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â Narayan
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The combat was nice.Khold said:
Yep.
Inferno313 said:
I was going to point out the same thing.
Come on, Mama. I appreciate any attempt to call out Other M for being a piece of crap, but don't take away the closest thing Ridley's had to a victory. He's not the villain here. Sakamoto is.
JaxJag said:
Yes, Nintendo is the only company to ever utilize the concept of a hero having an arch nemesis.
shadyspace
Banned
Because anime.G-Fex said:
It was alright, but it took a long time for the game part of the game to actually get good.
Relaxed Muscle said:She already had a meltdown in the manga.
The fact she has another dozen of years later is even more dumber.
that's why i think Other M should have been a prequel to M1 if they wanted to portray samus like that.
but that would mean no baby since SM's events are way later and Sakamoto had a hard-on for that.
funny gif. the only bad thing is that we don't get to see Fusion Ridley.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Samus was fully armed and ready to fight until she realized the purple dinosaur was back.VideoMan said:
HeresSomeWeapons
Member
No No No No
Mecha Ridley is not Ridley! Samus should only get 6 points.
Mecha Ridley is not Ridley! Samus should only get 6 points.
The Xtortionist said:
A pencil + some graph paper + Metroid = FUN TIMES AHEAD!
No, seriously; go play Metroid like that. It makes it so much more fun.
The only one eveeeeeeeeeeeer.KevinCow said:
Yep...
...kinda simplistic though
Game2Death
Banned
What if I've never played a Metroid game...?
Barrow Roll
Member
Yeah, the series as a whole was kind of ruined. Alien 3 is abysmal, Alien Resurrection isn't great either and both AVP movies are shite. Although that scene isn't the breaking point by any means. First two are still excellent movies.VideoMan said:
OH GOD WHY IS SHE SCARED SHE ALREADY FOUGHT THEM THREE TIMES BEFORE SERIES RUINED
The Metroid manga was pretty crap too.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
Jin34 said:
Goddamn, what an epic, epic fail. lol
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Pimpbaa said:
That's the joke.
VideoMan
30% Failure Rate
No, my defense of this particular plot point in Other M that's got so many people's panties in a twist is that the exact same thing happens in movies all the time and nobody complains about it. Ever. Why? It's a reasonable and realistic reaction for a character to have when confronted with a huge scary monster.Jin34 said:
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Other M, how close this was to being good.
Great Rumbler
Member
There's really no need to focus on this scene from Other M in particular, considering that there's a laundry list of issues with the game.
VideoMan said:
But we do complain about it in Alien 3, that's part of why it sucks and it's such a huge disappointment after 2 excellent movies, similar to Other M. That's the irony is you using that gif. Even more ironic when you consider that Metroid's atmosphere was heavily influenced by Alien.
The Xtortionist
Member
VideoMan said:
Other M - Samus has her power suit and is authorized to use the fucking plasma beam
Alien 3 - Ripley is unarmed and cornered
Different situations, people. I honestly have no idea how they can be compared.
The Xtortionist said:
Doesn't make sense in Alien 3 either, she was unarmed and cornered with the Queen in Aliens and she didn't act like that. Then in the space ship after they all think it's over and they are safe and sound the Queen gets out of the ship and tears Bishop in half and Ripley still doesn't lose her composure.
Ripleys parents weren't brutally murdered before her eyes by a flying space dragon at age 3 who later suggested that he may have eaten her mother later either. The most personal the xenomorphs got were killing Newt and her cat. It doesnt matter if you're armed, PTSD is invasive.The Xtortionist said:
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Jin34 said:
Ripley had the flamethrower pointed directly at the Queen's children, so she could get the girl back. None of the Queen's guards did anything to Ripley, because they were ordered not to. If Ripley didn't have a gun, she would have died instantly...like everyone else.
On the spaceship, she didn't have a choice. She didn't fight it hand to hand, she used the power loader. They all would have died otherwise.
The Aliens comparison doesn't work...at all. Not even with Resurrection. Nobody outside of Predator looked that close in an aliens mouth and survived, throughout all of the Alien films...
