Riedinizzo
Banned
no
take a stand
Yeah, your "taking a stand" is like throwing fuel on a fire. I bet if no one talked about this shit for a solid 48 hours, it would go away.
But whatever. Do what you feel is right.
no
take a stand
yes hi if you're actually equating a quick message on xbl or psn with continued public harassment that causes you to flee your home i really don't know what to say to you but you should probably think about that
They aren't always empty. People don't have to shrug them off like you do especially given the ones Anita has gotten.
How long have you been on the internet/ on earth? The vast majority of threats in person and online are empty. I've had multiple people google shit on me and make threats on me just for beating them in online games or posting shit they didn't like on a wow message board. Not to mention real life wanna be thugs who have talked shit. Who besides shut ins haven't had at least some online troll threaten them at some point?
Yes I feel bad for people who are threatened but psycos didn't need gamergate to troll/make real threats, all gamergate did was give them a new target until they get bored or get psychiatric treatment.
Yet the more the press wants to lump in everyone (gamergate involved or like me not involved) with said psycos the less of a fuck I give about them getting harassed online.
Had multiple anti gg journos harassing me on twitter about gun nuts/gun control because I said I agree with the broad ideas of Anita's videos, but find the execution quite poor. Seriously at that point fuck off and enjoy only interacting with psycos and trolls.
Edit: psycos and trolls that games press has actively been courting/creating/embracing with combative clickbait bullshit for years. You made your bed fucking enjoy it.
I'm not saying they deserve the threats or are dumb for taking them seriously, I just don't understand it based on my own experiences that's all.
Hell my very first day online like 8 yes old on AOL a guy got pissed and sent me a picture of his cock saying he was going to rape my family to death because of what I said in a chat room. Found that shit empty and hilarious then and now, maybe I'm the weirdo idk.
Pretty much. People in that thread didn't even know how bad it had gotten. I'm glad I posted that, even if it was just for a bit.Maybe burying your post in a 242 page Megathread lots of people are used to ignoring now is a little off-putting when you feel like you have something to say?
I've been a member on here for a decent amount of time. I'm quite used to the mods. I can't really think of many times I've ever been banned, and I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've been juniored. I'm also not afraid for sticking up for something I believe in, and of all the things to be afraid of, losing my GAF account isn't really high up there. If this is why I get banned, that's fine. I enjoy GAF, and I like this board. I think it's got a lot of great stuff going on here. That being said, I do truly believe that the profile of GamerGate has to be raised, and people need to understand that women's lives are quite literally being threatened, and people don't even know that because they've tuned out this GamerGate nonsense. This mega thread doesn't really help. Even I've been ignoring it.Considering your actions the mods were quite lenient. Calling out the actions of the moderation team usually results in an automatic ban. You got off lightly so take care with your existing account now. Juniors are generally more vulnerable.
Just some advice. Don't want to see you fixate on the issue here and get banned.
I agree that the threats are probably mostly empty, but also am empathetic with somebody who chooses to treat them as credible because it can and has happened. Noise filtering is always difficult with threats--borderline impossible, even.
I'm having trouble understanding people who are saying "just ignore the threats" and that by giving them attention you're giving them what they want.... you do realize that you are telling someone to just not feel threatened or scared. "Oh you're afraid of walking home alone at night? Just don't be, it's that easy!"
Its like you guys haven't heard of trolling.
The death threats, etc are all for attention and to get a rise out of people like you and me.
I wonder how well the "LOL TROLLING" defence would do in a court of law.
Unless you got daily threats like that for two years by thousand different account from all over the Internet with one even containing your personal and your family's home address and posting them on the Internet for all to see then NO it's not even remotely the same with the kind of threats Anita has been receiving.I'm not saying they deserve the threats or are dumb for taking them seriously, I just don't understand it based on my own experiences that's all.
Hell my very first day online like 8 yes old on AOL a guy got pissed and sent me a picture of his cock saying he was going to rape my family to death because of what I said in a chat room. Found that shit empty and hilarious then and now, maybe I'm the weirdo idk.
