From my experience, when a once-promising show goes bad, it take critics one full season of defending awfulness before they get over their egos enough to admit that a show they once rallied around is now shit.
See:
Lost
Glee
Coming soon:
Homeland
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Girls - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO
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From my experience, when a once-promising show goes bad, it take critics one full season of defending awfulness before they get over their egos enough to admit that a show they once rallied around is now shit.
See:
Lost
Glee
Coming soon:
Homeland
GAF is ahead of the curve, it hates that show already!
Yes, she has flaws. He called her out on them. Everyone has flaws. She is very self involved.
brianjones
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hannah could have just as easily been making a new thread on gaf in that opening instead of google searching
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I laughed when she typed in "normal tongue".
lol.
brianjones
Member
Are you suggesting all flaws are equal? Because one way of interpreting your argument is by saying all human beings are average in spite of human complexity.
You may believe that but from my understanding of average people standards Hannah is indeed a horribly flawed person that deserves whatever she gets because she brings a lot of it on herself. Despite this low locus of control, she manipulatively poisons the lives of those around her without once taking their emotional needs and capabilities into consideration because she is selfish and immature.
Hannah exemplifies the type of adult you never want to be when your 26 years of age for your parents, friends and colleagues sake.
I'm not saying all flaws are equal, I think she is VERY flawed, but I don't think that makes her an awful human being.
brianjones
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you would think zach is describing tony soprano
are all 26 year olds you know church going MDs
are all 26 year olds you know church going MDs
You don't need to believe she is an awful person like I do, but understand calling her an awful person is not an outrageous statement.
Saying her neurosis would lead to mass homicide would be outrageous, but saying she is an awful person in the normal sense is perfectly reasonable.
Jeez, I'm only 22 and I've probably been through a 1000x more shit than you have.
See I can make baseless inferences too. Get off it, dude. You don't know me and I don't know you so chuck that type of discussion out the window.
brianjones
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whoa check out zach with all the life experience over here
Thug Waffle
Member
Looks to me like the last three episodes (aka Hannah going psycho) overshadow what was otherwise a good season of television. Certainly not up to S1 in quality, I feel like this season really missed a central storyline, like the Adam&Hannah realtionship in season 1.
In Season 2, the lives of the four girls +adam never really intervened, with everyone breaking away from each other midway though the season, and stumbling into another persons live for an episode or two. This made the whole series feel really episodic, and while some of these episodes were interesting ("Boys", "Bad Friend"), the season as whole just didn´t work. Having a chamber play and a road trip episode in one season didn´t help, and it broke up the season into three parts. (1-4,5-7,8-10)
Sadly, episodes 8-10 are a mess. Hannahs OCD could have been interesting, if those episodes were actually about her. But for the last three weeks Hannah storyline was the least compelling. I was actually surprised to see her from time to time, in a way of "Oh you´re still here? Still ocd? Alright, back to shosh and marnie." Even though I´m sure there was a lot of screen time given to her story.
Oh and last night´s finale was stupid.
I´ll stick around for season three. Let´s see Hannah and Adam being happy for a few episodes, before dragging each other down and eventually splitting up again.
But I´m sure there wouldn´t have been this kind of backlash if S2 had ended on episode 5 or 7
In Season 2, the lives of the four girls +adam never really intervened, with everyone breaking away from each other midway though the season, and stumbling into another persons live for an episode or two. This made the whole series feel really episodic, and while some of these episodes were interesting ("Boys", "Bad Friend"), the season as whole just didn´t work. Having a chamber play and a road trip episode in one season didn´t help, and it broke up the season into three parts. (1-4,5-7,8-10)
Sadly, episodes 8-10 are a mess. Hannahs OCD could have been interesting, if those episodes were actually about her. But for the last three weeks Hannah storyline was the least compelling. I was actually surprised to see her from time to time, in a way of "Oh you´re still here? Still ocd? Alright, back to shosh and marnie." Even though I´m sure there was a lot of screen time given to her story.
Oh and last night´s finale was stupid.
I´ll stick around for season three. Let´s see Hannah and Adam being happy for a few episodes, before dragging each other down and eventually splitting up again.
But I´m sure there wouldn´t have been this kind of backlash if S2 had ended on episode 5 or 7
BertramCooper
Banned
Way to go out with a garbage, cliched rom-com ending.
Blargsdfsdhdafhads.
Blargsdfsdhdafhads.
im still catching up, not really reading these last comments cause I havemt watched the finale yet
only reason im posting is because I found myself fast forwarding through the daft punk/kanye singing
holy shit man, I never do that. They achieved the pure essence of cringe. I couldnt watch it
only reason im posting is because I found myself fast forwarding through the daft punk/kanye singing
holy shit man, I never do that. They achieved the pure essence of cringe. I couldnt watch it
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Wait Laird isn't? Am I in some weird alternate dimension?
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Hannah going crazy was stupid when it was out of the blue and just happened without much forshadowing. By this episode I'd accepted it and I thought Dunham did a good job playing the role, and found Hannah's breakdown pretty believable.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Wait u can? Huh.