Samus has the equivalents to nuclear weapons and makes Ridley look hella free at all times. It makes no sense.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Especially after you've killed the space dinosaur 7 times. It's the 8th time that makes it scary!RagnarokX said:
autobzooty
Member
blood pressure rising, shouldn't have entered this thread
The Xtortionist
Member
Freshmaker said:
Ridley's actually pretty smart. He kept coming back because he knew that eventually Samus would have a PTSD episode and become vulnerable. Though he didn't account for the blinding majestic fury of the one they call Manthony to save the day.
Prime games were pretty much taken out of the picture. Samus "killed" Ridley once before Super. She knew Ridley was still alive in ZM and knew he could revive in SM. She obliterated the planet his body was on in SM.Freshmaker said:
And she wasn't afraid. She was having a pervasive flashback. When she snapped out of it she proceeded to kick Ridley's ass.
Chet Rippo
Member
Ridley Robot at the end of Zero Mission isn't Ridley.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Only after she got Anthony killed. (From her perspective at least.) Before that she was cool with the whole go ly dwn thing.RagnarokX said:
I can sorta see what Sakamoto was going for with that scene. It's just that he'd already done the subverted apotheosis bit in Super Metroid, and done it better. Having the interactive experience that all your powers and abilities aren't enough to take down Mother Brain is a damn sight better than watching a cinema that attempts to communicate some sort of psychic vulnerability. It feels like the game is lying to you, because what you are shown in a cut-scene directly contradicts the power progression you experience in terms of the mechanics. It also makes everything that happens after that point feel anti-climactic.
When people object that PTSD is "out of character" for Samus, a popular rebuttal is that she didn't really have any characterization for this to conflict with. This ignores the fact that Retro spent three games playing the vulnerability->apotheosis arc completely straight and with great emphasis. Other M seems completely ignorant of this, which is fine. It just means that Metroid and Metroid Prime are different series and different versions of Samus. Nintendo's marketing can't be arsed to admit this, but I think it's the only viable interpretation.
When people object that PTSD is "out of character" for Samus, a popular rebuttal is that she didn't really have any characterization for this to conflict with. This ignores the fact that Retro spent three games playing the vulnerability->apotheosis arc completely straight and with great emphasis. Other M seems completely ignorant of this, which is fine. It just means that Metroid and Metroid Prime are different series and different versions of Samus. Nintendo's marketing can't be arsed to admit this, but I think it's the only viable interpretation.
VideoMan
30% Failure Rate
I don't ever remember people complaining about that scene in particular, or anyone being offended at all that Ripley might show fear. Alien 3 had all sorts of problems but that was never one of them.Jin34 said:
And let me just say this now. My opinion is that Metroid Other M is the worst mainline Metroid game (Hunters was worse but I don't consider that a mainline Metroid game). Too linear, clunky detective mode segments, bad dialog and bad voice acting.
The only thing i think we actually disagree on is Samus' reaction to seeing Ridley. I like the idea of a video game character having human-like emotions instead of all the one dimensional machismo bullshit that plagues the gaming industry. In movies having more complex characters are applauded. In video games it's apparently an abomination. That was kind of the point I was trying to make when I posted the Alien gif.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Only good part of Other M was the cinematic rendering of Super Metroid's ending. Solid GIF, brother.
I'm all for a Metroid reboot. Too bad Retro is off doing other stuff at the moment, they were a perfect fit for the series.
I'm all for a Metroid reboot. Too bad Retro is off doing other stuff at the moment, they were a perfect fit for the series.
So if this is where we're talking about Other M today, I want to say that the thing that bothers me about the story is that Samus doesn't actually do anything that resolves the situation. She runs around and kills monsters and talks to people, but all the stuff that actually saves the day at the end is done by other people.
Think about it. Someone else takes care of the problem in Sector Zero. Someone else stops the bottle ship from endangering Federation space. Someone else stops the main antagonist. Someone else deals with the traitor.