Im just surprised no one has been swatted yet from all this.Bomb threats and letters to a university that will shoot it up if a female does a thing there.
Just trolls.
I'm not saying they deserve the threats or are dumb for taking them seriously, I just don't understand it based on my own experiences that's all.
Hell my very first day online like 8 yes old on AOL a guy got pissed and sent me a picture of his cock saying he was going to rape my family to death because of what I said in a chat room. Found that shit empty and hilarious then and now, maybe I'm the weirdo idk.
Yet the more the press wants to lump in everyone (gamergate involved or like me not involved) with said psycos the less of a fuck I give about them getting harassed online.
This "two sides" thing is a fallacy. There are not "two sides" here. There are people who affiliate with GamerGate, and then there is the rest of the world, some of whom might be against GamerGate for various reasons, and some of whom might not know about this or care. You cannot reasonably claim that "anti-GamerGate" people are on "one side" because they are not uniting under one banner, hashtag, or campaign of any sort.I'm just really sick of GamerGate at this point. Sick of both sides really. I constantly see these generalization of both sides of this argument, and those generalizations will only lead to more steps backwards. Honestly it's a breath of fresh air when I don't see a generalization among tweets about GG. I constantly see how somehow people using the GG hashtag clearly support harassment, etc. just by using it. So do people who are anti-GG support harassment too? Because last time I checked, it's coming from both sides of the spectrum, and it's sickening.
As long as you aren't trying to silence the other side, go ahead, fight for ethics in games journalism. Perfectly fine to me.
Fighting for equality in gaming? Cool. Diversity in gaming would be a great thing.
But holy hell, keep it a hate free environment. Neither side is getting anywhere with generalizations, harassment, death threats, and doxxing. This just needs to end, before it gets any worse than it is.
Unless you got daily threats like that for two years by thousand different account from all over the Internet with one even containing your personal and your family's home address and posting them on the Internet for all to see then NO it's not even remotely the same with the kind of threats Anita has been receiving.
Right, because if it completely stops, and a month later a new Fem Freq comes out, or Zoe makes a Tweet, or hell anything about women in tech is brought up, it starts again.Yeah, your "taking a stand" is like throwing fuel on a fire. I bet if no one talked about this shit for a solid 48 hours, it would go away.
But whatever. Do what you feel is right.
I'm not going to say stop being a pussy, just that having 95% of the games press circlejerking about this is only encouraging more and more of this because psycos/trolls see they are making a huge impact.
That's a horribly offensive, insensitive and ignorant statement. Very surprised to see such short sighted and rude comment about one groups rights in a thread about defending another groups rights. Clearly you are far from educated on the topic and I advise you to open a history book.
Not joking at all.
8chan post suggesting the enemies of GamerGate will sacrifice one of their own to destroy the ethics movement that's trying to save video games.
Fucking amazing.
Developers and journalists (mostly women) are quite literally having their addresses and personal contact information as well as info on family members posted around on the Internet with groups organizing campaigns to harass them and drive them out of their homes. You think this is something they can just ignore?
That was fast. Adam Baldwin on Twitter not half an hour ago already called Anita Sakeesian a liar and continues to defend Gamergate with all his effort.
How long have you been on the internet/ on earth? The vast majority of threats in person and online are empty. I've had multiple people google shit on me and make threats on me just for beating them in online games or posting shit they didn't like on a wow message board. Not to mention real life wanna be thugs who have talked shit. Who besides shut ins haven't had at least some online troll threaten them at some point?
Yes I feel bad for people who are threatened but psycos didn't need gamergate to troll/make real threats, all gamergate did was give them a new target until they get bored or get psychiatric treatment.
Yet the more the press wants to lump in everyone (gamergate involved or like me not involved) with said psycos the less of a fuck I give about them getting harassed online.
Had multiple anti gg journos harassing me on twitter about gun nuts/gun control because I said I agree with the broad ideas of Anita's videos, but find the execution quite poor. Seriously at that point fuck off and enjoy only interacting with psycos and trolls.
