
Looking to powerlevel somebody's Rogue from 1-15+ in exchange for powerleveling my Rogue. My powerleveling method would involve you tagging the mobs you need for your hunting log, and then grouping them together for my BLM to kill with AOEs. Since I work during the day, this would have to be done in the evening.
I understand that. Just like I'm sure you understand that at 50, the game shifts and really makes it hard on a player to gear up multiple jobs.
Final thoughts on Cash shop.
1: It was pretty obvious they were going to do something like this, when they started selling Phantasia's.
2: It's not pay to win, so it shouldn't affect game balance much.
3: Right now we have three minions, and a mount. That's hardly a wide selection of cosmetic items.
4: They'd be pretty darn hard pressed to surpass the in-game vanity items in terms of sheer numbers, given that they, "NEED," to create gear every time there's an ilvl cap, or any time they create content they really want people to do. In a game without such a rigidly defined linear content treadmill, this might be a problem, but with said treadmill it'd almost impossible to see for-cash vanity passing in-game vanity.
5: If for cash vanity is lucrative enough, they can hire entirely separate model designers for it. In fact, if it is lucrative, they would almost have to, given that the core dev team is already pretty small.
6: If it's mostly minions, PFFFT!
1: It was pretty obvious they were going to do something like this, when they started selling Phantasia's.
2: It's not pay to win, so it shouldn't affect game balance much.
3: Right now we have three minions, and a mount. That's hardly a wide selection of cosmetic items.
4: They'd be pretty darn hard pressed to surpass the in-game vanity items in terms of sheer numbers, given that they, "NEED," to create gear every time there's an ilvl cap, or any time they create content they really want people to do. In a game without such a rigidly defined linear content treadmill, this might be a problem, but with said treadmill it'd almost impossible to see for-cash vanity passing in-game vanity.
5: If for cash vanity is lucrative enough, they can hire entirely separate model designers for it. In fact, if it is lucrative, they would almost have to, given that the core dev team is already pretty small.
6: If it's mostly minions, PFFFT!
irfaanator
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sure, but I may not be on tuesday night. also I only run with the highest of calibers.
How difficult is it to essentially max out multiple professions? I totally get how the time requirement to max out a DoW job makes it nearly impossible to properly gear other DoW jobs to a similar degree, but are crafters able to at least do that?
Other than relic weapon past the zenith stage it's still not too difficult to get gear for other classes, even if you have to take it a bit more slowly. Even with tome caps many people have a bunch of gear for multiple jobs by now if they've been capping since 2.2. That cap will go away next week so it will become even easier as well.
Crystal Tower / Labyrinth of the Ancients - A lot of dumb mechanics to worry about. Nobody queues for this, however, so you'll probably have an awful queue time. Experience inside will vary. You should probably find a guide since there's a lot of individual mechanics for the bosses (and trash).
Syrcus Tower - its a circus
Incidentally, it's not like you really have options outside of just DFing them so ... yeah.
As for the Atmas, they're getting their drop rate adjusted next week so you can wait on those.
cultureculture
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They're both pretty easy, particularly if you're tanking. Especially the first part (Labyrinth of the Ancients), which fills in double the tanks it actually needs. And if you tell your party up front that you're new, I'm sure they'll give you a quick potted explanation of what you need to do, but it's pretty simple stuff.
As for the relic upgrades, the answer is 'only if you want to'. It is a massive time, gil and effort sink to get something that has comparable equivalents. But it does look pretty awesome and perhaps there's something to be said for experiencing the struggle with other people doing the same grind? :V
It's really more about how much time and effort you can afford/be arsed to give to your secondary jobs.
And how much of a loot whore you are.
Just a follow-up to a previous comment.
Cash shop probably WILL be mostly minions. Most minions are fairly low-poly, thus they'll be cheap and easy to make. As such, they're probably the most lucrative things SE could possibly sell on a Cash Shop.
Which means the number of new in-game minions might go down a bit in the future, but, speaking only personally, I can't get too upset about that.
Cash shop probably WILL be mostly minions. Most minions are fairly low-poly, thus they'll be cheap and easy to make. As such, they're probably the most lucrative things SE could possibly sell on a Cash Shop.
Which means the number of new in-game minions might go down a bit in the future, but, speaking only personally, I can't get too upset about that.
not like they drop anyway
I will rage about the cash shop if and when it interferes with fish desynth.
DoL/DoH don't have a hard lockout, but there's a pretty big gil sink involved in melding them out. Getting the master recipes/artisan tools involves some not cheap crafting, and then getting supra involves the ridiculous expensiveness that is desynth.
It's worth max leveling all crafting classes for self-repair and self-melds, and the game doesn't straight up bar you from being a master of all crafts, but it's very much takes money to make money.
Gathering again has meld costs, time consuming gathers for the forager equipment (silver sovereigns ugh), then more gathers for supra plus expensive demimateria.
It's a personal ROI thing; it sounds like they'll be making changes to make catch up easier in 2.45 (best patch!), but right now it really makes more sense to get everything to 50 and then play favorites.
DoL/DoH don't have a hard lockout, but there's a pretty big gil sink involved in melding them out. Getting the master recipes/artisan tools involves some not cheap crafting, and then getting supra involves the ridiculous expensiveness that is desynth.
It's worth max leveling all crafting classes for self-repair and self-melds, and the game doesn't straight up bar you from being a master of all crafts, but it's very much takes money to make money.
Gathering again has meld costs, time consuming gathers for the forager equipment (silver sovereigns ugh), then more gathers for supra plus expensive demimateria.
It's a personal ROI thing; it sounds like they'll be making changes to make catch up easier in 2.45 (best patch!), but right now it really makes more sense to get everything to 50 and then play favorites.
Better to ask forgiveness than permission to roll.
WHAT????
Drop rate will be more than doubled, apparently.
2 x 0% = ??
It's probably worth noting you can avoid spending gil directly by spending your time instead. There's nothing you can't just do completely on your own.
I spiritbonded more materia than I've actually bought for crafters. Was quite an adventure.
Really though, even if it is like 1% -> 2%, that's still halving the expected time.
That said, I can't wait for the "ATMA BUFF IS A LIE" posts.
But atma was designed for casuals from the start.
It's to help the casuals be able to pick out the filthy casuals.
I'm a little dubious on this though. When 2.2 hit they did the same thing with some Phil items, however the Myth Drop amounts were lowered so much, that it was just about as difficult to get said items.
I suspect the nerf in the Soldiery drop rate, will make books just about as hard. If they really want to nerf books, take out the Fates.
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