Think about it. Someone else takes care of the problem in Sector Zero. Someone else stops the bottle ship from endangering Federation space. Someone else stops the main antagonist. Someone else deals with the traitor.
donkey show
Member
He is truly the Other M.The Xtortionist said:
In response to the, "But PTSD could come back at any time, you don't even know!" defense of the Ridley scene:
Okay. Even if we are going to ignore the fact that it's completely retarded and out of character for Samus, who has regularly fought building-sized creatures throughout her whole life, and in particular, has already killed Ridley only to see him come back to life again like half a dozen times already.
Let's just ignore all that. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that this Samus freezing up at the sight of Ridley is in any way a reasonable event.
It was still pulled off extremely poorly. It was poorly shot, overly long and melodramatic (just like pretty much everything else in the game), and Samus's whiny voice actor didn't do it any favors at all.
It also needs to be mentioned that the entire point of the cutscene - that Samus is recalling the time Space Pirates invaded her colony and Ridley personally killed her mother in front of her eyes - has never actually been shown or told in-game. ANY game. The only time it's ever been told was in a comic released only in Japan. Unless you're a big enough Metroid fan to have gone out of your way to read or at least read about that comic, the entire context of the cutscene is lost on you. It's just Samus freaking out at a big monster she's already killed like half a dozen times before, and isn't even the biggest monster she's faced.
A competent director would have incorporated this origin story into the game, and he'd have done it in a way that wasn't intrusive to those who already knew it, yet conveyed the necessary information to those who didn't. See, for instance, Batman: Arkham Asylum. How many times has Batman's origin been told and retold throughout the years? Did it really need to be told in the game? Is anyone who doesn't at least know the basics of Batman's origin going to play a Batman game? Probably not. But they did it anyway, and they did it well. They don't dwell on it for too long, but they get across the facts: Batman is Bruce Wayne, his parents were rich, they were killed when he was little, and he used his inherited fortune to become Batman and fight crime.
If I had to redo that cutscene, was forced to retain the same basic events and implications, and wasn't allowed to completely alter the entire game to have something like playable flashbacks, I'd go with something like this:
Samus enters the room, looks around. Ridley appears. Instead of standing there roaring and flailing about for a full minute before even doing anything, he rushes straight at Samus. She has enough time to develop an expression of fear and recognition before he knocks her down.
As she hits the ground, cut to a flashback or her as a child, laying on the ground in a similar shot. The camera zooms out a bit, and all around, we see the destroyed colony of K-2L. Pirate ships flying overhead, bombing the place. Pirates in the distance killing people. Bodies. Whatever it takes to get across that Space Pirates are invading the shit out of this place.
Then she sees Ridley standing over her. Looking at her like a cat with an injured mouse. She's obviously not a threat, and he finds her amusing, but is intending on killing her. Just as he's about to finish her, he's interrupted by being shot. It doesn't damage him, of course, but it annoys him and draws his attention. So he turns to the shooter: Samus's mom.
Samus sees her too, and says, "Mom?" or "Mommy?" We need to establish that this is, in fact, Samus's mom.
Her mom turns to her and just says, "Run."
Then Ridley skewers her with his tail.
As a horrified young Samus looks on, we hear Anthony's voice calling for Samus, starting quiet, slowly growing louder, until Samus finally snaps out of it and we cut back to the present... just in time to see Ridley knock Anthony into the lava.
There. We have Samus showing a moment of fear and loss of control without it looking as stupid as it does in the real thing, because it's mostly off-screen. We have Ridley actually being fearsome and deadly, instead of just standing there and looking scary for literally a full minute before even doing anything. We have some much needed backstory. We have far more information and potentially emotion packed into a cutscene of around the same length, possibly even shorter if directed well.
One thing I do love is Anthony saying, "I think I gotta teach you a lesson about subtlety!" just seconds after one of the least subtle visual metaphors ever. I like to think that wasn't in the original Japanese script, but rather Treehouse tossing in a message to Sakamoto.
Okay. Even if we are going to ignore the fact that it's completely retarded and out of character for Samus, who has regularly fought building-sized creatures throughout her whole life, and in particular, has already killed Ridley only to see him come back to life again like half a dozen times already.
