I have the 850c which barely does HDR just like yours (you got the patch right?) Your tv is better than mine so it's gonna look great, mine looks great too, but people with real HDR tvs are gonna love it. I was worried this patched in HDR wasn't gonna be any good, but between this, Gears, and how amazing UHD blu rays have looked, I'm hyped. GIMMIE that PRO.
Yep, getting the exact same results as with TLOU.
Incredibly dull/washed out picture and extremely dim. Same with the XMB menu.
Very disappointing, I feel like it's not working properly.
And yes I've tried virtually every combination of Limited/Full and HDMI level configurations. I spent about 3 hours on this the other night with TLOU.
Try AVS HD 709 if you want proper black and white levels.I just used a calibration video on YouTube for black level and putting it up to 55 made it best but who knows if that's a reliable calibration measure.
I have the 850c and when you are using the rec.709 color space and then using expert 1 to do the 10 point adjustment (I assume you are using a rtings.com calibration guide?) the picture can be calibrated to look correct. However if you are using HDR you'll want the color space to be BT.2020 and you'll want to stray away from Expert 1. Moving my color temperature to neutral and the color space to BT.2020 made a huge difference. From my understand you can't calibrate the BT.2020 color space as it has way too many colors. So using the expert 1 temperature which is calibrated for the rec.709 color space and NOT BT.2020 space is gonna look funny.Anyone have an XBR43X800D? What are the settings you have used? I have the PS4 directly plugged in to HDMI 3 and activated to enhanced to accept 4K signals. HDR is working but I have the black level at 70. Should I use the black adjust and contrast enhancer on? What should the color temperature be, expert 1?
If you have a colorimeter and calibration software, you can calibrate at 50% or 75% saturation since no HDTV is within 100% of BT. 2020 yet.I have the 850c and when you are using the rec.709 color space and then using expert 1 to do the 10 point adjustment (I assume you are using a rtings.com calibration guide?) the picture can be calibrated to look correct. However if you are using HDR you'll want the color space to be BT.2020 and you'll want to stray away from Expert 1. Moving my color temperature to neutral and the color space to BT.2020 made a huge difference. From my understand you can't calibrate the BT.2020 color space as it has way too many colors. So using the expert 1 temperature which is calibrated for the rec.709 color space and NOT BT.2020 space is gonna look funny.
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Yea the in game brightness is the essential tool in all of these post- HDR patches for me. Each time it's made the difference between washed out, too dark, or looking great.
For Deus Ex, had to turn the brightness all the way (or close to it) in order for it to look right.
The Last of Us, all the way down and it STILL looks a bit washed out. I think it's just the game.
Infamous, all the way up otherwise it was just so dark especially on Delsin.
I got the KS8000, the same problem. HDR content look dim and washed out.
Can someone share their HDR Settings for KS8000? I have rtings.com settings btw.
Deus Ex for me on the KS8000 looks fantastic using the settings I posted above (PS4 Full, HDMI Black Level Normal)I'll try that. I had to reset Deus Ex back to normal to get that looking ok.
This is a stupid question, but is your display calibrated? Doesn't sound like it if you're enabling Black Level Enhancer or Dynamic Contrast for example.The people complaining I hadn't tried by-passing the receiver are ignoring the fact the screenshots I posted come straight out of the PS4.
Nonetheless I've now tested directly connecting to the TV and the results are identical. My receiver handles HDR just fine.
Having tested further now the only way I've managed to get anywhere near a decent brightness is by maxing out Dynamic Contrast on the TV. If this is how developers are calibrating their games output they need to document it somewhere.
.I'm aware of the black crush issue and am running on RGB/Full + Black Level High as that's what looks best in this game too, though for this game I also tried the other combinations.
It's nearly 2am here so I'll have to look at removing the receiver from the chain tomorrow. Do you have any links from others where a receive that works otherwise fine with HDR only plays up on PS4 HDR?
Just tried Infamous 2nd Son on my LG Oled 55E6. No problems with crushed blacks here, looks gorgeous!
Literally posted on the last page.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222629887&postcount=224
Deus Ex for me on the KS8000 looks fantastic using the settings I posted above (PS4 Full, HDMI Black Level Normal)
Along with that, set the in-game brightness to 45. The loading pictures of characters will be oversaturated as hell but that's an issue with the game. The HDR implementation in Deus Ex isn't mind blowing but its a nice improvement over the standard game, IMO. Especially during the night time sequences in the hub.
This is a stupid question, but is your display calibrated? Doesn't sound like it if you're enabling Black Level Enhancer or Dynamic Contrast for example.
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If you have a brightness issue, you need to balance your brightness, contrast, and backlight settings appropriately. And if it already is calibrated properly, then it's a limitation of your TV cd/m2.
At nighttime in Infamous, it's so dark as to be unplayable. Daytime seems fine.
Man, HDR should be hype. Instead, it's just a total shitshow. Shit looks dark. Wrong. Washed out. Every game has a different issue.
I got the KS8000, the same problem. HDR content look dim and washed out.
Can someone share their HDR Settings for KS8000? I have rtings.com settings btw.
Last Light patch is live?
First Light and Second Son are both out, yes.
Ooooo, I've got a B6 and can't wait to try this out. What r your settings?
Also, how bad is the lag?
So it's not calibrated then? You never answered the question....my TV is fine. You actually can't raise the brightness on an LG OLED by more than 1-3 points without losing the black level.
Again - look at the PS4 in-game screenshots I posted. this isn't a TV issue, all the TV can do is compensate for what the game is rendering.
The people who are saying this looks fine are most likely using their default TV settings which have Dynamic Contrast on.
And people downplay the importance of dynamic metadata HDR.... this just goes to show how essential it really is for HDR to succeed.I'll try that. I had to reset Deus Ex back to normal to get that looking ok.
At nighttime in Infamous, it's so dark as to be unplayable. Daytime seems fine.
Man, HDR should be hype. Instead, it's just a total shitshow. Shit looks dark. Wrong. Washed out. Every game has a different issue.
Also, for all these people that keep chiming in about game mode/HDR mode. For Samsung there is a FAKE HDR setting called HDR+ to make normal content look HDR in a fake way.
This is NOT to be turned on. The TV will flip to HDR (yes, even in game mode) and say "HDR content is playing" for series 7 and onwards.
And people downplay the importance of dynamic metadata HDR.... this just goes to show how essential it really is for HDR to succeed.
So it's not calibrated then? You never answered the question.
cd/m2 or nits as a possible limitation on your display.
I think it's important to note that HDR presets on TV's are usually designed for movies. For those saying the picture is too dark, I believe your room may be too bright. These settings are usually for watching a film in a darker room - and the detail in the dark spots are definitely there on my KS8000 while gaming, but hard to make out if I try to play during the day with lights on. Might want to play with brightness in those situations.
I'll try that. I had to reset Deus Ex back to normal to get that looking ok.
At nighttime in Infamous, it's so dark as to be unplayable. Daytime seems fine.
Man, HDR should be hype. Instead, it's just a total shitshow. Shit looks dark. Wrong. Washed out. Every game has a different issue.
Also, for all these people that keep chiming in about game mode/HDR mode. For Samsung there is a FAKE HDR setting called HDR+ to make normal content look HDR in a fake way.
This is NOT to be turned on. The TV will flip to HDR (yes, even in game mode) and say "HDR content is playing" for series 7 and onwards.
And people downplay the importance of dynamic metadata HDR.... this just goes to show how essential it really is for HDR to succeed.
Dynamic metadata is expected with HDMI 2.1 right? Gonna wait I think. Seems I'm gonna regret buying a tv now.
Infamous 2nd Son and First Light look perfect over here, even at night.
Probably not EXACTLY the right place for it, but how you liking that TV? I saw the B series just got a price drop, and I'm intrigued.
I think even before with SDR tv output, inFAMOUS' camera autoexposure has always had a tendency to under expose dark areas and not only when there's really bright sources of light to compensate for.
There's a Video - HDR Rendering setting right at the bottom of the options menu, but it enabled automatically at game boot for me.Is there suppose a settings option in game (first light) to turn on HDR such of that of TLOU? Or is it automatic because my Vizio P is not recognizing HDR.
I have color space set to auto shouldn't it default to BT.2020? Also every elitist opinion I've ever heard has said to set color space to warm for a more natural look is this different for HDR? Even that review site said expert 1 was preferred but I guess it's all down to opinion?I have the 850c and when you are using the rec.709 color space and then using expert 1 to do the 10 point adjustment (I assume you are using a rtings.com calibration guide?) the picture can be calibrated to look correct. However if you are using HDR you'll want the color space to be BT.2020 and you'll want to stray away from Expert 1. Moving my color temperature to neutral and the color space to BT.2020 made a huge difference. From my understand you can't calibrate the BT.2020 color space as it has way too many colors. So using the expert 1 temperature which is calibrated for the rec.709 color space and NOT BT.2020 space is gonna look funny.
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It's already been decided that BT. 2020 and SMPTE 2084 are what is being aimed for. Even CalMAN already allows for HDR10 calibration at 50% and 75% saturation sweeps since no TV currently in the market can hit the theoretical 100% needed colorspace for BT. 2020 right now. The problem with just enabling HDR is that if you just enable it, you don't know how it affects your grayscale ramp until you track it yourself especially when UHD 2016 model TVs can barely do 75% of BT. 2020 like the Samsung KS8000 and Sony X800D, so you'll see apparent color clipping when measured if you're calibrating to 100% of BT. 2020. It could have results like crushed blacks in your case or be clipping black and white levels, but you won't know for sure until you measure it. There isn't even a cheap consumer calibration disc for UHD yet like Disney WOW: World of Wonder or the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark and Calibration disc was for Blu-ray.It's calibrated in SDR - there's no 100% agreed upon solution for calibrating HDR yet and I'm willing to use whatever settings make this work for Infamous SS in HDR mode so that question is irrelevant. I have the brightest (nits/cd/m2) HDR capable OLED TV you can get so if they've failed to calibrate the game for this TV the problem is them or the TV manufacturer's tonemapper. We're still so early in this HDR process I'm more than willing to throw LG under the bus for their HDR implementation in general (especially with things like this alleged HDR firmware update happening) - however what I'm talking about is just the game itself at this point as the issue is clearly visible in regular PS4 SDR tonemapped screenshots.
I think so. My set tends to be more on the red side. So warm is too much. I also change my Hue to G2. Neutral looks better to me on my set so I go with that.I have color space set to auto shouldn't it default to BT.2020? Also every elitist opinion I've ever heard has said to set color space to warm for a more natural look is this different for HDR? Even that review site said expert 1 was preferred but I guess it's all down to opinion?
Thanks, I just needed to restart the game. LolThere's a Video - HDR Rendering setting right at the bottom of the options menu, but it enabled automatically at game boot for me.
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Sure. Then it sounds like you're using the default settings and never bothered to calibrate your TV given your previous comment.Thanks, I'm aware of the state of HDR calibration and standards, including LG initially incorrectly calibrating their output to DCI P3 instead of 2020 then fixing it...and even the initial confusion about what the colour gamut setting does on LG OLED in HDR mode when receiving a BT2020 signal. I'm not talking about any of that though and as per my reiterated point re in-game screenshots it's not even part of the equation.
As per my continued point, followup points and other's posts, and even your final "Some things are just intentionally dark" comment - I agree and my point remains - the game is simply too dark and developers need to do better in terms of in game brightness settings, especially when it comes to HDR. I can't think of anything additional at this stage that would add value to this conversation so will leave until something changes.
Nah, it'll be fine.I just bought a ks8000 going by this thread it looks like it may have been a gen too early
Sure. Then it sounds like you're using the default settings and never bothered to calibrate your TV given your previous comment.
I just bought a ks8000 going by this thread it looks like it may have been a gen too early
Thanks, I'm aware of the state of HDR calibration and standards, including LG initially incorrectly calibrating their output to DCI P3 instead of 2020 then fixing it...and even the initial confusion about what the colour gamut setting does on LG OLED in HDR mode when receiving a BT2020 signal. I'm not talking about any of that though and as per my reiterated point re in-game screenshots it's not even part of the equation.
As per my continued point, followup points and other's posts, and even your final "Some things are just intentionally dark" comment - I agree and my point remains - the game is simply too dark and developers need to do better in terms of in game brightness settings, especially when it comes to HDR. I can't think of anything additional at this stage that would add value to this conversation so will leave until something changes.