BertramCooper
Banned
I love how the primary conflict of the episode - the book/lawsuit - is just casually thrown away in favor of the Kate Hudson rom-com ending sequence. It will probably be addressed in the beginning of Season 3 (maybe), but it's still really fucking lazy to just abandon it like that.
I also love how idiot Marnie thinks Charlie is "brown." Well, I guess he's about as brown as it gets on this show (if you don't count Donald Glover, which I sure as hell don't).
I also love how idiot Marnie thinks Charlie is "brown." Well, I guess he's about as brown as it gets on this show (if you don't count Donald Glover, which I sure as hell don't).
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I'm glad Lena Dunham is giving Colin Quinn and Hedwig some work
Other than that, fuck this show.
Other than that, fuck this show.
Yeah, you can.
I don't know if you can Facespace over 3G, though.
To be fair, I would throw it away as soon as I possibly could too. It was hardly a storyline.
I'm still not even sure who that guy was and how he knew her.
BertramCooper
Banned
For once I'd just like to see Hannah deal with some tangible consequences for her cuntish behavior.
This show just keeps kicking the can down the road until it forgets about the can entirely.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Not being able to write a book isn't especially cuntish. I think she's more childish than cuntish.
BertramCooper
Banned
Well, she cites her ear problems as a primary reason she hasn't been able to write, which were at least partially self-inflicted.
But I can't really offer a solid definition of "cuntish," so it's open to debate.
Cornballer
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Shut your goddamn mouth.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Colin Quinn and Ray spin off please. Also, Ray is going to make hell of bank in Brooklyn Heights. Shit's like the Redondo Hills of New York.
(I just wanted to say "Redondo Hills")
(I just wanted to say "Redondo Hills")
BertramCooper
Banned
Charlie deserves Marnie.
I've known several Charlies (some male, some female) - genuinely good people who insist on being with emotionally manipulative partners. At first, you feel sorry for them and chock it up to naïveté and try to talk some sense into them, but eventually you figure out they're just too goddamned stupid to be with someone who would treat them with a modicum of decency.
I've known several Charlies (some male, some female) - genuinely good people who insist on being with emotionally manipulative partners. At first, you feel sorry for them and chock it up to naïveté and try to talk some sense into them, but eventually you figure out they're just too goddamned stupid to be with someone who would treat them with a modicum of decency.
I am not sure it is fair to wish Marnie on anyone. OK, maybe Hitler.
ThisWreckage
Banned
The relationship critics have with this show is reminiscent of a guy getting drunk at a bar and bringing home an unattractive girl that he thought was attractive due to alcohol. When they sober up it will be hilarious. This reminds me of high school. A small group of people start doing something that is incredibly stupid, but because they're popular it catches on. Before you know it, half the school is wearing or saying something wildly lame, but everyone deep down knows that to be exactly true. But they're so invested in something so terrible that it's too late to turn back.
BertramCooper
Banned
The show is just so goddamned amateurish - both its writing and its acting. Some of the relationships and character dynamics are genuinely interesting, but it's so poorly plotted and badly acted that it just falls apart for me.
Lena Dunham should still be learning her craft, but instead she has already been crowned as a voice-of-a-generation wunderkind and showered with praise and awards. And that will only stunt her growth as a writer because she's never going to learn from her obvious mistakes.
ThisWreckage
Banned
She's never been a good writer and the heaps of praise bestowed upon her for drivel like Tiny Furniture makes this even worse. I fully expect people to start comparing her to Weiner before too long.
Macmanus
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Correct. He has a solid work ethic.
And she deserves the praise. Sure it´s overblown, but that´d just "the media" being "the media". Still Dunham created a tv-show interesting and well written enough to become part of pop-culture. At 25. All the backlash right now is hyperbole. It´s a good show, certainly good enough to warrant the attention it get´s.
And your idea about her future, I really don´t see where that comes from. Can you point me to some other writer whos progress was hampered by being successful early on?
ThisWreckage
Banned
Two can play this game. If anything has been hyperbolic, it's been the praised directed toward her. Just because the show is part of pop culture that hardly means it is of quality. Other scripted shows like The Big Bang Theory are enormously popular. Are we supposed to assume that the show is of quality just because a lot of people treat it as background noise?
I know I'm going to get crucified for this, but Tarantino is a writer who was stunted due to overwhelming praise. Pulp Fiction had critics proclaiming him as the savior of cinema and he was viewed as some sort of trailblazer. He's proceeded to go up in his own ass further and further sans Jackie Brown because of that.
You can't be serious.
This isn't hyperbolic, but criticizing season 2 for a lack of direction and poor story cohesiveness is?
Tim the Wiz
Banned
Yeah, you guys nailed it. If they're saying otherwise, the critics are lazy. Enough to be praising a shallow rom-com reading of the show. Which is odd, because regardless of its embedded ambivalence, this was a pretty obviously disjointed season. Not sure if I'll be back for round three.
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