Edit: psycos and trolls that games press has actively been courting/creating/embracing with combative clickbait bullshit for years. You made your bed fucking enjoy it.
Its like you guys haven't heard of trolling.
The death threats, etc are all for attention and to get a rise out of people like you and me.
Just ignore it. They thrive on rustled jimmies.
Yes its disgusting , and I hate it too. But someone out there is laughing their ass off when a GAF thread gets created where someone posts in all caps about women's rights.
Take a deep breathe and rise above it my friends.
Maybe there should be some sort of banner for anti-GamerGate people to rally behind? I mean it's gotten to the point where there are legitimate issues that need to be addressed, and maybe being more organized would help that.This "two sides" thing is a fallacy. There are not "two sides" here. There are people who affiliate with GamerGate, and then there is the rest of the world, some of whom might be against GamerGate for various reasons, and some of whom might not know about this or care. You cannot reasonably claim that "anti-GamerGate" people are on "one side" because they are not uniting under one banner, hashtag, or campaign of any sort.
Many tried ignoring it. It's been going on for months regardless. Nope.
Many tried ignoring it. It's been going on for months regardless. Nope.
No it's not just about taking a deep breathe and rising above it. It's about denouncing that type of behavior. It's about saying that the internet does not give one power to threaten someone's life even if it's done as "trolling", there should be zero tolerance for that type of behavior. Women's rights is not just about women's rights, it's about protecting the voice of the oppressed, protecting the voice of those who want to speak out, and do not necessarily represent the majority. Think about it, anytime someone critiques a game for something that has sociopolitical associations (such as GTA V and violence against women) some gamers (some not all) get all fired up, defensive and some go as far as making death threats. That type of behavior is not okay, it's almost as bad as the Inquisition, the times when you speaking against the church meant being exiled, excommunicated or even hanged for heresy. We can't revert back to those times. I am glad that Anita Sarkeesian canceled the event and that she contacted the police. Her safety is important, and you can never know what some human beings are capable of. But it's also saddening to see that in one of my favorite hobbies, gaming, where I met some of the most amazing friends and individuals though this hobby, has to be tainted in a negative manner because of the actions of a few radical and savage individuals. The savages and radicals who can't come up with something logical to challenge Anita Sarkeesian's arguments and statements, but chose to resort to violence. It's a shame. Those individuals need some serious mental help.
Thank you.This thread's title comes off as too neutral to me. I want to problematize gamergate. I don't want it portrayed as a "debate" even a little bit. I appreciated Dartastic's thread for bringing people who aren't paying much attention up to speed on just how terrible this shit has gotten.
Many tried ignoring it. It's been going on for months regardless. Nope.
He had a fairly big role in Full Metal Jacket and is beloved by his involvement in Firefly. Both aren't recent things even remotely so yeah I guess it's fair to say that even if he was a big-ish name once he's not anymore. And he leading his dumbass movement certainly won't help him getting back on that horse.Baldwin's career is unlikely to be hurt because it isn't like he's a big star. He's almost always a secondary character for when they need a big intimidating guy that can also do light comedy.
So encouraging psycos and trolls by showing how successful they are, and insulting millions who have nothing to do with it is plan B? Sounds perfect good luck with that.
Most of them are empty but why take the chance that several calls into a college to shoot up the place/her are all hogwash? The real issue here is that there needs to be consequences for threats like that just like threats of any other kind.
Yes and that's awful. But why is that happening?
Because of threads like THIS. They're after YOUR reaction and they think its hilarious. That's the reality.
So just shut the fuck up about it. Seriously. They want you to "take a stand" and get all riled up, but they couldnt give less of a fuck what you think.
Seriously guys. Just. Stop.
Just don't pay attention to it and this will stop. It's just trolls.
So encouraging psycos and trolls by showing how successful they are, and insulting millions who have nothing to do with it is plan B? Sounds perfect good luck with that.
This thread's title comes off as too neutral to me. I want to problematize gamergate. I don't want it portrayed as a "debate" even a little bit. I appreciated Dartastic's thread for bringing people who aren't paying much attention up to speed on just how terrible this shit has gotten.
Yeah, why can't us gals just shut up and realize that if we never talk in the first place men won't go out of their way to harass us... where have I heard this before?Yes and that's awful. But why is that happening?
Because of threads like THIS. They're after YOUR reaction and they think its hilarious. That's the reality.
So just shut the fuck up about it. Seriously. They want you to "take a stand" and get all riled up, but they couldnt give less of a fuck what you think.
Seriously guys. Just. Stop.
Yes and that's awful. But why is that happening?
Because of threads like THIS. They're after YOUR reaction and they think its hilarious. That's the reality.
So just shut the fuck up about it. Seriously. They want you to "take a stand" and get all riled up, but they couldnt give less of a fuck what you think.
Seriously guys. Just. Stop.
gamers are smart enough to see through what is happening and there is by no way any serious issue of misogyny in this industry.
The other thing that is pretty clear from #GamerGate is that the person running NeoGAF is part of this group or colluding with them. Long gone are golden days of NeoGaf.
This is true, Ive been on GAF for many years and the overall mentality has definitely changed. Before it used to be all about the games and the rampant fanboyism and suddenly when these things come out, youd see blatant censorship. Someone posted a video of Anita (Sarkeesian) saying I dont play video games. And then the thread is locked. Its like, whats up with that? There was also a supposed connection between Tyler Malka, (owner of GAF) and Kotaku, where they plagiarized a post and ran ads on it, on Kotaku.
Posting this since other thread got locked.
How long have you been on the internet/ on earth? The vast majority of threats in person and online are empty. I've had multiple people google shit on me and make threats on me just for beating them in online games or posting shit they didn't like on a wow message board. Not to mention real life wanna be thugs who have talked shit. Who besides shut ins haven't had at least some online troll threaten them at some point?
Yes I feel bad for people who are threatened but psycos didn't need gamergate to troll/make real threats, all gamergate did was give them a new target until they get bored or get psychiatric treatment.
Yet the more the press wants to lump in everyone (gamergate involved or like me not involved) with said psycos the less of a fuck I give about them getting harassed online.
Had multiple anti gg journos harassing me on twitter about gun nuts/gun control because I said I agree with the broad ideas of Anita's videos, but find the execution quite poor. Seriously at that point fuck off and enjoy only interacting with psycos and trolls.
Hard to say if it will or not. Part of me wishes the harassed would not air their harassment online, as it only instigates more harassment. Take it up with local law enforcement, continue doing your job the way you intend to do it and stop addressing these fools. For many of them this is the most significant thing they have ever been apart of, and the more they are acknowledged the more they will continue. Those people are deranged and should be ashamed, and should be caught and shutdown.
I feel sorry for these women, but at the same time we are powerless to help them. So I don't see what good comes from airing all this stuff out in the public, other than fan the flames even more.
Dat controlled narrative.This "two sides" thing is a fallacy. There are not "two sides" here. There are people who affiliate with GamerGate, and then there is the rest of the world, some of whom might be against GamerGate for various reasons, and some of whom might not know about this or care. You cannot reasonably claim that "anti-GamerGate" people are on "one side" because they are not uniting under one banner, hashtag, or campaign of any sort.
Death threats against people in the gaming industry or somehow associated with it have been going on for years, not months.
Steel said:That's like saying all Republicans or all Democrats are the same because they ascribe to a group. People who throw out one random tweet with #gamergate likely don't even know all the facts, they just see a fraction of an issue they care about talk about it once or twice then walk away. Even the ones that do talk about it a lot probably don't see #gamergate as a part of their identity.Minishdriveby said:It's kind of unavoidable when they're ascribing to a group. Individuality is lost when you identify as a group.Steel said:Trying to stop an internet hate war is like trying to stop fusion from occurring in the sun. It's dumb, but it's the internet.
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Most of gamergate is upset at a completely separate issue and aren't really supporting death threats, but if people want to lump them altogether, well that's how things keep escalating. It's all stupid.