Let's just ignore all that. Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that this Samus freezing up at the sight of Ridley is in any way a reasonable event.
It was still pulled off extremely poorly. It was poorly shot, overly long and melodramatic (just like pretty much everything else in the game), and Samus's whiny voice actor didn't do it any favors at all.
It also needs to be mentioned that the entire point of the cutscene - that Samus is recalling the time Space Pirates invaded her colony and Ridley personally killed her mother in front of her eyes - has never actually been shown or told in-game. ANY game. The only time it's ever been told was in a comic released only in Japan. Unless you're a big enough Metroid fan to have gone out of your way to read or at least read about that comic, the entire context of the cutscene is lost on you. It's just Samus freaking out at a big monster she's already killed like half a dozen times before, and isn't even the biggest monster she's faced.
A competent director would have incorporated this origin story into the game, and he'd have done it in a way that wasn't intrusive to those who already knew it, yet conveyed the necessary information to those who didn't. See, for instance, Batman: Arkham Asylum. How many times has Batman's origin been told and retold throughout the years? Did it really need to be told in the game? Is anyone who doesn't at least know the basics of Batman's origin going to play a Batman game? Probably not. But they did it anyway, and they did it well. They don't dwell on it for too long, but they get across the facts: Batman is Bruce Wayne, his parents were rich, they were killed when he was little, and he used his inherited fortune to become Batman and fight crime.
If I had to redo that cutscene, was forced to retain the same basic events and implications, and wasn't allowed to completely alter the entire game to have something like playable flashbacks, I'd go with something like this:
Samus enters the room, looks around. Ridley appears. Instead of standing there roaring and flailing about for a full minute before even doing anything, he rushes straight at Samus. She has enough time to develop an expression of fear and recognition before he knocks her down.
As she hits the ground, cut to a flashback or her as a child, laying on the ground in a similar shot. The camera zooms out a bit, and all around, we see the destroyed colony of K-2L. Pirate ships flying overhead, bombing the place. Pirates in the distance killing people. Bodies. Whatever it takes to get across that Space Pirates are invading the shit out of this place.
Then she sees Ridley standing over her. Looking at her like a cat with an injured mouse. She's obviously not a threat, and he finds her amusing, but is intending on killing her. Just as he's about to finish her, he's interrupted by being shot. It doesn't damage him, of course, but it annoys him and draws his attention. So he turns to the shooter: Samus's mom.
Samus sees her too, and says, "Mom?" or "Mommy?" We need to establish that this is, in fact, Samus's mom.
Her mom turns to her and just says, "Run."
Then Ridley skewers her with his tail.
As a horrified young Samus looks on, we hear Anthony's voice calling for Samus, starting quiet, slowly growing louder, until Samus finally snaps out of it and we cut back to the present... just in time to see Ridley knock Anthony into the lava.
There. We have Samus showing a moment of fear and loss of control without it looking as stupid as it does in the real thing, because it's mostly off-screen. We have Ridley actually being fearsome and deadly, instead of just standing there and looking scary for literally a full minute before even doing anything. We have some much needed backstory. We have far more information and potentially emotion packed into a cutscene of around the same length, possibly even shorter if directed well.
One thing I do love is Anthony saying, "I think I gotta teach you a lesson about subtlety!" just seconds after one of the least subtle visual metaphors ever. I like to think that wasn't in the original Japanese script, but rather Treehouse tossing in a message to Sakamoto.
I think Sakamoto thought he was being fancy doing it the way he did it, but I agree that a full flashback establishing Samus' history with Ridley would have been best. Or maybe they just didn't want to show Ridley talking and didn't realize they could have just skipped Ridley's lines. I just think people blow the scene way out of proportion. And considering that Other M doesn't make sense with the MP games, she's only fought Ridley in the manga, Zero Mission, and Super Metroid before Other M. I'm sure most people would be happy separating MP from Other M anyway. I think Other M had a good premise with dodgy execution.KevinCow said: