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Keighley: Epic says UE4 not targeted at Wii U on GTTV, Epic responds [Updated Again]
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Ardenyal
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The more devs have to put work into a port the less likely it is that they will port for that platform. See Wii for reference; there wasn't anything stopping devs from downgrading everything to get a game running on Wii but how many did the leg work there?
mdtauk
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UE3 is provided with Dev Kits (presumably) without additional charge to make it easier and cheaper for Devs to get stuck in, or port assets over.
UE4 is still in development, for unannounced platforms. Now even if UE4 does eventually become compatible or optimised for the Wii U's hardware. Nintendo need not license it on behalf of the developers.
Which means it is down to Epic to make it compatible, and it is down to devs to purchase a license for it.
UE4 is still in development, for unannounced platforms. Now even if UE4 does eventually become compatible or optimised for the Wii U's hardware. Nintendo need not license it on behalf of the developers.
Which means it is down to Epic to make it compatible, and it is down to devs to purchase a license for it.
Im pretty confident that optimalisation of the development proces can decrease cost by a thirth.
I dont know if the gamesindustry has specific guidelines but untill the previous generation, lots of devs probably had too much luxury doing things their way causing third party bankruptcies and first party GT5s and last guardians.
Somebody buy these guys a book about kaizen and lean management.
Horse Armour
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Someone find the video Geoff is talking about.
GhostTrick
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Father_Brain
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CVG asked Epic and got the same "not commenting on UE4 platforms beyond PC" line, for what it's worth.
As explained a dozen of times already, there is the difference between porting the whole game down to a different engine with most different assets and different everything (which is what happened with the Wii) and just setting "sliders" from "very high" to "medium" (which is what would happen if they finally port UE4 to WiiU, even if it's with some compromises). For example, if you take Resident Evil 5 PC and set every setting to the lowest setting, it would look even worse than the average A title on Wii but they didn't port the game because even if it was technically feasible, they would had to build everything mostly from scratch.
excaliburps
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This goes well with that.
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...-says-it-has-not-declared-its-wii-u-strategy/
So, not really a confirmation and not a denial either. I'm guessing Epic is trying to wash its hands from all this somehow?
In Geoff saying that, does this still mean Wii U can't run UE4? As someone above me has said, "targeted" and "can't" are two very different things.
When you think about it, Capps saying Wii U is more in line with UE3, makes me think UE4 isn't suited to it at all.
Unless Nintendo announces a few games that run on the tech, people will believe Wii U can't run UE4.
Father_Brain
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It ain't on the GTTV site. Oddly, I can't find any GDC interviews with Capps done by other outlets, either.
mdtauk
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The Wii's "perceived" audience, and the vastly different control scheme I think had more to do with the lack of support, as well as the successful Nintendo made titles, which would put others to shame - erm, I mean... would make it more difficult to market third-party titles and give them breathing room.
It's at times like this that I think it's worth breaking out the Doom 3 on Voodoo 2 screenshots!
Edit: Actually, can someone *do* that with RE5 PC or a similar title?
Horse Armour
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Strange. Can you elaborate Geoff? Was the interview cut for time or due to an NDA by Nintendo?
If anything more recent news seems to giving serious hope that UE4 will be at least Wii U compatible. Plus for all we know the next systems from Microsoft/Sony only outpace the Wii U as much as the GC and Xbox did over the PS2: definitely better at graphics, but not by so much as to be shafted on games at all.
I Stalk Alone
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He probably will not be anle to answer that question in that form if true. Maybe take out the last two words.
Horse Armour
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I doubt that he would have made that post referencing the interview if he was unable to talk in more detail about it which includes the reason why it was never shown.
Geoffington, I just hope that strong-fist Reggie will not tear you apart in your planned interview because of that tweet :/
tinfoilhatman
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Epic shocker...........
it means we dunno.
Opus Angelorum
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That to me suggests UE4 is not designed for that hardware.
That target's likely the consoles they WANT developed, whether or not they are, so yes, it's back to not being ruled out entirely.
Hot Coldman
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Pretty much. Like I said, Epic don't target Nintendo because they can't know them. Epic is probably still figuring out whether or not UE4 has a chance at all of running on Wii U or not.
But you're better off predicting it won't, if anything.
soxinthebox
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Screw this back and forth nonsense. The path to acceptance goes one way guys.
joshwaan
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I care more about the Wii U not being abandoned by third parties like last generation.
Though, I was personally hoping the vast gulf plus controller would encourage more original development, rather than the port situation reaching the boiling point where basically every worthwhile third party game was for both PS3 and 360. Unless it were Japanese, then it MIGHT be exclusive. Actually, we did get some original stuff on the Wii, but it was either weak or a rail shooter.
Father_Brain
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Smiles and Cries
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I believe this would be bad PR for the "scalability" bullet point, I'm going to enjoy watching this play out
This is the most likely explanation; I can't imagine that Epic is too happy with such a declaration, even if it is most likely true.
And nothing's going to be fully clear until games are out and hard specs are revealed. Wii U could be the Wii all over again, a stop gap console like the Dreamcast, or it could be more like the PS2 in that it's weaker, but not by enough to be rationally excluded most of the time. I don't think we'll really know for a few years yet.
Thanks for the update.
So UE4 is bascially Schroedinger's cat
Given that Nintendo is aware they need as much Middleware as possible up and running if they want to recover the core/enthusiast market, I would be extremely surprised if finally UE4 is not ported one way or another, especially with such a standard architecture (and the supposed scalability, as stated above). Not having my hopes up (in fact, I don't give a fuck about western development on consoles, I have a capable PC for that though I wouldn't mind buying stuff on WiiU instead of PC if it offers something different) but just offering some common sense insight.
Smiles and Cries
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even when the WiiU is known to be a weaker hardware than the upcoming consoles you don't toot scalability and then snub the New Hot toy for the holiday... its just not good PR. I don't think they are really enjoying being put in this position
Fredrik
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But why else would they come out and say that nothing besides PC has been confirmed yet?
I Stalk Alone
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It just means that special guy has no billy goats gruff to eat. That guy is fiendin for gruffs.
Seriously though even if WiiU got UE4 we will have the same people who are saying it is a failure now saying something else they see the console continue to being a failure in their eyes regardless of any positive news or contradiction to their beliefs.
Because they want to keep their official confirmation for E3(or even later if its still unsure)? Even if it only means the next-gen consoles from Sony & Microsoft gets it.
AwakenedCloud
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Because that's what they've been saying from the start.
LunaticHigh
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I think it really depends on just how much collaboration occurred between sony/MS and Epic.
It's possible that they made modifications or considerations in their platform architecture to better support UE4 and thus Epic will probably not have UE4 ready for other platforms, specifically the Wii-U on launch.
At it's heart, UE is a multiplatform multi-purpose engine. UE3 ran on an iPad, it would be ludicrous to think that UE4 wouldn't in at least some form run on the WiiU. It's obvious the Wii-U is going to be vastly outclassed by those consoles in terms of tech, but I don't think we'll see a a wii->PS3/360 sized gap simply because that would result in the ps3/360 costing far too much money.
I think there might be some truth to it, but only initially.
If the PS4/360-next are really that much more powerful than the Wii-U, get ready to drop 599 USD again.
It's possible that they made modifications or considerations in their platform architecture to better support UE4 and thus Epic will probably not have UE4 ready for other platforms, specifically the Wii-U on launch.
At it's heart, UE is a multiplatform multi-purpose engine. UE3 ran on an iPad, it would be ludicrous to think that UE4 wouldn't in at least some form run on the WiiU. It's obvious the Wii-U is going to be vastly outclassed by those consoles in terms of tech, but I don't think we'll see a a wii->PS3/360 sized gap simply because that would result in the ps3/360 costing far too much money.
I think there might be some truth to it, but only initially.
If the PS4/360-next are really that much more powerful than the Wii-U, get ready to drop 599 USD again.
Epic might be under NDA, which means they legally aren't allowed to confirm or deny much of anything about the system at this time.